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2011/04/19 04:28:12
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
The Metal Tide wrote:I read a rumor that the basic Necron Warrior was getting a Toughness boost to 5. If this is the case then what would be the point of an Immortal. 'The gun' (Gauss Blaster) yes but if that was the case wouldn't you just make it a Warrior upgrade instead of a completely different model.
That would be insane. I find that incredibly unlikely.
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2011/04/19 04:41:05
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
The Metal Tide wrote:I read a rumor that the basic Necron Warrior was getting a Toughness boost to 5. If this is the case then what would be the point of an Immortal. 'The gun' (Gauss Blaster) yes but if that was the case wouldn't you just make it a Warrior upgrade instead of a completely different model.
That would be insane. I find that incredibly unlikely.
Ya having your main troops all toughness 5 would be uber broken. Whats a space marine? lol
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2011/04/19 05:14:07
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
The Metal Tide wrote:I read a rumor that the basic Necron Warrior was getting a Toughness boost to 5. If this is the case then what would be the point of an Immortal. 'The gun' (Gauss Blaster) yes but if that was the case wouldn't you just make it a Warrior upgrade instead of a completely different model.
Well they could possibly make them two Wounds. Unlikly but if they are making them bigger and badder, then maybe...
Tomb King wrote:Ya having your main troops all toughness 5 would be uber broken.
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2011/04/19 05:19:31
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Well IMO if they cant really hold their own in combat then they should be made more durable in one way or another
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2011/04/19 05:20:47
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
kenzosan wrote:yea, but half the junk in there is...junk
Well, since there isn't any new Necron news anyway, I'm curious. Which battleforce, specifically, is 50% junk? I've only gotten the Chaos\SM\Ork\Necron battleforces, so my experience isn't that broad, but each box I got seemed like a great way to get the basics for starting an army.
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2011/04/19 05:26:07
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Eldar IMO is 50% junk as the things you get need to be accompanied by other Aspect Warriors
And just a quick word: If warriors weren't made T5 or 2W then what about making them S5 so in combat they at least have a chance.
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2011/04/19 05:47:57
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Ouze wrote:I'm curious why you think a new battleforce would be worse, though. I don't know of any recent precedent for that.
He probbably thinks it due to what happened with the Tomb Kings batallion.
Did the Tomb Kings batallion get worse.
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2011/04/19 06:06:26
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
The Metal Tide wrote:Nids is a good battleforce to start off a swarm.
Eldar IMO is 50% junk as the things you get need to be accompanied by other Aspect Warriors
And just a quick word: If warriors weren't made T5 or 2W then what about making them S5 so in combat they at least have a chance.
They have a Marine statline minus the initiative, they can hold their own pretty well vs standard enemy units. Hell, even win combats you didn't think could happen. Making them t5 isn't going to happen nor any other crazy gimmick idea.
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2011/04/19 06:06:48
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Thats gota suck for Tomb Kings players/those wishing to start one. The Nid battleforce went from $173 NZD to $195 NZD or $135 USD to $152 USD
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I didn't say it was going to happen all i am saying is that it would be nice/beneficial if the Necrons got a combat boost of some kind.
and the toughness 5 was a rumor i read and even to me it didn't really seem true.
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2011/04/19 06:42:10
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
The Metal Tide wrote:Thats gota suck for Tomb Kings players/those wishing to start one. The Nid battleforce went from $173 NZD to $195 NZD or $135 USD to $152 USD
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I didn't say it was going to happen all i am saying is that it would be nice/beneficial if the Necrons got a combat boost of some kind.
and the toughness 5 was a rumor i read and even to me it didn't really seem true.
Your listings of wishes are not welcome in the realm of rumors. This is why we can't have nice things.
2011/04/19 08:43:44
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Ouze wrote:Well, technically every battleforce is a bargain, because they all come with more then $90 worth of stuff. I'm curious why you think a new battleforce would be worse, though. I don't know of any recent precedent for that.
The Blood Angel Battleforce is 10 pounds more expensive than the SM battleforce for 10 pounds less kits.
The new Tomb Kings battleforce has 9 pounds more Skeletons but costs 20 pounds more than the previous version.
At the moment, the Necron Battleforce offers the best points-for-pounds value of all Battleforces. If the Destroyer gets recut, and the Necrons get a new Battleforce with the recut sprues, the savings are going to be reduced by at least 10 pounds.
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2011/04/19 08:57:05
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Based on reading Fall of Damnos it seems the following could be happening:
Spoiler:
Different levels of Lords
Some sort of tweak to WBB. The warriors in the book are described as wethering insane amounts of fire and also comgin back. So maybe WBB with a toughness boost to T5?
Some sort of retinue for Lords based on the Pariah (although they described as having a Glaive rather than a warscythe
Immortal weapons in the book are described as "rapid fire"
Gausss weapons are described as pretty much evaporating SM armour. So maybe a lower AP but keep the same strength for woudnign purposes?
