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Arkon wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:but there's no more C'tan Phase Blade or Psycannon killing invuln saves.

Haven't they C'tan Phase Sword, that ignore all saves and cause instant death ?

They changed it; now it's a Power Sword that causes Instant Death.
Though the Witch Hunters assassins still use the old ones.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Arkon wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:but there's no more C'tan Phase Blade or Psycannon killing invuln saves.

Haven't they C'tan Phase Sword, that ignore all saves and cause instant death ?

They changed it; now it's a Power Sword that causes Instant Death.
Though the Witch Hunters assassins still use the old ones.

I was mostly pointing at the guilty vindicare indeed he only deactivates wargear which create an invuln save

Well, by saying more firepower I meant some goody that they could have the Gauss or Tesla weapons have.
Also, I would love for the warscythes to keep their "no-save-at-all" rule. To give my enemies one more thing to fear...

'edit' IF the Tesla weapons actually come into being...in the initial post by Yakface they sounded like fun... Guess we'll see in 2-3 months or so...

angelshade00 wrote:Well, by saying more firepower I meant some goody that they could have the Gauss or Tesla weapons have.
Also, I would love for the warscythes to keep their "no-save-at-all" rule. To give my enemies one more thing to fear...

'edit' IF the Tesla weapons actually come into being...in the initial post by Yakface they sounded like fun... Guess we'll see in 2-3 months or so...

I hope a 'somewhere in the near future' mail will at least have us peek at something

I hope Warscythes maintain their current state, it'll gives us something to be able to hard counter dedicated assault units like TH/SS Termies that would normally just cut a swath through us.

I don't see a problem with it, if only a few things like the Liche Guard, and Perhaps Lords/Crypteks can take them.

Yeah, still waiting for that "Incoming" e-mail...

Sasori wrote:I hope Warscythes maintain their current state, it'll gives us something to be able to hard counter dedicated assault units like TH/SS Termies that would normally just cut a swath through us.

I don't see a problem with it, if only a few things like the Liche Guard, and Perhaps Lords/Crypteks can take them.

I agree, not to mention that would make a pretty nice assault unit for the Necrons as well. Talk about a nice counter to really good assault units.

KingCracker wrote:

Sasori wrote:I hope Warscythes maintain their current state, it'll gives us something to be able to hard counter dedicated assault units like TH/SS Termies that would normally just cut a swath through us.

I don't see a problem with it, if only a few things like the Liche Guard, and Perhaps Lords/Crypteks can take them.

I agree, not to mention that would make a pretty nice assault unit for the Necrons as well. Talk about a nice counter to really good assault units.

It's a game-kicker - the one CC ewapon in the entire game that denies you that crucial save on your favourite tough unit. Terminators will cry Well not the Gk ones... they'll just up their I and smash first.

I guarantee that they'll be nerfed for necrons, and then the next Marine dex to be updated will get something with the same rules

TH/SS termies are way beyond unfunny as it is.

@Ascalam.

DON'T JINX THE NECRONS!

I like my warscythes...

I have mixed feelings about the telsa weapons, part of me thinks "cool!" the other part thinks, "completely unnecessary and stupid."

The concern about losing Pariahs is valid. They are over costed as is, but certainly in the current meta are invaluable for stopping the ubiquitous TH/SS terminators in their tracks, forcing your opponant to actually have to think about deployment. Still, though, Pariahs aren't that great, given their stat line, sadly...

King Pariah wrote:@Ascalam.

DON'T JINX THE NECRONS!

I like my warscythes...

I have mixed feelings about the telsa weapons, part of me thinks "cool!" the other part thinks, "completely unnecessary and stupid."

Too late. We were jinxed long long ago

I like my warscythes too, but as weapons that outshine imperial ones they aren't staying as is. You know the score, and so do I :(

Remember when only Necrons has 3++ saves?

Tesla weapons might be cool, but i'd have picked another name..

Ascalam wrote:Tesla weapons might be cool, but i'd have picked another name..

To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nikola Tesla, Serbian mechanical and electrical engineer of the early 20th century...

Like the land speeder/raider are named after something-or-other Land?

GW fluff needs an imagination infusion

I dont think having units that ignore inv's is an issue really. Invs to me have always been a save that is more difficult to break through, not neccessarily a save that simply cant be cut through. To me its a representation of added defences be it psychic related, superior reflexes or tech based. I think so long as its a limited number of units that have the ability in each army then its fine. Witch hunter callidus still have the phase swordwhich is all well and good for cutting through invs but at the end of day shes only one model and can be easily over whelmed. Units that have the ability to cut through invs often pay dearly in points cost or have some fatal flaw to them (in the case of callidus assassins the fatal flaw is being outnumbered). So, provided the units are made balanced and dont consist of "we are immortal and we can chop through anything" then I think it'd be fine. Pariahs if i recall correctly were limited in the old necron codex so it meant that whilst you had a unit capable of cutting through saves you only had so many of them which meant that should the opponent wish to, they could lay down fire on that unit and essentially be free of it for the rest of the game. C'tan also possessed the ability to nail their way through invs and whilst they could be considered to be tough to take down, their points cost was quite immense for back then so you did pay quite dearly for them they were also limited aswell. SOpersonally I dont think its an issue for a unit or two to possess that ability providing they have a weakness.

angelshade00 wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nikola Tesla, Serbian mechanical and electrical engineer of the early 20th century...

