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2000 Volts:

You can use Faith in the enemies turn. Look how it is worded.

"At the start of your PHASE you generate D6 Faith"

"This is how many you have available for the TURN"

Phase = your own play phase

Turn = yours and your opponents

"Faith can be attempted before a SoB unit acts during a PHASE: Before it moves, before it shoots or strikes blows in Assault"

So we can activate our +1 Strength or +1 Initiative in our opponents PHASE.

EDIT

This is worded weirdly

"At the start of each of your Movement phases you generate D6 Faith Points" Each of whose? Mine and my opponents or each Sister squad?

"Any faith points that unused at the end of your turn are lost" Guess that blows my theory out of the water.

GW have not made it clear at all but there is a massive difference between PHASE and TURN. Turn = two phases, mine, my opponents. Faith can be used during a phase. Doesn't say who's.

grim dan: You lose all unspent faith points at the end of YOUR turn.

"Any Faith Points that are unused at the end of your turn are lost."
Emphasis mine.

Ninja'd.

See above - Your faith pool is generated at the start of your movement phase and drains at the end of your turn.

Also "turn" means your turn unless otherwise stated.

Yeah I just put that too guys.

Sorry I was quite hopeful then :(

Ok, I join Melissa - NERF'D!

And just to be clear, P9 says that whenever a rule says 'turn' it means player turn unless it specifically says game turn.

Ok Ok,

I get the point.

Phases and turns. Pfft.

The thing that we did gain, grim_dan, is the ability to try failed checks again and to use some powers multiple times and stack results.

pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:If I was on the design team, the codex would have been far better.

Shudder. I imagine an alternate universe with Celestine's Law instead of Draigo's...

Oddly enough, no.

My version of Celestine is probably easier to compare to a mawloc or that DKoK drill, in that when she comes back from the dead she does so in an S3 AP- explosion centered on her model Other than that and adding Hit and Run, no major changes to her. I don't think I've added anythign similar to Draigo....

Celestians could, theoretically, be S9 and Fearless on the charge with good rolling.


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Melissia wrote:My version of Celestine is probably easier to compare to a mawloc or that DKoK drill, in that when she comes back from the dead she does so in an S3 AP- explosion centered on her model Other than that and adding Hit and Run, no major changes to her. I don't think I've added anythign similar to Draigo....

Draigo's Law is in my sig. I was more saying that everyone would cry over you the same way they do over Ward. After all, the only constant is complaint.

Yeah retrying checks is nice.

Stacking results? How do you mean...Combos with IC's and Squads?

pretre wrote:Celestians could, theoretically, be S9 and Fearless on the charge with good rolling.

But I'd rather them be S7 I5, wouldn't you?

Melissia wrote:

pretre wrote:Celestians could, theoretically, be S9 and Fearless on the charge with good rolling.

But I'd rather them be S7 I5, wouldn't you?

Depends on what you're charging. They can do S7 I5, Preferred Enemy with a Canoness attached, which is kinda crazy if you think about it.

Add Cannoness.

I5 then :-D

So... counts as blood angels then? Just use tac marines for sisters...

So wait a minute...

We can do the Strength +1 multiple times and it stacks!?!?

pretre wrote:Draigo's Law is in my sig. I was more saying that everyone would cry over you the same way they do over Ward. After all, the only constant is complaint.

People complain no matter what. What's important is to look at the complaints which have any smattering of validity.

For example, saying the entire PDF codex sucks without any qualifications is wrong-- Dominions and St. Celestine are both greatly improved, for example. Hell, Celestine in this codex may actually be stronger than the one in my codex (I'm actually thinking of revising my own to fit more in line with this one, because of complaints about Miraculous Intervention needing simplification) minus the lack of Hit and Run-- I wouldn't have dared give her WS/BS values above 6.

gr1m_dan wrote:So wait a minute...

We can do the Strength +1 multiple times and it stacks!?!?

In the old faith rules, it said you could only try a faith power once.

The new ones are lacking that and given the Hammerhand ruling...

Celestians are kind of crazy now.

You gotta think:
9 x Celestians (150)
2 x Meltaguns (20)
Eviscerator (25)
Jacobus (??)

On the charge, you have 32 S4 to S9 normal attacks reroll misses.
Superior throws 4 S7 to S10 Chainfist attacks reroll misses.
Jacobus throws 5 S4 to S9 normals reroll misses..
They have FNP, fearless (charge turn) and stubborn.

Hilarious. Who needs krak grenades anyways. Celestians just ripped apart an IG parking lot with their bare hands.



