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blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Yeah anyone with flashy bitz, ahaha great now everyone's up for grabs. CURSE YOU GW

Not anyone. Someone who's abnormally tall, probably taller than a marine, and wears power armour. Which limits it to particularly tall Marines, Custodes, Primarchs and possibly a few other things. I'm a Xenos guy, and not too well versed on the various complex orders and such of the Imperium.

What about the Sanguinor. He is basically a huge flashy bit?

TheAngrySquig wrote:What about the Sanguinor. He is basically a huge flashy bit?

Except he's capable of showing up in battle, so there's a near 0% chance it's him trapped in Trazyn's collection.

Okay fine then let me be more clear then, it could be anyone but that anyone must be a giant in baroque armour....

Great, back at square one


OOP, and with the Sanguinor comment, that anyone also has to be someone that doesn't reappear every once in a while. I think that's covered most of my bases

There is no chance of Trayzn having something to block him teleporting like a simple stasis field? Seems unlikely

Yup. ^ _ ^

I'm liking the Fulgrim theory now that people have mentioned it. Though as a Chaos Primarch, wouldn't he be all daemonic and stuff? I'd assume it'd be mentioned if he had giant horns and tentacles erupting from his stomach.

Dytalus wrote:Yup. ^ _ ^

I'm liking the Fulgrim theory now that people have mentioned it. Though as a Chaos Primarch, wouldn't he be all daemonic and stuff? I'd assume it'd be mentioned if he had giant horns and tentacles erupting from his stomach.

True, but that's the daemon incontrol of Fulgrim's body that has all dem tentacles and stuff.

Fulgrim is entombed in a painting well a snake-demon controls his body

There are only two ways a Daemon can be bound to the material realm. Neither of these ways work with the story.

But he's a daemon prince. He's not full daemon, so wouldn't it be easier for them to come into the material world?

Vulkan is still the best fit.

He was huge - the second biggest of the primarchs. He wore armour he crafted himself, and liked good craftsmanship. He went off on his own and was never seen again, so it's not unlikely that he found Trazyns tomb world and got captured.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:But he's a daemon prince. He's not full daemon, so wouldn't it be easier for them to come into the material world?

Same rules apply. Either he stores the Daemon in a Tesseract Labirynth, which means there's no body or screaming face, or he binds the Daemon using sorcery, which the Necrons cannot comprehend.

So daemon princes are right out?

not out, but way too much of a stretch when there are easier candidates like Vulkan and Corax.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So daemon princes are right out?

For the Necrons, yes. They're the stuff of the Warp now, a realm the simply cannot understand.

Grey Templar wrote:not out, but way too much of a stretch when there are easier candidates like Vulkan and Corax.

iproxtaco wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:So daemon princes are right out?

For the Necrons, yes. They're the stuff of the Warp now, a realm the simply cannot understand.

Great, I'm beginning to think GW is trying really hard to be mysterious here.... It's beginning to look a lot like primarchs...

It almost definitely is a primarch, just makes more sense then a run of the mill SM

Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

TheAngrySquig wrote:It almost definitely is a primarch, just makes more sense then a run of the mill SM

We don't even know if it is an SM.
Though it would also make sense for it to be a Thunder Warrior...
They were the precursor to the SM. The instrument to create one of the biggest and most viscious galactic empires. They were the first of the Emperor's creations...

But they were just humans right, not super huge

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

TheAngrySquig wrote:But they were just humans right, not super huge

Try Again BRagg was a normal human. He was massive...
Whose to say that a Terran warrior wasn't a similar size to an SM...

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

Night Haunter is also an XBAWKS HUGE psyker, more then capable of leaving a legion he no longer has any faith in and giving them a vision to make it seem like he was dead so they wouldn't look for him

TheAngrySquig wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

Night Haunter is also an XBAWKS HUGE psyker, more then capable of leaving a legion he no longer has any faith in and giving them a vision to make it seem like he was dead so they wouldn't look for him

I'm not sure, but i'm sensing a little sarcasm.... just a little

No sarcasm, he was a great psyker, especially with visions and he hated his legion because it had become the filth he destroyed on Nostramo


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I won't deny that you are sensing a bit of Kurze fanboyism however

Still doesn't explain the head that the assassin took, I don't think he's that great of a psyker

The assassin was a plant by Kurze and the head was cloned, more than plausible in the 41st millennium. And iirc, he was the 3rd or fourth best psyker after Lorgar and Magnus and maybe Sangy

TheAngrySquig wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

Night Haunter is also an XBAWKS HUGE psyker, more then capable of leaving a legion he no longer has any faith in and giving them a vision to make it seem like he was dead so they wouldn't look for him

If he wanted to do that he would have done a 180 with his legion and thrown himself on the mercy of the Imperium(specifically his brothers Dorn and Roboute)

He is officially dead and is not an option. No indication is given that he faked his death.

So it's like another, he'll be back on doomsday thing all over again?

I'm still not buying it


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Grey Templar wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

Night Haunter is also an XBAWKS HUGE psyker, more then capable of leaving a legion he no longer has any faith in and giving them a vision to make it seem like he was dead so they wouldn't look for him

If he wanted to do that he would have done a 180 with his legion and thrown himself on the mercy of the Imperium(specifically his brothers Dorn and Roboute)

He is officially dead and is not an option. No indication is given that he faked his death.

Didn't he want to die as well?

Grey Templar wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Scratch out Alpha/Omegon, he/they wore the same armor as the rest of their chapter, that kind of rules him/them out as a possibility, because it wouldn't fit the key word of 'baroque'

I'm leaning towards Night Haunter personally (and he's not dead, no kill was ever confirmed, no body was ever recovered, nor was the supposed assassin ever found...)

I'm 99% sure its not vulkan though, he disappeared of his own volition to test his chapter. Besides that, 'baroque' wouldn't fit his armor I don't think. He was a master craftsmen, his armor is well buiilt, not necessarily intricate and ornate (in fact as I recall his armor itself was relatively plain compared to most primarchs, barring alpharius/omegon), its something to do with the overall mindset of the Salamanders and how they are humble, etc.

Night Haunter is dead, he was killed and had his head lopped off, the entire legion saw it, but under orders from the Night Haunter himself they were told not to pursue. Except Soul Hunter

Read through the Night Lords novels, the assassin was found, and she is very much dead

Night Haunter is also an XBAWKS HUGE psyker, more then capable of leaving a legion he no longer has any faith in and giving them a vision to make it seem like he was dead so they wouldn't look for him

If he wanted to do that he would have done a 180 with his legion and thrown himself on the mercy of the Imperium(specifically his brothers Dorn and Roboute)

He is officially dead and is not an option. No indication is given that he faked his death.

Why would he have just submitted to his brothers? He also hated his legion and didn't want to have anything to do with them. And while there is nothing to say it officially, I really like Kurze and my theory isn't that far fetched. It doesn't even have to be a clone, it could just be a legionaire that looks alot like him, Alfy pulled it off