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Well, I assume they are fast with the Baal Overcharged Engines rule, which means they can stall out.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Well, I assume they are fast with the Baal Overcharged Engines rule, which means they can stall out.

Maybe that's what he meant. Dunno, though. I'm still somewhat dubious of the "there's no art" claim too.

Gornall wrote:

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Well, I assume they are fast with the Baal Overcharged Engines rule, which means they can stall out.

Maybe that's what he meant. Dunno, though. I'm still somewhat dubious of the "there's no art" claim too.

lol up to you guys... my 2nd trip to the GW store... only the rhino variants have fast that means Baals, vindicators and the like... btw, the Baal has scout as well, come release could all the guys who cried BS pls be ready for a huge "i told ya so"

just go to your local store that gets a pre-release black box and you'll see so

Fast or Overcharged Engines?

Gornall wrote:Fast or Overcharged Engines?

just fast... sad yet true... they cost more though

Sorry... not biting. I could see more expensive Rhinos with Fast (maybe even Baal Preds), but not Fast Vindicators.

Feel free to say "I told you so." if I'm wrong, but I'm still not buying it unless there is something else you're not saying.

Fetterkey wrote:

Scarella wrote:Unfortunately, there's no artwork nor pic of the elusive StormRaven... it was the first thing I looked for in the dex, then the pretty colored pics just took over...

Hmm. Doesn't every new Codex have an picture-- even if it's just a drawing-- of every unit? I'm a little suspicious of this.

QFT

However, I do believe we will see a Thunderhawk this year, I think the assult style of BA would be perfect for such a release, but normally they would hype such a release, but again with the possibility that they released a fake codex... Maybe they are that sly...?

okies... i'll post a pic of me with the dex tom... stay tuned

Scarella wrote:okies... i'll post a pic of me with the dex tom... stay tuned

If you're gonna do that, at least get some of the good details...

How about a break down of the force org chart?

What are the troop options, elite options, fast attack, etc ..

Gornall wrote:

Scarella wrote:okies... i'll post a pic of me with the dex tom... stay tuned

If you're gonna do that, at least get some of the good details...

erm, that's all the shop will perhaps let me get away with, taking pics of the pages is a no-no, and it is a GW store we are talking about... but frankly just wait till the release if you need to see for yourselves... I was definitely disappointed there was no pic of the Storm Raven...

Apparently, OCE makes a tank Fast. Simple and elegant.

Scarella wrote:
erm, that's all the shop will perhaps let me get away with, taking pics of the pages is a no-no, and it is a GW store we are talking about... but frankly just wait till the release if you need to see for yourselves... I was definitely disappointed there was no pic of the Storm Raven...

Hey all we need to sing your hosannas across the internets is a cell phone pic of the codex cover or something to that effect. Preferably with something semi distinct in the frame.

Jack

So just the rhino variants get the fast rule? What do land raiders get?

With the Machine Spirit they need the upgrade less, as they can keep pace with fast vehicles for the most part (i.e. both can move 12 inches and shoot one weapon).

Jack

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:So just the rhino variants get the fast rule? What do land raiders get?

The land raiders are listed under dedicated transports now... insane isn't it

Stay tuned for more news and possibly pics tom folks...

Redemption wrote:I'm afraid the codex you're reading is pretty much guaranteed to be the fandex circling the web for a while.

In light of the most recent actual Codex sightings (along with GW's action at WarSeer), it's pretty obvious that the PDF Codex in now confirmed (as I surmised) ) as an official GW playtest Codex in near-final form from a rules standpoint.

Can someone in possession of the playtest Codex give us the differences between it and the actual Codex?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Land Raiders as Dedicated Transpo? Oh sweet heaven!

With all the sweet stuff they moved to Heavy support it practically needs to be...but its high point cost will still keep it in limited quantity in any case.

But it will be nice to field a Lucifer Armoured Strike force as a legal 40k army

Jack

It's pretty much the only way LRs get taken anyways...

When was the last time you saw LRs taken as a full Heavy slot?

And besides, at full SM prices (due to PotMS bumping the cost), and competing with dirt cheap Fast Rhinos or Fast Skimmer Transports, I'm not really worried about BA LR spam being a huge problem.

The only real question is whether BA Rhinos will get Assault Launchers of some form.

I wish we had some pics so me sitting here pleasuring myself to these rumors would be a little more justified.

Holy crap, I'm so excited! I want to buy now, buy now. That's sucks that only. Gamesworkshop stores get the black box. I have a store, in whittier and I only sell gamesworshop. But I don't get black boxes. I wish I could, I have a blood angels army, I'm going nuts here can't wait!!

Shameless GW is shameless, when will it end? I'm upset about this Lander thing, as if it wasn't bad enough this IG guy I play brings 3 vendetta to a 1,000 point game I'm going to have to worry about these f'ing things dropping guys all over the place. That and fast vindicators.

I'm going to sit this out until my Chaos codex gets something right.

But all luck to Blood Angels players, because if this is lander thing is coming just imagine the skimmers DE will have: FA 13 SA 12 BA 11, 5 twin linked dark lances and 30 splinter rifle fire points.

Oh how I will rue the day.

Sounds like the 30 man squad of Death Company is true too.

Even if they are 30 or 40 pnts each it will be fun to play with.

Some guy who beefs near by units and a 30 man DC.. yeah.. i'll have fun with that.

Might just be a few points left over to run some fast rhinos as moving cover.

DC can't score though... and the Raven Storm is under Heavy Support strange as it may seem.

What else is it competing with?

Fast scouting Baal preds

Fast Vindicators

Did they even include the whirlwind?

Devastators, probably got some longfang treatment.

This lander can be powerful, while not game breaking it will be really annoying.

anything else? Is it fast at all?

The fast scouting scouting Baals are under FA now.

Heavy Support I recall are Dreadnoughts, Devastators, Raven Storm, Whirlwind, Vindicator. I'll confirm tom if there are Thunderfire cannons or other units listed under Heavy Support.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Redemption wrote:I'm afraid the codex you're reading is pretty much guaranteed to be the fandex circling the web for a while.

In light of the most recent actual Codex sightings (along with GW's action at WarSeer), it's pretty obvious that the PDF Codex in now confirmed (as I surmised) ) as an official GW playtest Codex in near-final form from a rules standpoint.

Can someone in possession of the playtest Codex give us the differences between it and the actual Codex?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Nah, the PDF is very different to the current rumours. No Sanguinairy Guard, no Hand Flamers, no Flamestom Cannon turret, no wrist mounted weapons, Librarian and regular Dreadnoughts in different FoC slots, wrong name on the lander and wrong loadout and FoC slot, Landraider in different FoC slot, Baal Pred in different FoC slot with different weapon options and no scout, ect, ect...

Not to mention, the author of the fandex has actually said it was one. :p

..Stormraven eh ?

Ha.

If you get the chance try and dig up how the hand flamers work will you please.

I can only concur with regards as to the beauty of the character models, first glimpse of Astorath had me sold.

IIRC the hand flamers were Str 3 Ap6, flamer... but I'll check tom... since I'll take my turn at making a list with the new models