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I have been wondering this for a while. In Codex: Necrons there is a description about Trazyn's collection.

...his collection includes the fabled Wraithbone choir of Altansar, the preserved head of Sebastian Thor, the ossified husk of an Enslaver, and a giant of a man wearing baroque Power Armour, his face contorted in a permanent scream-to name but a few.

Now, it could just be any regular Space Marine, but I doubt an ordinary "item" like that would be worth a special mention. Furthermore, it is revealed that he probably has hundreds of them in his war-galleries. This encourages the possibilty that it could be a Primarch, since they were considerably larger than average Space Marines and wore more ornamental Power Armor. But who could it be? I came up with many different possibilties.

First of all, it could be Jaghtai Khan. He disappeared into the Webway while fighting Dark Eldar. They torture their victims, so that could explain his screaming face.

Or, it could be Corax or Vulkan, who were lost into the Warp.

Ferrus Manus is unlikely, since he has no head left.

What do you think? Lets have some wild speculation!

Robot Gorillaman.

Handless dorn?

That would be hilarious..

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Handless dorn?

Nope, the IF have his remains encased in amber.

I half-knew that

Maybe Alhpy/Omeggy

Could be an Inquisitor.
Could be one of the Original marines from the unification or the GC...
It being a Primarch... it just sounds silly to me...

BrainDeleted wrote:Robot Gorillaman.

Yeah, could be Rowboat.

Trazyn did the ol' switcheroo.

Skarwael wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:Robot Gorillaman.

Yeah, could be Rowboat.

Trazyn did the ol' switcheroo.

Yeah. Its actually Alpharius spying on the smurfs in the 'stasis' chamber.

What color is baroque anyway?

N.
relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.

Well that was awkward...
It doesn't really sound like any of the descriptions of the Loyalist Primarch or their armour...

Your taking the description a tad literally, in this context baroque means highly decorative or ornate (as in its a style rather than a colour) which pretty much describes the power armour of any high ranking Imperial leader from a Primarch to a Chapter Master right down to an Inquisitor or a highly decorated squad leader.

Its clearly Draigo >.>

In seriousness, powerguy hit it on the head, but I also think baroque is being used to describe something older. As in "highly decorative or ornate (as in its a style rather than a colour) and coming from an older generation"

Giant of a man in fancy PA clearly implies its a Primarch. otherwise they would just say "some space marine or random dude from the heresy"


As to which primarch, Russ and Khan are out. They were last seen entering the EoT and Webway respectivly, 2 areas the Crons don't have access to. Not to mention its heavily implied that Vect is holding Khan prisoner.

it could be Vulkan, Corax, or Alpharus/Omegon as all 3 are 'avaliable' as in their location is unknown and is within the grasp of the Necrons.

Roboute is a farfetched, but hilarious, possability. not outside of the abilities of Trazyn, and its something he would do. he is abit of a troll after all and it would be downright funny if he had the real Roboute and the Ultramarines had a replica.

Vulkan was not lost in the Warp.
He is just MIA

forruner_mercy wrote:Vulkan was not lost in the Warp.
He is just MIA

So is Corax every other spartan.
Same with Master Chief and Noble 1,2,3,4,5,6
Wait wrong universe.

The Giant Man is most likely Vulkan.

Asherian Command wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:Vulkan was not lost in the Warp.
He is just MIA

So is Corax every other spartan.
Same with Master Chief and Noble 1,2,3,4,5,6
Wait wrong universe.

The Giant Man is most likely Vulkan.

That was just so the OP knows he was not lost in the Warp.

The giant man could also be other Primarchs, so I think saying it is "most likely" Vulkan is the wrong term.

It's open ended so eventually Black Library can a jimmy out a book or 5 on Necrons. In all fairness, a series of books on Trazyn's whacky, zaney adventures wouldn't be such a bad idea and would iron out the lameness of Necrons.

gaunt's ghosts v.2

Grey Templar wrote:As to which primarch, Russ and Khan are out. They were last seen entering the EoT and Webway respectivly, 2 areas the Crons don't have access to. Not to mention its heavily implied that Vect is holding Khan prisoner.

Well, the Necrons do have access to the Webway with the Dolmen Gates, and that's besides the fact that Khan could have found his way out of the Webway onto some random world. I've never read anything implying that Vect holds Khan prisoner, care to elaborate?

Also, any important Astartes, Inquisitor or even an Imperial Guard commander (such as Macharius. Although I do hope that that's not the case (although it would be an interesting way to bring him back.)) would fit the bill. Or anyone, really, but it would probably be someone important (remember, Trazyn isn't that picky. If he can't get the original, he does settle for something less).

