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puma713 wrote:

Lordhat wrote:

Unfortunately Myopia is one of the worlds most pervasive diseases. I literally jumped for joy when it was finally spelled out for the idiots.

I wasn't trying to be rude. Here's a few threads explaining how it works (before the FAQ):

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/422497.page#3777908

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/413160.page#3614361

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412514.page#3610410 - specifically Kommisar Kel's responses on page 1.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/406338.page#3490440

There are plenty more. . .

Yup. Unfortunately, myopia (in this sense) is usually accompanied by a complete lack of reading comprehension. Until stuff is explained explicitly for the 'Herps and Derps', they usually won't budge. Even more unfortunately, my 'play group' has one such person in charge, and the rest usually just do what he says. The other players who have a firm understanding of the rules eventually just leave the group with a sour taste in thier mouths for 'clubs' go their own ways and leave the scene pretty much permanently. But this is WAY off topic. Sorry for the near thread-jack.

th3maninblak wrote:
I've been rocking my local store with Warptime princes, coming in 2nd at the last 2 tournaments and smashing 5th ed codexes left and right. It truly is the last nail in the coffin for the codex. Truly an awesome day...

Looks like I'm selling them.

Not sure if serious...

@CpatTom: Tau and BT may not have needed updates. I think that it is unlikely that they would have skipped FAQ'ing problem areas just because they are next. Keep in mind that the only real update C:SM and CA got were Combat Squads and a Psychic Power update, neither of which BT have. As for Tau, /shrug.

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:
I've been rocking my local store with Warptime princes, coming in 2nd at the last 2 tournaments and smashing 5th ed codexes left and right. It truly is the last nail in the coffin for the codex. Truly an awesome day...

Looks like I'm selling them.

Not sure if serious...

@CpatTom: Tau and BT may not have needed updates. I think that it is unlikely that they would have skipped FAQ'ing problem areas just because they are next. Keep in mind that the only real update C:SM and CA got were Combat Squads and a Psychic Power update, neither of which BT have. As for Tau, /shrug.

Definitely serious about the selling part.

On the other hand, the necron FAQ does look really good, and like GW listened to peoples interpretations of the rules. They don't hate all non-loyalist armies, it seems. I'm actually kinda suprised at the clarification of Entropic Strike. I honestly thought that would get nerfed, but am glad that it didn't.

th3maninblak wrote:

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:
I've been rocking my local store with Warptime princes, coming in 2nd at the last 2 tournaments and smashing 5th ed codexes left and right. It truly is the last nail in the coffin for the codex. Truly an awesome day...

Looks like I'm selling them.

Not sure if serious...

Definitely serious about the selling part.

So now that you're not big fish in little pond it is time to change? I don't get it. Just shelve them until you want to use them later.

For everyone that argued that you have to roll to hit with JotWW. I think you owe the community an apology. Sorry you lost on that one.

Bikeninja wrote:For everyone that argued that you have to roll to hit with JotWW. I think you owe the community an apology. Sorry you lost on that one.

To be fair, the rulebook FAQ says that you have to roll to hit with PSAs and JotWW is a PSA. Not sure you could interpret that any differently.

Bikeninja wrote:For everyone that argued that you have to roll to hit with JotWW. I think you owe the community an apology. Sorry you lost on that one.

Not that I'd argued that, but given how often GW has flip-flopped and how inconsistent their FAQ's were this round, I'd doubt it. Nobody ever thought about Lash needing to hit, then all of a sudden now it does, stuff like that for instance is why we never have clear answers or consistent footing to argue from.

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:
I've been rocking my local store with Warptime princes, coming in 2nd at the last 2 tournaments and smashing 5th ed codexes left and right. It truly is the last nail in the coffin for the codex. Truly an awesome day...

Looks like I'm selling them.

I feel the pain brother....oh well - perhaps the next codex will be cool :-)

Mannfred wrote:Wow, there are some suprising changes...:

Chaos spacemarines

Q: Is Lash of Submission a Psychic Shooting Attack and
must it roll To Hit? (p88)
A: Yes to both questions. Note that if it misses, it will
have no effect.

Q: Does Warptime allow the psyker to pick and choose
which To Hit and To Wound dice he will re-roll? (p88)
A: No. He can decide after each To Hit or To Wound roll
but he must re-roll all dice or no dice.

So....an already bad codex gets worse by the FAQ killing off things that kept its head above water.

*Golf claps*

So pretty much everything in the Necron Faq has been being played correctly.... nice!

Zid wrote:So pretty much everything in the Necron Faq has been being played correctly.... nice!

Except conga-lining Scarabs. And the debate over whether or not Anrakyr can use Mind in the Machine from his transport.

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:

pretre wrote:

th3maninblak wrote:
I've been rocking my local store with Warptime princes, coming in 2nd at the last 2 tournaments and smashing 5th ed codexes left and right. It truly is the last nail in the coffin for the codex. Truly an awesome day...

Looks like I'm selling them.

Not sure if serious...

Definitely serious about the selling part.

