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treadhead1944 wrote:I have a slight case of TL;DR... Was the company in Michigan that is making the new paints named? As I live in MI, and am unemployed ATM, I might drop a resume (CV) off.

I dug around, and this is where I saw the info...

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/new-range-of-citadel-paint-spotted.html

Best I can come up with, I'm afraid...


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Brother Weasel wrote:

Cameron Baum wrote:words

While i understand your points... i do not fault them for making a paint change... unless the paint turns out to be poor quality (which i doubt)... at some point, if they want to advance their paint (and i don't fool myself to think that everyone will think it's better, even if it's liquid gold).. at some point it has to change...

You know that liquid gold is another name for poppers, right? Doubt GW will be selling them, somehow... Particularly with the kids in the store. Still, they'd have smiles on their faces...

And at some point, I have to change my paints. May as well be now.


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Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

*stares at the screen*

And so it begins. The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote...

Time to stock up on Foundations... Right up.

Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

How did you manage that? haha

Will it be completely different paints?
If so, Im afraid and going to cry..

thenoobbomb wrote:Will it be completely different paints?
If so, Im afraid and going to cry..

As has already been stated in this thread, GW are switching their paint supplier to a different manufacturer, which is at least in part some of the reason behind this change. Obviously, I would imagine they are going to try and match colours to their existing range as much as possible. However, even with the best intentions, there is bound to be some discrepancies - it's inevitable when paints are produced by two different companies. I suppose GW are making up for this by adding in more colours and so forth.

BramGaunt wrote:I'd like to throw in that there will be slightly redesigned pots that stay open =)

Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

We'll have to wait and see, and get a few more people to comment on actual trials, but... this is bad news.

I've switched mostly to Vallejo, but there are some key GW Paints and Washes I still use.

This is... troubling.

Cameron Baum wrote:*le snip*

Leigen_Zero wrote:I'm not really sure what the fuss is about. All they seem to have done is change the names (mostly) to names that are easier for them to sue over in a IP case.

I'm quite interested in the textured and drybrush-focused paints, might be quite interesting to dabble with

Otherwise, the 'main' paints seem essentially the same

The paints are all changing. New company, new formulas. Even if it is the same colour. The new company can't use the old formula, because that is a breach of trademark, or something to that effect. They could back-engineer a similar colour, with their materials and techniques, but it'd be different in the end.

Yeah but let's face it, as long as the 'new' blood red is about 80% accurate to the old blood red, a good 70% of gamers aren't going to give a damn, especially the target market of little-johnny-impulse-buy. I can appreciate that differences in shade may result in frustration for people who paint to GD standards and commission painters, but you're average gamer is largely unaffected.

Unless the quality really has been compromised, in which case, we're all affected.

Well, if you use GW paints, of course!

Looks like the announcement is live on the "What's New today" part of Games-workshop.com

145 paints was pretty much foretold on warseer last time I saw it. Lets hope for some new pots!

stubacca wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

How did you manage that? haha

Right place at the right time. The other paints I tried was the Dry Underhive Ash, which has the consistancy of mashed potatoes (the thick kind, not whipped), and Texture Armageddon Dust which was so uneven Im not entirely sure what exactly the purpose of the texture paints is other then for total noobs, but like I said, Im sure there will be a cheap art trick to be used with them somehow.

Back to Mephiston red, its brighter then mechrite and redgore but darker then blood red, its a really awesome colour, its basically the same red Ive always ended up with 4 stages and a wash so its nice, however, it is NOT a foundation, they are in the normal bottles and dont have the weird black crap that all the foundations have, so as far as I can tell the Base paints are just dark colours and just named that for the dummies that cant figure out Dark to Light. I still have to try the shades and glazes to make sure they are the same but so far all the standard stuff is good minus the possibility that the foundation line is gone, I'll keep trying stuff and see if Ceramite White is actually the godsend everyone hopes it is.

