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Cameron Baum wrote:
You know that liquid gold is another name for poppers, right? Doubt GW will be selling them, somehow... Particularly with the kids in the store. Still, they'd have smiles on their faces...

And at some point, I have to change my paints. May as well be now.

now i just need to know what poppers are... sorry my drug lingo is limited

either way, i'll just wait till i test out the paints and descide if i like em or not

Poppers come in a small bottle and give a buzz. For about a minute. Then a splitting headache.

Come to the P3 side, my sons.

We have really cool colors and supreme coverage.

... but please bring your washes with you. K THX

Leigen_Zero wrote: I can appreciate that differences in shade may result in frustration for people who paint to GD standards and commission painters, but you're average gamer is largely unaffected.

Tell that to any of the Ultramarine players out there who already have three noticeably different shades of Ultramarines Blue in their armies...

Changing a key colour affects everybody who uses it. On account of it being, you know, a different colour.

They make you ridiculously giggily, but not enough to justify the headache you get after, it's that bad.

Though to be fair, I can't think of any thing to justify the use of any non legal, beneficial drug.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm actually pretty excited about the paint change, and I'm looking forward to seeing the full range face to face. I do wish they could've kept the names the same though I guess that if they're changing suppliers & there's potential for error on the colours due to pigment variation that there'd be a reason to rename them. Liche purple ain't liche purple if it doesn't look like liche purple after all.

I can even see the benefit of the texture paints, for an amateur painter such as myself. I thnk flockingbases is a royal pain in the ass, as I always manage to get some sand half way up my wyches knee, or end up painting over an ankle or something. With this stuff, I can imagine it being a lot easier to blue tack the model on to a base before painting it, texture the base first and glue the model on later.

So, next question, when're they gonna release the new citadel brushes? (Not an actual rumour, just my own thoughts. Surely they'll want to capitalise and release a brush that's labelled for each paint type, I also think the 'eavy metal brush set was a bit of an early tester prior to all this)

BramGaunt wrote:The colour sheet with the 'check' boxes will be a new instore item (free of charge) to keep track of which paints you've got and which ones you still need. Mostly for smaller children.

Will they have liquid pigment like P3?

Goatboy wrote:

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filbert wrote:Well, quote from Kroot's first post:

straightsilver wrote:I have heard that the new Citadel Paints will be the high density pigment variety, so very similar to the current line of P3 paints.

They have a much better coverage over black undercoat and the colours are more vibrant, especially on reds and yellows.

I suppose they could be considered halfway between a foundation paint and the current ones.

I guess this is the answer. Hopefully the new Base colours will be as effective as the old Foundation ones. Thankfully, I have enough Foundation paints to last me for a while.

Side note: Ive been using the non -metallic P3 paints as my 'foundation' paint for a few years. It covers really well and lends itself to a nice new shade.

Interesting to know. Thanks for that, may have to try using them as a replacement for the now extinct Foundations...

Kanluwen wrote:Oh, Mwnciboo:
The "Shades" do appear to be the crop of current Washes, with a few more added in. The photos showed them as having this strange translucent quality to the color swatches, which they only have on that same poster for the "Glazes".

Brother Weasel wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
You know that liquid gold is another name for poppers, right? Doubt GW will be selling them, somehow... Particularly with the kids in the store. Still, they'd have smiles on their faces...

And at some point, I have to change my paints. May as well be now.

now i just need to know what poppers are... sorry my drug lingo is limited

either way, i'll just wait till i test out the paints and descide if i like em or not

I'm more interested in seeing which ones dissapear in a couple of years time, because I don't want to use stuff that will disappear....

Deadshot wrote:Poppers come in a small bottle and give a buzz. For about a minute. Then a splitting headache.

Bit more than that. I enjoyed them the one time I did it. And it is legal.

Full details here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers

insaniak wrote:

Leigen_Zero wrote: I can appreciate that differences in shade may result in frustration for people who paint to GD standards and commission painters, but you're average gamer is largely unaffected.

Tell that to any of the Ultramarine players out there who already have three noticeably different shades of Ultramarines Blue in their armies...