Um. Yeah. I know.
I meant in the Warhammer world.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nikola Tesla, Serbian mechanical and electrical engineer of the early 20th century...

Um. Yeah. I know.
I meant in the Warhammer world.

its probably the same tesla iv heard hes THAT good. plus, given red alert, he probably has a time machine and is in the imperium right now

kenzosan wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
To be fair, I suspect that, like the Tyranids, most of what they are called are Imperial Classifications. I doubt that "Tesla" is a Necrontyr word, but likely some Imperial scientist blah blah blah.

Nikola Tesla, Serbian mechanical and electrical engineer of the early 20th century...

Um. Yeah. I know.
I meant in the Warhammer world.

its probably the same tesla iv heard hes THAT good. plus, given red alert, he probably has a time machine and is in the imperium right now

That'd be unfortunate. He'd be accused of Heresy, having all this technical knowledge.

sure they could try, but its tesla. he'll fry anyone that comes after him.

AD Mech zappyness ftw

I think there may be a reference to Tesla something in the Ork codex fluff, but i may be misremembering. If i find it i'll update

Ascalam wrote:AD Mech zappyness ftw

I think there may be a reference to Tesla something in the Ork codex fluff, but i may be misremembering. If i find it i'll update

haha, maybe how the zzap kannon or mek's shokk attack gun work?

Found it, but it was in the Nid codex, not the ork one

' Tesla Prime was a major weapons testing facility for the Adeptus Mechanicus. Experimental weapons of truly devastating effect were stockpiled there prior to the worlds evacuation ahead of hive fleet Leviathan. While the Mechanicum attempted to remove as much material as possible some equipment proved to large, or to dangerous to move and so was abandoned. Shortly after the last ship departed Tesla Prime Ork looters proceeded to raid what ever had been left. The explosions from their 'experiments' could easily be seen from space. By the time hive fleet Leviathan finally arrived the Orks had managed to master many of their new toys resulting in massive casualties on both sides and causing the conflict to spread to many nearby worlds. The resulting war proved to be extremely helpful to the Imperium allowing them to fortify or reclaim many smaller strongholds against further incursions.'

Lexicanum

Ascalam wrote:<orksplosions>

Makes me wonder if the planet was named after something/someone else in the 40K universe, or if that's the origin of the term.

I heard that Night Bringers wont count as consumers much longa

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Ascalam wrote:<orksplosions>

Sweet.

Chamleoneyes wrote:I too find it a bit hard to believe that the Pariahs are going to be completely removed from the next codex. I can believe that the might go through a name change, perhaps the pariahs are the necron prototypes for the rumored Cryptechs? Just a thought.

Yakface said there will be a new unit with the ability to take warscythes that will be S5 T5. if that isn't equal to the current pariah then what is.


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Ascalam wrote:Found it, but it was in the Nid codex, not the ork one

' Tesla Prime was a major weapons testing facility for the Adeptus Mechanicus. Experimental weapons of truly devastating effect were stockpiled there prior to the worlds evacuation ahead of hive fleet Leviathan. While the Mechanicum attempted to remove as much material as possible some equipment proved to large, or to dangerous to move and so was abandoned. Shortly after the last ship departed Tesla Prime Ork looters proceeded to raid what ever had been left. The explosions from their 'experiments' could easily be seen from space. By the time hive fleet Leviathan finally arrived the Orks had managed to master many of their new toys resulting in massive casualties on both sides and causing the conflict to spread to many nearby worlds. The resulting war proved to be extremely helpful to the Imperium allowing them to fortify or reclaim many smaller strongholds against further incursions.'

Lexicanum

Isn't that part of the storyline for that new game (Space Marine)

Orks capturing an important imperial planet is the default backstory for anything 40k.

pariahs.......
HOLY gak
wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhh /wwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooohhhhhhhhhoooooo
not sure what to say-good because im not a necron player but bad because they were AWSOME.
NERD RAGE
NUCLEAR HORIZON

master of ordinance wrote:pariahs.......
HOLY gak
wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhh /wwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooohhhhhhhhhoooooo
not sure what to say-good because im not a necron player but bad because they were AWSOME.
NERD RAGE
NUCLEAR HORIZON

What the hell is that all about lol