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From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:

Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not

Wow, if that's not true that little fella needs to be fired.

Not the first time that a store employee has made gak up to try to sell more right now.

Let me rephrase

"When I managed retail if an employee would have been heard saying something that could shake consumer confidence in my store should it turn out not to be true that person would be....disciplined up to and including possible termination"

Hehe. Good call. Most of the crud we hear about on here would get a normal employee fired if I managed them though.

True, but I can tell you acting that way when employed by Workshop in SoCal would have gotten you fired 7 years ago. Granted things change. But a basic understanding of trust being essential to that kind of business shouldn't. Oh well. Looking forward to the starter. Heres to hoping the Hellbrute fella is more like a DK. I love me some DreadKnight (spelled out to avoid easy jokes!)

Yeah, I like that they are changing from the 'Look it is a normal dreadnought but EEEEVIL' to 'Look, this guy is f'in messed up and so we decided to give him a big suit of armor so he could work out his issues on loyalists.'

Mad Mek wrote:
i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not

Scan copy of your big rulebook (Remember its yours and you're not distributing it to anyone except yourself) + Print of scan at fedex in booklet form (Find friend who works at Fedex so its free) + Enjoy.

My entire playgroup had a mini rulebook a few days after the big one came out. Very useful.

OMG PIRACY!

Totally awful pirates buying the rulebook only to make a smaller version and never use the one we bought :(

Kirasu wrote:Totally awful pirates buying the rulebook only to make a smaller version and never use the one we bought :(

PIRACY! WARGARBLE!

AegisGrimm wrote:...I'll almost guarantee than it'll be somewhere in the $100-$125 range with GW's prices lately.

I sure hope you are right. I am thinking that you are probably about $25-$50 short on your estimate.

pretre wrote:From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:

Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not

It's tough to decide whether or not to take this seriously. When faced with these two propositions:

1. GW will screw its customers by making them buy the starter box AND the rulebook

and

2. This particular GW grunt is lying or misinformed

Both seem perfectly likely. I guess we'll jsut have to wait and see. If #1. is true, I'm just gonna rely on freinds/opponents for the full rules. Like hell I'm shelling out $6-odd bucks for something that should come in the starter (which will likely already put me out $120+)

-C6

PS-I know that even at $120+, all the miniatures that will be in here will likely make it a worthwhile purchase. but it's still getting screwed when all previous editions came ready-to-play. Actually, thinking about it, thi is the strongest argument in favor of this NOT being true. GW wants to hook new people. Making it twice as complicated (you have to buy 2 different products) and ~50% more expensive seems like a plan so awful that even GW can recognize how bone-headed it would be.

I wonder if the Heavy Stubber is just some guy holding it or is it like a Heavy Weapon Team?

There is no T-E-A-M in Cultist.


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And... More Faeit

via Faeit 212 from Must Remain Anonymous Source wrote:
The post about the starter boxes rulebook is incorrect.

There's a "Let's Get Started" insert, that is 8.5"/11" and a few pages that goes over movement, shooting and close combat with full color pictures, and also includes all the rules for the models in the set. It's designed specifically for the starter and the examples it gives to explain things are with the units that you get in the box.

In addition, you also get a rulebook. It is a miniature, black and white softback of the main rulebook stripped of any of the fluff and most if not all of the images.

It includes all of the USRs and is word for word the rulebook.

There has been no internal email stating that the core set rulebook would be insufficient and to advise that.

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In other words, the exact same as the last 2 editions. A getting started book and a mini rulebook.

BrookM wrote:This comes as a surprise after the last few named starter sets?

Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.

TalonZahn wrote:

Crayola wrote:[Or, you know, what I initially said.

This confirms nothing except they took old info and called it new without giving proper credit to anyone who broke it.

I fail to see what your statement even really says, seems circular by default.

Now you just have BoW confused with BoLS.

BoW did the same thing. I've read everything here except the "Dark Vengeance" title and the chaplain somewhere else.

Brother SRM wrote:BoW did the same thing. I've read everything here except the "Dark Vengeance" title and the chaplain somewhere else.