Changing a key colour affects everybody who uses it. On account of it being, you know, a different colour.

And the Ultramarines Blue they have at the moment is a shade that disgusts me. I'm used to using Ultramarine from the Windsor and Newton oil paints, and it is utterly different. a wonderfully deep hue of blue that you can then add Titanium White to, and get a whole host of different blues from. Once you've used oils, you get a whole new level of appreciation to colours. Being serious, if they didn't take days to dry, I would be using watered down oils to paint all my models.

So, don't start telling me that a difference in shade isn't important for the average gamer. Because that is a pile of steaming horseradish sauce. Three different shades means three different blues. You can't escape that simple fact.


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kitch102 wrote:They make you ridiculously giggily, but not enough to justify the headache you get after, it's that bad.

Though to be fair, I can't think of any thing to justify the use of any non legal, beneficial drug.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm actually pretty excited about the paint change, and I'm looking forward to seeing the full range face to face. I do wish they could've kept the names the same though I guess that if they're changing suppliers & there's potential for error on the colours due to pigment variation that there'd be a reason to rename them. Liche purple ain't liche purple if it doesn't look like liche purple after all.

I can even see the benefit of the texture paints, for an amateur painter such as myself. I thnk flockingbases is a royal pain in the ass, as I always manage to get some sand half way up my wyches knee, or end up painting over an ankle or something. With this stuff, I can imagine it being a lot easier to blue tack the model on to a base before painting it, texture the base first and glue the model on later.

So, next question, when're they gonna release the new citadel brushes? (Not an actual rumour, just my own thoughts. Surely they'll want to capitalise and release a brush that's labelled for each paint type, I also think the 'eavy metal brush set was a bit of an early tester prior to all this)

No, Salvia makes you ridiculously giggly. And go to a brilliantly surreal place.

I'm interested in this new range, but cautiously so. Who knows what changes might come along in a couple of years time?

Shame there is no washes other than GW ones, else I'd be looking at them seriously. Washes are wonderful.

Altruizine wrote:Yeah. I wanted to ask him two questions right after I read that:

1) Did you actually use the Dry paint to drybrush?

and

2) Did you have something to stir the "uneven" textured paint with?

1)I did drybrush with the drybrush paint, it does its job but it leaves chunks, basically practice, if dry brushing is your thing, they are useless in every other regard.

2)I did and applied it to a blank base and it was uneven and chunky, basically requiring repeated coats and even then it looked like crap. Its litterally sand and paint.... feel free to try it now if you wish.

And Iyanden Darksun is Averland Sunset

Ravenous D wrote:

Altruizine wrote:Yeah. I wanted to ask him two questions right after I read that:

1) Did you actually use the Dry paint to drybrush?

and

2) Did you have something to stir the "uneven" textured paint with?

1)I did drybrush with the drybrush paint, it does its job but it leaves chunks, basically practice, if dry brushing is your thing, they are useless in every other regard.

2)I did and applied it to a blank base and it was uneven and chunky, basically requiring repeated coats and even then it looked like crap. Its litterally sand and paint.... feel free to try it now if you wish.

What is the difference to texture painting bases, and shoving sand or grass on them? That, I feel is an important question...

Cameron Baum wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:

Altruizine wrote:Yeah. I wanted to ask him two questions right after I read that:

1) Did you actually use the Dry paint to drybrush?

and

2) Did you have something to stir the "uneven" textured paint with?

1)I did drybrush with the drybrush paint, it does its job but it leaves chunks, basically practice, if dry brushing is your thing, they are useless in every other regard.

2)I did and applied it to a blank base and it was uneven and chunky, basically requiring repeated coats and even then it looked like crap. Its litterally sand and paint.... feel free to try it now if you wish.

What is the difference to texture painting bases, and shoving sand or grass on them? That, I feel is an important question...

Coverage, putting glue down first then sanding it covers the entire thing, the texture paint clumps up and needs to dry before applying a second coat. Its faster to just throw sand down on glue and wait the 30 minutes for it to be dry enough before you throw on Argax Earthshade aka Devlan mud.

