40k FAQS amended. Again. Inc. Necrons. GW "what's new today" shiny and new as well.

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**Cryage**

Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

**puma713**

Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

**agnosto**

Am I the only one that noticed that Tau and Black Templar are the only armies without updates? Lends credence to the rumors that they're the next two updates.

**swampyturtle**

Q: Can Ministorum Priests or Techpriest Enginseers be
taken as the mandatory HQ choice? (p93)
A: Yes.

OMG, i forsee alot of Ad mech and ministorum priest leaders hitting the field in place of the Lord commissar or CCS. That is really cool that a ruling like that has been done and allows for more flavor to IG

**Brothererekose**

Riddick40k wrote:Both Eldar and Dark Eldar just got royally

I agree with rodgers37 and Puma13 is totally right. I've been playing DE all last year (successfully) and we came to these same conclusions easily enough, for the reasons Puma stated. This doesn't change anything for my wyches.

Non-segue:
Scarab Farms dry up and blow away like an Okie's Homestead in 1933. I can hear swearing worldwide from the guys that gobbled up scarabs and Tomb Spiders from ebay.

**Swara**

puma713 wrote:
Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

You can't? I'm looking over it, but I'm not seeing it.

**whigwam**

Swara wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

You can't? I'm looking over it, but I'm not seeing it.

40k Rulebook FAQ wrote:Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.

Looks like psychic powers still work from fire points however.

**puma713**

Swara wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

You can't? I'm looking over it, but I'm not seeing it.

You can't use abilities that need LoS if you must draw it from a vehicle's firepoint. Even though the Command Barge is open-topped, its hull is still considered a "firepoint", otherwise, a model wouldn't be able to fire from it. Hence, he cannot draw LoS from a firepoint for the ability to work.

**Clauss**

Oh wow..that slight nerf to anrakyr may just change my list drastically then... If he really cant do it under this new FAQ. Which seems logically correct based on your guys analysis.

**Blackgaze**

Usually GW FAQs answer some of the most simple questions.

But what was the final answer over Trazen's special weapon ability being used in a command barge? He can't?

Also sorry if I misread the ark rules in the codex and FAQ. But if an ark is targetted at a squad of +2 models, do you measure 6' from all the models (since you can't pinpoint one)

**Swara**

whigwam wrote:
Swara wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

You can't? I'm looking over it, but I'm not seeing it.

40k Rulebook FAQ wrote:Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No.

Looks like psychic powers still work from fire points however.

Indeed. I guess you could still move 12, get out, then use it.... but it's just not the same

.

This changes my list.

**Death By Monkeys**

Dude, read the rulebook, guys. Nowhere in the rules for Open-Topped Transport Vehicles does it say that the hull is a fire point.

BRB wrote:Open-topped vehicles do not have specific fire points. Instead, all passengers in an open-topped vehicle may fire, measuring range and line of sight from the hull of the vehicle...

Doesn't say anything about it being a fire point. So you can still do all your LOS shenanigans from an open-topped transport.

**puma713**

Death By Monkeys wrote:Dude, read the rulebook, guys. Nowhere in the rules for Open-Topped Transport Vehicles does it say that the hull is a fire point.

BRB wrote:Open-topped vehicles do not have specific fire points. Instead, all passengers in an open-topped vehicle may fire, measuring range and line of sight from the hull of the vehicle...

Doesn't say anything about it being a fire point. So you can still do all your LOS shenanigans from an open-topped transport.

From the YMDC thread about this (since we don't want to derail the FAQ thread)

puma713 wrote:
time wizard wrote:

Page 66 defines fire points, and page 70 talks about open-topped vehicles.
Even though open-topped vehicles don't have specific fire points, the rule states that when the passengers fire, range and LOS are measured from the hull.
So for an open-topped vehicle, the fire point is anywhere on the hull.

Right. And that's the point. That it is a firepoint. So, Anrakyr cannot use his ability because to do so, he'd have to draw LOS from a firepoint - the hull, in this case.

**daedalus**

I want to say upfront that I'm sorry:

Q: How do dice rolls that can trigger an effect from a
special rule (such as rolling a 1 To Hit when shooting a
weapon with the Gets Hot! special rule) interact with
re-rolls? (p2)
A: You only check to see if the effect has been
triggered after the re-rolls have been made.

So then, for Summary Execution, you get a re-roll for failing a Morale check (dice roll that triggers an effect from a special rule), but only after you've failed it. You then kill a Sarge, and make your re-roll. If you pass the reroll, the effect from the special rule never took place, so your Sarge isn't dead after all, and you are your own grandfather, all because of space-time paradox?

**Lolcanoe**

Poor poor Chaos. Whats good in our book now? Plague Marines and melta guns, got it. Glad I bought the Blood Angels codex, cause now its proxy time.

**kirsanth**

The Tyranid bits are oddly satisfying.

Warptime . . . yep. I will just move on.
hehe

**Death By Monkeys**

I stand corrected - thanks Puma713.

**drorain**

So the impaler cannon bit on ignoring cover saves, given that language, it now ignores KFF saves?

**NuggzTheNinja**

Psyker Battle Squads took a hit, with not being able to cast Weaken Resolve from vehicles. Stupid change, but it's balanced by the fact that you can do it into CC. Sort of insignificant, however, as Guardsmen rarely win CC.