Not only is most likely the wrong term, its the opposite term of what you would want to use. Of the possibilities, he is the least likely! Vulkan disappeared intentionally, he is in hiding in accordance with a prophecy, etc.
Khan, Russ, Corax, Night Haunter or one of the two unknowns are the most likely options.

Khan is somewhat unlikely given the fact that it is hinted he's Vect's plaything, though his presence in the webway does not preclude him from becoming a Necron prisoner (new fluff and all)

Russ is a possibility as well, to the best of my understanding, the warp is no longer inaccessible to the Necrons, just unnavigable due to a lack of psychic ability, so the crons could very well enter the EoT, but getting out of it might be an issue...

Corax is a ditto, we dont even know if he made it to the EoT...

Night Haunter is believed dead, but the kill is unconfirmed...

and the unknowns are unknowns

Dorn is a possibility as well I suppose, but I think when they recovered his hand (in the retconned fluff) his weapons and armor were with it, so thats an unlikely possibility as well.

Hell for all we know, its Horus himself, pulled from his destruction at the hands of the Emperor at the very last moment...

or hell, maybe its the Emperor himself, and what the IoM thought was the Emperor was just an elaborate ruse ;P

Khan seems most likely. Necrons access the webway. Khan disappeared into the webway.

ph34r wrote:Khan seems most likely. Necrons access the webway. Khan disappeared into the webway.

Except Vect's fluff heavily implies he has a Primarch, of which Khan is the most likely candidate as every other possability is a stretch too far. Just like the Trazyn going into the Warp or Web way just to collect a trinket, Trazyn is a little excentric, but he isn't stupid. he won't do something that is worth more trouble then the rewards.

besides, if it was Khan then he would probably also have his bike which would be worth mentioning.

It could be a Custode or perhaps Garro himself?

As a side note, I really enjoyed the short piece of fluff where Trazyn gave "gift" of a tesseract labyrinth to Inquisitor Valeria.

Last night I was playing against a friend who was playing GK, and I was looking at the inquisitors section, and realized that she has, as an equipment choice, a tesseract labyrinth. Looks like she possessed the intellect to escape it, after all.

Grey Templar wrote:Not to mention its heavily implied that Vect is holding Khan prisoner

could you quote the passage...DE codex I assume


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ph34r wrote:Necrons access the webway

they do? have a quote?

The do access the Webway it is the new codex. It was referenced in the fluff.

Page 7 mentions it during the end of the war in heaven and page 8 describes the Dolmen Gates and how they force open gateways into the web way. However, the web way is able to detect such intrusions so Necron units must move through them quickly or be lost in the warp.

Yes. Necrons have access to the Webway, as NecronLord3 kindly explained.

Those guys who were lost in the Warp (Russ, Corax, Dorn) are out of the game. And so are those who are under strict protection, like Girlyman and Jonson.

But as of now, Khan, Vulkan and Alpharius Omegon are the most likely Primarch candidates.

It could also be possible, that he has some surprising character, such as Sanguinius, one of the unknown Primarchs or even Horus.

Horus is impossible. The Emperor exploded him.


Considering that he somehow has the head of Sebastian Thor, which one would think would be fairly heavily guarded, it's not that big of a stretch to think that he got Guilliman and the Ultramarines are too ashamed to admit it. Though considering that Ward wrote the codex, it's unlikely.

Bit of a crackpot theory here:

What if the man isn't a real man at all? What if he's a painting of a man in baroque armour, a painting that has the face in an eternal scream because it's the one Fulgrim's soul is inside?

Tengri wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Not to mention its heavily implied that Vect is holding Khan prisoner

could you quote the passage...DE codex I assume

I don't think it was in the DE codex, but I'll check. I believe this piece of fluff predates the DE codex 5th ed.

As for the primarch in Trazyn's possession, we know the location of most primarchs, so let's just stick with the MIA ones.

So far, the MIA primarchs are as follows:
-Vulkan
-Russ
-Corax
-Alpharius (or Omegon, depending on the one that survived the ultramarines)
-Khan

Russ and Corax were last seen heading for the EoT, and if there is one place in the entire galaxy where the necrons don't tread, that's the EoT.
Khan Was last seen entering a portal leading to the portion of the webway controlled by DE. he is rumored to be still held captive by the DE for their cruel arena games.
As for Alpharius/Omegon, I don't see how a crazy space robot scientist could ever capture a primarch specialized into covert operations and secrecy.

So Vulkan seems to be the most likely IMO.

All the other primarchs are either fooling around in the EoT or dead/held in stasis/kept in amber/decapitated.