Yea, but it's not as fun to bag on BoW.

Of course they didn't have any sketches this time around so.....

Brother SRM wrote: Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.

Dark Vengance sounds more like the name of your 13 year old self's Goth band.

Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.

Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.

Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!

See, if it was Battle for Bloodskull Doomountain or something I'd be okay with it! I'm fine with silly naming conventions, and if they're themed that's a plus. Dark Vengeance just sounds so generic to me, like the subtitle for some bad JRPG.

They could have at least included Cypher.

All I am really interested in is the mini rule book, I am amazed that GW doesn't sell this seperately.

The cultists and the Dread may find a home as well, depending on what they look like.

Pictures? Anybody? No? Okay...

Hulksmash wrote:Let me rephrase

"When I managed retail if an employee would have been heard saying something that could shake consumer confidence in my store should it turn out not to be true that person would be....disciplined up to and including possible termination"

I can't speak with any real experience because there has never been an official GW store in Austin, but from lots of reports I've read online, aren't these guys pushed with crazy sales quotas? It seems if the company is pushing sales to the degree that the lowest level employees feel the need to deceive customers, you are approaching sales and customer interaction the wrong way. I find it hard to lay full blame on this employee to the point of calling for his job. If anything, I wonder what policies his manager or regional manager is promoting to drive this behavior. I would hazard a guess that most low level employees to engage in this type of behavior on their own accord without some drive from supervisors.


On topic, I'm super excited for cultists much more so now that we have a general idea of the look. It's about time they have official models that aren't the horrendous 3rd edition metals. The hellbrute could be cool as well. Depends where it fits in the FOC and what roll it fulfills.

Cypher is probably going to be one of the heroes in the chaos set as a mighty "SCREW YOU" to the DAs. It would be fitting.

Welp this pretty much seals it, I'll be buying one of these if the price is reasonable. I figure a BRB is $75 retail (I have yet to buy one) so I need a rule book and prefer the minis any way. I've also been interested in Marines or Chaos at some point or another. So half the set will stay with me, the other half with go to a friend, swap shop or ebay.

However to hit those margins properly I'd still want the set to be in the 100 range.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Assault on Black Reach and Battle for Macragge sound like battles that the set is themed around. Dark Vengeance sounds like my 13 year old self's clan name in Counter-Strike.

Don’t act so surprised SRM. This is the same company that added ‘Blood’ to the start of damn near everything in the Blood Angel Codex, and the company that gave us the almighty NEMESIS DOOOOOOOM FIST!

Dark is the new Dark Angels buzzword. They'll have Dark Plasma, and Dark Missiles and DARKTEKBLOODNEMESISDOOMFISTS on all their sergeants when it turns out that they're just regular power fists with a fancy name.

In all seriousness though am looking forward to this interrogator chaplain, even if it's in some super secret DARK limited edition version which only a certain inner circle of GW know about.

I was half expecting the set to be called GRIM STOICISM instead.

Dark Missiles can only be fired on turns in which it's nightfight. You heard it here first, folks!

I hope the bikes aren't Dangle heavy. I'm working on building the XIX Legion's mounted division and a ready source of cheap bikes from bits sellers would be most welcome!

pretre wrote:From Faeit, and also from a store employee, so take with salt:

Mad Mek wrote:i was in my local GW for the 1st time in a while when the staff tried selling me a 6th ed rule book
i said i was going to wait for the starter set for the mini copy , i was then told by this staff the
starter set will not have the full rule set but a basic rule set and you still need to buy the big rule
book no matter weather you get the starter or not

= Mad Mek has poor listening comprehension or GW storeboy has poor speaking communication, and was trying to tell him that he should still buy the big hardcover because it comes with all the awesome fluff and full color art and cool special campaign scenarios and stuff, "Of course you want all that stuff, so you should buy the big rulebook too."

The odds that the kid at GW was actually lying to him and claiming that the mini rulebook wouldn't have all the core rules are extremely remote. Sounds like a miscommunication blown up out of proportion by internet dramatics.

Stop using logic Mannahnin, use your outrage!