Ravenous D wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

Spoiler:

Yeah. I wanted to ask him two questions right after I read that:

1) Did you actually use the Dry paint to drybrush?

and

2) Did you have something to stir the "uneven" textured paint with?

1)I did drybrush with the drybrush paint, it does its job but it leaves chunks, basically practice, if dry brushing is your thing, they are useless in every other regard.

2)I did and applied it to a blank base and it was uneven and chunky, basically requi]ring repeated coats and even then it looked like crap. Its litterally sand and paint.... feel free to try it now if you wish.

I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

This sounds entirely believable.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

So does that mean we'll eventually see an entire new paint range on the market, using GWs 'current' names, from that manufacturer? That would be hilarious.

Cruentus wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

So does that mean we'll eventually see an entire new paint range on the market, using GWs 'current' names, from that manufacturer? That would be hilarious.

heh, in dropper bottles to boot? Because why not.
=P

Bought up the last two bottles of mechrite red and hawk turquoise at my FLGS for my Hive Fleet Behemoth army thats in various stages of completion.

Are those two colors staying the same or will they have new names as well?

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

I have refrained from say it, but... Sorry, I can't stop myself any more.

Where are GW hiring their managers from? NHS hospitals?

Seriously, I've worked in the NHS for over four years, and this is exactly what I would expect from them. Only my bosses can spend allocated money to start a project, only to have planning problems with the Council later on. Thus creating a Road to Nowhere. And Waaagh Gonads has given a reason that smacks of this. Truly mind blowing.

Cruentus wrote:

Spoiler:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I spoke yesterday to a source in Nottingham and he said that the reason the whole range has been changed (names and all) is that some clown in GW legal when drafting the last contract to outsource the paint manufacture managed to transfer the rights to the names to the outsourced manufacturer.

Not a problem until GW came back to renegotiate a new contract and the other company demanded a bucket of money (millions of pounds).

So GW changed the names of their entire line and to disguise their ineptitude added in a heap more colours (they were planning on doing it but this sped up the arrival).

Also there are supposed to be pigment changes thanks to new manufacturer as people have discussed earlier RE: differing shades of ultramarine blue over the years.

So does that mean we'll eventually see an entire new paint range on the market, using GWs 'current' names, from that manufacturer? That would be hilarious.

And a good strategy. Because they have all the right formulas, AND THE NAMES. So what is to stop them from whacking out the old range under their banner with all the old names? None. And then, we have the fun debate as to how many customers would go with that range, because it is the the range they are used to and happy with?



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Bluetau wrote:Bought up the last two bottles of mechrite red and hawk turquoise at my FLGS for my Hive Fleet Behemoth army thats in various stages of completion.

Are those two colors staying the same or will they have new names as well?

New names, new formulas...

Cameron Baum wrote:
New names, new formulas...

ugh better go find any other bottles

Bluetau wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
New names, new formulas...

ugh better go find any other bottles

If it helps, there is a paint compatibility guide in the Articles section. Compares GW paints to other companies. Vallejo has good copies of the whole range, including discontinued colours. And there is al alternative to Hawk Turquoise listed.

Cameron Baum wrote:

Bluetau wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
New names, new formulas...

ugh better go find any other bottles

If it helps, there is a paint compatibility guide in the Articles section. Compares GW paints to other companies. Vallejo has good copies of the whole range, including discontinued colours. And there is al alternative to Hawk Turquoise listed.

Ill check that out, I should be okay on paint for the time being, as I promised myself all 60 of my gaunts and stealers were getting painted before I buy anything else. And Im not talking a rush job either 3 color tabletop standard here lol. Quite daunting staring at all of them laying in the foam.

The new GW paint supplier is a company based in Manchester, UK and not Michagan, US as previously rumoured.

I strongly suggest that everyone gives these new paints a go before calling it the end of the world as you may well be surprised.

As far as I'm aware these paints have been specifically designed to be used straight from the pot and actually work very well without the need for water or Medium. I know that sounds strange, but they have very good pigmentation and are of a consistency that creates excellent flow and doesn't dry too quickly that you are able to move paint around on the model as not to lose detail if applied too liberally.