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Melissia wrote:Hell, Celestine in this codex may actually be stronger than the one in my codex (I'm actually thinking of revising my own to fit more in line with this one, because of complaints about Miraculous Intervention needing simplification) minus the lack of Hit and Run-- I wouldn't have dared give her WS/BS values above 6.

It makes me want to make a special marker for the spot where she fell. Since it says you need to leave a counter.

Phototoxin wrote:So... counts as blood angels then? Just use tac marines for sisters...

Emperor help me, I was considering this. I don't think I could bring myself to do it though. Even though it works so well.


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pretre wrote:Draigo's Law is in my sig.

Yeah, with no credit to the guy who came up with it.

Petre if you are correct then I just realised what section Ward wrote.

Surely that can't be right though? That's bordering insane.

Although I guess it doesn't say you can't attempt the same power twice and it doesn't stack. Like you said, especially with the Hammerhand ruling.

gr1m_dan wrote:Petre if you are correct then I just realised what section Ward wrote.

Surely that can't be right though? That's bordering insane.

Although I guess it doesn't say you can't attempt the same power twice and it doesn't stack. Like you said, especially with the Hammerhand ruling.

I wrote a post about which ones were stackable earlier.

Basically, Celestians (+1 Str) is the most abusable. Canoness (+1 I) is pretty good too. Repentia get an honorable mention for being able to get 1 attack for each time they pass their faith check. (Oh, you wiped out my squad, faith checks... They still get 1 to 6 attacks a piece. Power weapons. S6.)


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htj wrote:

pretre wrote:Draigo's Law is in my sig.

Yeah, with no credit to the guy who came up with it.

I'm pretty sure I came up with it. Are you claiming prior use?

Five internets says that this gets FAQ'd away eventually.

Melissia wrote:Five internets says that this gets FAQ'd away eventually.

Hehe. That would require effort, wouldn't it? That's kind of contrary to your earlier posts.

pretre wrote:

Melissia wrote:Five internets says that this gets FAQ'd away eventually.

Hehe. That would require effort, wouldn't it? That's kind of contrary to your earlier posts.

Not really, they're gonna have to change the FAQs anyway-- even if only to remove C:WH from the list.

Basically, without seeing points, I imagine something like this for my list:

Canoness
Jacobus
3 x 8 Celestians in Rhinos with good stuff
3 Priests/confessors if they make them 0-3 elites or non slot taking or something crazy.
4 BS in Immos with good stuff
1-2 Seraphim Squads with stuff
1-2 Dominions in Immos with Good stuff
3 Exorcists

Should be entertaining.

pretre wrote:Basically, without seeing points, I imagine something like this for my list:

Canoness
Jacobus
3 x 8 Celestians in Rhinos with good stuff
3 Priests/confessors if they make them 0-3 elites or non slot taking or something crazy.
4 BS in Immos with good stuff
1-2 Seraphim Squads with stuff
1-2 Dominions in Immos with Good stuff
3 Exorcists

Should be entertaining.

TBH, I actually hope Battle Sisters are 10-20, not 5-20. No need to make Sisters even MORE Marine-lite than this PDF codex already does...

Melissia wrote:

pretre wrote:Basically, without seeing points, I imagine something like this for my list:

Canoness
Jacobus
3 x 8 Celestians in Rhinos with good stuff
3 Priests/confessors if they make them 0-3 elites or non slot taking or something crazy.
4 BS in Immos with good stuff
1-2 Seraphim Squads with stuff
1-2 Dominions in Immos with Good stuff
3 Exorcists

Should be entertaining.

TBH, I actually hope Battle Sisters are 10-20, not 5-20. No need to make Sisters even MORE Marine-lite than this PDF codex already does...

Swap 4BS in Immos for 4 BS in Rhinos then or maybe 4 BS walking. Depends on wargear options too. Also, there's the chance that they don't need to fit in their transport, which means I could still take 10-20 and keep my Immo.

pretre wrote:

htj wrote:

pretre wrote:Draigo's Law is in my sig.

Yeah, with no credit to the guy who came up with it.

I'm pretty sure I came up with it. Are you claiming prior use?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/364734.page#2735481

pretre wrote:

htj wrote:Proposed new subset of Godwin's Law. Draigo's Law.

The longer a discussion on Dakka continues the probability that Draigo or Matt Ward will be brought up approaches 1.

edit: Messed with the wording and sigged. Thanks HTJ!

If you have seen further it was only by standing on the shoulders of giants.

htj wrote:

pretre wrote:

htj wrote:

pretre wrote:Draigo's Law is in my sig.

Yeah, with no credit to the guy who came up with it.

I'm pretty sure I came up with it. Are you claiming prior use?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/364734.page#2735481

Man, I'm getting old. My bad and my apologies.