So now that you're not big fish in little pond it is time to change? I don't get it. Just shelve them until you want to use them later.

More likely than not, the Legions book will be different enough that many of the models wont trasnfer over, and by the Codex release schedule, it's still about 8-10 months out by my reckoning. So jaws doesn't require a to hit roll, but lash does.

th3maninblak wrote:

More likely than not, the Legions book will be different enough that many of the models wont trasnfer over, and by the Codex release schedule, it's still about 8-10 months out by my reckoning. So jaws doesn't require a to hit roll, but lash does.

And anyone that can use it has to hit on a what? 2+?

So now Lash of submission needs to hit on a 2+ (no biggie), meaning it is subject to COVER SAVES (yes, a biggie).

Looks like they really want to get people to sell their Chaos stuff and then buy them new when the next codex comes along. I'm starting to like Infinity more and more....

As for Warptime...wow. A price costing more than a GK sargeant becomes entirely awful and pretty much goes against the whole logic of re-rolls in other books.

th3maninblak wrote:More likely than not, the Legions book will be different enough that many of the models wont trasnfer over,

Welcome to 40k. If you haven't changed your army a million times due to edition or codex changes, you really haven't been paying attention.

My god.

They fixed the Tyranid FAQ

Q: Does Shadow in the Warp affect Psykers who are taking a psychic test while embarked in a transport vehicle?
A: Yes

I'm flabbergasted!

Sephyr wrote:So now Lash of submission needs to hit on a 2+ (no biggie), meaning it is subject to COVER SAVES (yes, a biggie).

You don't get cover saves from something that doesn't cause wounds.


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DarkStarSabre wrote:My god.

They fixed the Tyranid FAQ

Q: Does Shadow in the Warp affect Psykers who are taking a psychic test while embarked in a transport vehicle?
A: Yes

I'm flabbergasted!

Nids got some love. What I like (if I'm reading it correctly) is Swarmlord + 2 Tyrant Guard are 1 KP.

DarkStarSabre wrote:My god.

They fixed the Tyranid FAQ

Q: Does Shadow in the Warp affect Psykers who are taking a psychic test while embarked in a transport vehicle?
A: Yes

I'm flabbergasted!

Yes indeedy. It makes sense now!

Sephyr wrote:So now Lash of submission needs to hit on a 2+ (no biggie), meaning it is subject to COVER SAVES (yes, a biggie).

How? It's not causing any wounds to save.

puma713 wrote:

Zid wrote:So pretty much everything in the Necron Faq has been being played correctly.... nice!

Except conga-lining Scarabs. And the debate over whether or not Anrakyr can use Mind in the Machine from his transport.

Says in the Faq that the scarabs must be placed within coherancy of scarabs that already existed (not ones being spawns), so that ones fixed.

That's what he was saying.

Finnaly! I might win with my tau vs chaos!

I was wrong

Read it again.

BRB FAQ wrote:Q: Can models embarked upon a vehicle use its fire
points to draw line of sight to a unit to use special
rules or wargear (other than shooting)? (p66)
A: No

They cannot use a firepoint for LOS. Areas of effect are fine.

italiaplaya wrote:Idk if this rule has been posted already. But this is a pretty big change to the rules. Check he bottom of page 5. Basically stating Models embarked in vehicles attempting to use wargear items or specia rules not being able to anymore.

Whats this means- KFF doesnt work inside vehicles, BA FNP FC bubble doesnt work anymore, no lashing out of a rhino anymore, The list goes on.

KFF and BA FNP FC bubble don't require LOS. They don't need a fire point, they work fine.

Lashing is now a PSA that isn't exactly a PSA, so it still gets to shoot.

Am I the only one who finds it funny that they didn't update the Tau or Black Templars? Looks like that's only further proof that they're next in line for a major codex update.

A lot of these seem like they are FAQs to earlier FAQs. Things like splitting into combat squads from reserve and the SitW.

I guess I was using Lash all wrong because I was rolling to hit and treating it as a shooting attack already.

The ruling about Warptime was horrible. Per RAW that is exactly what it says to do. The problem exists because the Chaos Space Marine Codex is a 4th edition codex with 4th edition rules. In the 4th edition rulebook it stated that whenever you have a re-roll, you get to choose the dice you are re-rolling. In 5th edition that rule no longer is in the rulebook. The FAQ is meant to clear up those discrepancys that are cause by edition changes, and instead they made a stupid ruling and made the power idiotic, and you get to pay 25 points for it!

Bikeninja wrote:For everyone that argued that you have to roll to hit with JotWW. I think you owe the community an apology. Sorry you lost on that one.

That's a little harsh (and I never thought you needed to roll to hit - though that would have been nice). But when GW has a FAQ that in one PSA (lash) requires a to-hit roll and in another (Jaws) does not, that leaves a lot of us scratching our heads.

If everyone had to apologize every time they got something wrong on the internet, then the internet would be 3/4 full of apologies.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I saw how it explained how entropic strike works on vehicles but I didnt notice it explaining how it works on models with fnp? Is that still out for debate?