The pots will all eventually have a piece of plastic on the lid (called a sharkfin I believe) which keeps the lid open when in use.

Also have it on good authority that the Base paint 'Ceramite White' actually covers extremely well when painted over a black basecoat. This is one of the 'tests' GW have used to demonstrate the new range, as we all know that White can be a difficult colour.

I have heard really good things so far, so again I think you should all take the time to have a go with them when released and make up youre minds that way.

Just a thought.....

Bluetau wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:

Bluetau wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:
New names, new formulas...

Spoiler:

ugh better go find any other bottles

If it helps, there is a paint compatibility guide in the Articles section. Compares GW paints to other companies. Vallejo has good copies of the whole range, including discontinued colours. And there is al alternative to Hawk Turquoise listed.

The chart shows a Vallejo replacement so ill have to look into that.

The Decapitator wrote:The new GW paint supplier is a company based in Manchester, UK and not Michagan, US as previously rumoured.

I strongly suggest that everyone gives these new paints a go before calling it the end of the world as you may well be surprised.

As far as I'm aware these paints have been specifically designed to be used straight from the pot and actually work very well without the need for water or Medium. I know that sounds strange, but they have very good pigmentation and are of a consistency that creates excellent flow and doesn't dry too quickly that you are able to move paint around on the model as not to lose detail if applied too liberally.

The pots will all eventually have a piece of plastic on the lid (called a sharkfin I believe) which keeps the lid open when in use.

Also have it on good authority that the Base paint 'Ceramite White' actually covers extremely well when painted over a black basecoat. This is one of the 'tests' GW have used to demonstrate the new range, as we all know that White can be a difficult colour.

I have heard really good things so far, so again I think you should all take the time to have a go with them when released and make up youre minds that way.

Just a thought.....

Well, I'd be interested in knowing where you got Manchester from.

As for the rest... it is a lot of Deja Vu. Lots of people have been saying "give the paints a go," not realising that a new paint manufacturer means different colours. Seriously. I mean, a few hours ago, I posted up on Ultramarine, because we had a comment on different shades not being important for the average gamer.

As for what you say, we've had people post up about the paints who have in the flesh used them. So we are getting a good idea about things already, first hand.

And as for using straight out the pot... I do that a lot anyway. I can't see much difference in watering down and using neat, to be honest.


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Bluetau wrote:The chart shows a Vallejo replacement so ill have to look into that.

Remember, they are not a perfect match, because it is a different company. But it'll be very close, based on all the comments about Vallejo that has been posted up here, by people who have fielded the paints themselves.

A little late to the party, but I am happy that it looks like the Dark Angles got another clue towards being in the starter set.

Still sticking with my early prediction of "Project Prisoner" theory of being a Dark Angel vs. Fallen/CSM starter set with a "catch the fallen/protect the prisoner" storyline. Crossing my fingers.

d-usa wrote:A little late to the party, but I am happy that it looks like the Dark Angles got another clue towards being in the starter set.

Still sticking with my early prediction of "Project Prisoner" theory of being a Dark Angel vs. Fallen/CSM starter set with a "catch the fallen/protect the prisoner" storyline. Crossing my fingers.

methinks you posted in the wrong thread. This thread is about paint, not the 6th edition starter set.

Great...only a week after I FINALLY get the layer for my SW correct *Had to mix my own to get it just right* GW decide to bring out 5-6 new greyish blue paints that would suit me perfect....


*sigh*

Aerethan wrote:

d-usa wrote:A little late to the party, but I am happy that it looks like the Dark Angles got another clue towards being in the starter set.

Still sticking with my early prediction of "Project Prisoner" theory of being a Dark Angel vs. Fallen/CSM starter set with a "catch the fallen/protect the prisoner" storyline. Crossing my fingers.

methinks you posted in the wrong thread. This thread is about paint, not the 6th edition starter set.

Opps

I had both threads open with both of them having the picture with the leaked starter set. Clicked on the wrong tab

has anyone figured out what the new name of each of the old paints is gonna be.............would love to know what my favorite paints have been renamed