There is also a crap ton of Cards with models on them with complete breakdowns and new red painting demo tables, most GW stores should have them today by 2pm, if your Local GW manager is not a complete sell out Im sure you can check them out, 3 days wont kill anyone.

Ravenous D wrote:

stubacca wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

How did you manage that? haha

Right place at the right time. The other paints I tried was the Dry Underhive Ash, which has the consistancy of mashed potatoes (the thick kind, not whipped), and Texture Armageddon Dust which was so uneven Im not entirely sure what exactly the purpose of the texture paints is other then for total noobs, but like I said, Im sure there will be a cheap art trick to be used with them somehow.

Back to Mephiston red, its brighter then mechrite and redgore but darker then blood red, its a really awesome colour, its basically the same red Ive always ended up with 4 stages and a wash so its nice, however, it is NOT a foundation, they are in the normal bottles and dont have the weird black crap that all the foundations have, so as far as I can tell the Base paints are just dark colours and just named that for the dummies that cant figure out Dark to Light. I still have to try the shades and glazes to make sure they are the same but so far all the standard stuff is good minus the possibility that the foundation line is gone, I'll keep trying stuff and see if Ceramite White is actually the godsend everyone hopes it is.

There is also a crap ton of Cards with models on them with complete breakdowns and new red painting demo tables, most GW stores should have them today by 2pm, if your Local GW manager is not a complete sell out Im sure you can check them out, 3 days wont kill anyone.

Textured paint is usely used in basing miniatures.

It also sounds like the dry paints have a good consistency for well... dry brushing. XD
If that's what you were trying to do with it, then I'm at a lost. lol

Texture paints are also usually used for painting buildings or terrain.

Could be interesting, but most likely it will be the red-headed stepchild of the range.

It looks increasingly like those who wish to use the new GW paints will in fact have to go through a whole new learning process about which paints are good at what etc, which would I imagine be a mighty old pain in the neck if you want to use the new GW paints.
The other options are to wait watch and read and learn from others who trial it first and write up their feedback, or to use another company.
Vallejo seem to the favoured default option.
I wonder if army painter are worth a look now?
Foundry are still mightyily expensive.
Cote d'Arms are still excellent and still do the old school ealy 90's GW paint that doesn't dry up.

Any clue as to what Iyanden Darksun will be.

Lockark wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:

stubacca wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:Also all the GW stores are getting the demos of the new paints tomorrow, and will be shown off starting the 24th.

I got to use some today and Mephiston red is a pretty slick red but it sure in hell isnt a foundation, As for the dry and texture paint? Complete Garbage, Im sure there is a use for it for something but it sucks.

How did you manage that? haha

Right place at the right time. The other paints I tried was the Dry Underhive Ash, which has the consistancy of mashed potatoes (the thick kind, not whipped), and Texture Armageddon Dust which was so uneven Im not entirely sure what exactly the purpose of the texture paints is other then for total noobs, but like I said, Im sure there will be a cheap art trick to be used with them somehow.

Back to Mephiston red, its brighter then mechrite and redgore but darker then blood red, its a really awesome colour, its basically the same red Ive always ended up with 4 stages and a wash so its nice, however, it is NOT a foundation, they are in the normal bottles and dont have the weird black crap that all the foundations have, so as far as I can tell the Base paints are just dark colours and just named that for the dummies that cant figure out Dark to Light. I still have to try the shades and glazes to make sure they are the same but so far all the standard stuff is good minus the possibility that the foundation line is gone, I'll keep trying stuff and see if Ceramite White is actually the godsend everyone hopes it is.

There is also a crap ton of Cards with models on them with complete breakdowns and new red painting demo tables, most GW stores should have them today by 2pm, if your Local GW manager is not a complete sell out Im sure you can check them out, 3 days wont kill anyone.

Textured paint is usely used in basing miniatures.

It also sounds like the dry paints have a good consistency for well... dry brushing. XD
If that's what you were trying to do with it, then I'm at a lost. lol

Yeah. I wanted to ask him two questions right after I read that:

1) Did you actually use the Dry paint to drybrush?

and

2) Did you have something to stir the "uneven" textured paint with?