They still haven't given a ruling on how the Manticore works. Is it multiple barrage when firing indirectly? RAW not at all, but some TOs arbitrarily demand that it is played this way.

**puma713**

drorain wrote:So the impaler cannon bit on ignoring cover saves, given that language, it now ignores KFF saves?

Actually the FAQ only says 'Wounds'. So if you want to get RAW, then any vehicle cover saves still apply.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Psyker Battle Squads took a hit, with not being able to cast Weaken Resolve from vehicles. Stupid change, but it's balanced by the fact that you can do it into CC. Sort of insignificant, however, as Guardsmen rarely win CC.

Psychic powers aren't affected. The FAQ ruling states special rules or wargear. Also:

Games Workshop Rulebook FAQ wrote:Q: Can a model use a psychic power that is not a
Psychic Shooting Attack if it is embarked in a transport
vehicle? (p50)
A: Yes. If the power requires line of sight, this is still
worked out from the vehicle’s fire points (this will
count as one model shooting through that fire point if
the power is used in the Shooting phase).
If the psychic power does not require line of sight and
has a range or an area of effect that is normally
measured from the model using it, these are measured
from the vehicle’s hull, as explained in the Embarking
section on page 66.

**drorain**

thats bloody brilliant

**Cryage**

***EDIT**

See my questionw as already discussed

**puma713**

Cryage wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Cryage wrote:Quite happy about the necron FAQ except for the whip coils on Wraiths.

Oh well

Few folks sour over the fact that you can't Turbo-Boost with Anrakyr and then use MitM, but overall a good FAQ for Necrons.

He can't? Did I miss something? (Sorry only had a chance to glance at the FAQ since im at work and alt tabbing that much is going to give me a seizure lol).

Can you quote where it says it? Not a game breaker , just wanna make reference

Thanks!

Discussion being had here.

**Grundz**

so by this, does this mean creed can outflank an entire infantry platoon?

**Brothererekose**

"Hello, I'm Bob. I'm painted green to be a Nurgle DP, with Warp Time. "

"This is my buddy, Fred. Pink for Slaanesh. He's a Lash Prince. Say, 'hi', Fred."
"Hi."
"We've done a lot of work together as Chaos Space Marine HQs."
"Yeah."

"He'd Lash power armor loyalists to me. Space Puppies. I'd eat 'em. It was cool. Me? I'd use Warp Time and it was kinda like a Matrix style thing, not exactly, but I could see where orks, or smurfs, pups or pretty-boys -- "
"Blood Angels."
" - Heh! Sissies. Yeah, where they were gonna swing at me, and then I'd see another path of Fate, and I'd dodge or smack where he thought he was gonna step. Damn. It was fun."
"Good Times."

...

*sigh*
*sigh*

"Sorry guys, but we are handing in our C:CSM employee badges. Ya know, in this economy, if a better job turns up ... "

"What?" "'Thought so." "Who didn't see this coming?"

"We got a new boss, you see."
"Gonna kinda suck, going from management to heavy lifting. Less pay."
"I'm okay with less responsibility. Let someone else deal with NonHuman Resources. I just wanna hit things."
"Bob, do you think we'll look good in red? I mean it's so over done ...."

"Hey! We wanna come along! Codex CSM was circling the drain anyway! The Chaos Daemon codex is gonna be waay more cool! Furious Charge! Hell blades! Yeah! Hawt!"

"See ya! Wouldn't wanna be ya! Losers!" PBPBPBBth!

"Rats deserting a sinking ship." "Quitters. Douches." Yeah, wait 'til our 6e book comes out! Then you'll come crawling back!"

**NuggzTheNinja**

puma713 wrote:
Psychic powers aren't affected. The FAQ ruling states special rules or wargear.

Thanks for the clarification. Can you give me an example of something that requires this?

**pretre**

That should be an article.

**alphaomega**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Psyker Battle Squads took a hit, with not being able to cast Weaken Resolve from vehicles. Stupid change, but it's balanced by the fact that you can do it into CC. Sort of insignificant, however, as Guardsmen rarely win CC.

They still haven't given a ruling on how the Manticore works. Is it multiple barrage when firing indirectly? RAW not at all, but some TOs arbitrarily demand that it is played this way.

Doesn't it state that the Manticore can only fire indirectly in the codex? Due to being an artillery piece similar to the Griffon etc and having a minimum range, rather than a direct range like the Medusa.

**NuggzTheNinja**

alphaomega wrote:
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Psyker Battle Squads took a hit, with not being able to cast Weaken Resolve from vehicles. Stupid change, but it's balanced by the fact that you can do it into CC. Sort of insignificant, however, as Guardsmen rarely win CC.

They still haven't given a ruling on how the Manticore works. Is it multiple barrage when firing indirectly? RAW not at all, but some TOs arbitrarily demand that it is played this way.

Doesn't it state that the Manticore can only fire indirectly in the codex? Due to being an artillery piece similar to the Griffon etc and having a minimum range, rather than a direct range like the Medusa.

Nope.

**DarknessEternal**

Some psychic shooting attacks require rolls to hit. Some don't. Some psychic attacks which aren't even psychic shooting attacks require rolls to hit.

It's like they had 3 people writing these things and none of them talked to each other.