Deadshot wrote:Any clue as to what Iyanden Darksun will be.

Yriel Yellow.

I cleaned out my FLGS of Badab Black and Devlan Mud yesterday as well on stocking up on all the basics like Chaos Black/Skull White etc recently so looking forward to the new paints now.

Kanluwen wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Any clue as to what Iyanden Darksun will be.

Yriel Yellow.

Cheers lad. Went to.my local GW to get a pot which were sold out. Asked a staff member and s/he said that they wern't getting new paint till saturday so I could get Iyanden then. By the sound out it, the new paint range was above their pay. Or else they were a great bluffer.


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Also, will Yriel Yellow be a BASE or LAYER.

Layer.

Kan - do you have a conversion chart already up and running?

Kind of/sort of.

I wrote up a big thing the other day when Ravenous D was making it seem like they were worried about hosting them on their Photobucket.

The majority of the paint names, however, are actually for lack of a better term "faction coded".
Yriel Yellow is the same shade as Iyanden Darksun, most interestingly because when comparing the swatch shade it's the same as a swatch shade I have for Iyanden Darksun--and Yriel is in fact considered an "Iyanden" character.

* sigh* just when Tin bitz came back...

Edit is a Shade a wash?

Why would Yriel Yellow be a counterpart for Iyanden Darksun when it is listed as a layer colour? Presumably the Foundation Paint equivalents will be listed as 'Base' colours?

Tin Bitz, from my own estimation, is Warplock Brown.


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filbert wrote:Why would Yriel Yellow be a counterpart for Iyanden Darksun when it is listed as a layer colour? Presumably the Foundation Paint equivalents will be listed as 'Base' colours?

That's what I thought too originally--but from what Ravenous D says, the Base paints have the same coverage as the rest of the line with no real "Foundation Paints".

So why go to all the time and effort of researching and developing the Foundation Paints, as well as the pots (which preceded the rest of the range switching to the 'domed' pot) only to dump it a short time later? The Foundation Paints are fairly recent, unless my memory is playing tricks, and one of the better aspects of the GW paint range (at least IMO - I think they are great). Seems bizarre to junk them totally...

hmmm, I like the foundation paints (think they were 2007?), still using the box set i bought years back (although I do thin them alot!).

I love the P3 paints too, and Vallejo. I ideally would like them to keep the washes, and the Foundations. Everything else, phfft don't care really.

They need to stop dicking with the paints and square away some codexes, this smacks of Fiddling whilst Rome burned.

It puzzles the hell out of me too, Filbert. Maybe it just has something to do with the manufacturer?

Well, quote from Kroot's first post:

straightsilver wrote:I have heard that the new Citadel Paints will be the high density pigment variety, so very similar to the current line of P3 paints.

They have a much better coverage over black undercoat and the colours are more vibrant, especially on reds and yellows.

I suppose they could be considered halfway between a foundation paint and the current ones.

I guess this is the answer. Hopefully the new Base colours will be as effective as the old Foundation ones. Thankfully, I have enough Foundation paints to last me for a while.

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filbert wrote:Well, quote from Kroot's first post:

straightsilver wrote:I have heard that the new Citadel Paints will be the high density pigment variety, so very similar to the current line of P3 paints.

They have a much better coverage over black undercoat and the colours are more vibrant, especially on reds and yellows.

I suppose they could be considered halfway between a foundation paint and the current ones.

I guess this is the answer. Hopefully the new Base colours will be as effective as the old Foundation ones. Thankfully, I have enough Foundation paints to last me for a while.

Side note: Ive been using the non -metallic P3 paints as my 'foundation' paint for a few years. It covers really well and lends itself to a nice new shade.

Oh, Mwnciboo:
The "Shades" do appear to be the crop of current Washes, with a few more added in. The photos showed them as having this strange translucent quality to the color swatches, which they only have on that same poster for the "Glazes".