Necrons warriors are referred to in the book as "Slow and Purposeful"
Necron Artillary may be coming. The book has an artillary piece called a Gauss Obliterator
In close combat the necrons are still slower but seem to be generally stronger than marines? Maybe a boost to S5 for Elites and up if not for warriors?
The book descibed warriors killed by a power sword re-appearing through a 'lith portal. Could this just be artistic license or could the 'lith portal actually act as a Res Orb?!
Praxiss wrote:Based on reading Fall of Damnos it seems the following could be happening:
Spoiler:
Different levels of Lords
Some sort of tweak to WBB. The warriors in the book are described as wethering insane amounts of fire and also comgin back. So maybe WBB with a toughness boost to T5?
Some sort of retinue for Lords based on the Pariah (although they described as having a Glaive rather than a warscythe
Immortal weapons in the book are described as "rapid fire"
Gausss weapons are described as pretty much evaporating SM armour. So maybe a lower AP but keep the same strength for woudnign purposes?
Necrons warriors are referred to in the book as "Slow and Purposeful"
Necron Artillary may be coming. The book has an artillary piece called a Gauss Obliterator
In close combat the necrons are still slower but seem to be generally stronger than marines? Maybe a boost to S5 for Elites and up if not for warriors?
The book descibed warriors killed by a power sword re-appearing through a 'lith portal. Could this just be artistic license or could the 'lith portal actually act as a Res Orb?!
Spoiler:
1. There weren't so much different levels of Lords, just the Royarch and then his attendants of the Royal House. It's nowhere near as defined as Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze (A system I disliked anyway). Also, I don't think Ankh, the Cryptek, was a Lord as such, he was stated to not be a member of the Royal House, rather a servant elevated to higher levels.
2. I think the amount of firepower a Necron Warrior can take is about the same as it's always been, T4 is still incredibly resilient.
3. Agreed with the retinue, I rather hope it happens
4. Assault 2 is still rapid-fire, just without the rule. A minigun could be described as rapid-fire, because it's firing... rapidly, but in 40K terms you'd still make it a Heavy 3 or something.
5. To achieve the affect in the book, Gauss weapons will either be made Rending (Very likely) or AP 3 (Not so likely).
6. Definitely agree with the slow and purposeful, which will be both a boon and a bane, but Necrons aren't meant to be charging rapidly anyway, a slow movement is fine if it comes with relentless.
7. I highly doubt we'll actually get the Gauss Obliterator, 'cos isn't that the weapon that took out the Nobilis in one shot, taking 12,381 lives in one go?
8. Again, S5 seems like too much. It could happen, but I'm not expecting it.
9. Probably just artistic license, there, as the only mention of a resurrection orb in the entire book is very different to the current incarnation in the game. Maybe that restriction will be removed but we can only WBB on a 5+ or something.
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2011/04/19 09:15:43
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
It's possible that 6th Edition is going to fix S+P to make it actually purposeful: a constant 4" move instead of D6", for example. If not, giving the Necrons S+P would suck.
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2011/04/19 09:17:25
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
AlexHolker wrote:It's possible that 6th Edition is going to fix S+P to make it actually purposeful: a constant 4" move instead of D6", for example. If not, giving the Necrons S+P would suck.
I'd expect it to be even harsher than that, something like 3" movement and never allowed to run.
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2011/04/19 09:21:40
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Cutting the movement seems very harsh indeed. I would go with max of 6" movement, plus relentless. but can never run and does not gain a bonus attack for charging.
Praxiss wrote:Cutting the movement seems very harsh indeed. I would go with max of 6" movement, plus relentless. but can never run and does not gain a bonus attack for charging.
That doesn't seem harsh enough though. When I use my Necrons, I never run, only move 6", and CC doesn't really happen, so I'd be getting relentless for free.
So yeah, I hope they do that
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2011/04/19 09:26:21
Subject: Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
It kind of depends on what else they do to the army. if they increase the toughness and make them harder to taker down, then a movement of only 3" wouldn't be that bad as you coudl still actually get there.
Relentless isnt that bad but it would hinder mobility even more having a smaller movement and no transport vehicles.
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2011/04/19 10:59:41
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Concerning the really powerful weapon in the Fall of Damnos:
Spoiler:
The Guass Obliterater has already been mentioned in the Apoc. expansion for 40K as being the combined firepower of a Doomsday Monolith, an yeah, that stuff is powerful. It gets the really large blast and an extra one for each 'Lith near it
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2011/04/19 11:09:42
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
Azure wrote:Concerning the really powerful weapon in the Fall of Damnos:
Spoiler:
The Guass Obliterater has already been mentioned in the Apoc. expansion for 40K as being the combined firepower of a Doomsday Monolith, an yeah, that stuff is powerful. It gets the really large blast and an extra one for each 'Lith near it
Spoiler:
Hmmm, the book seems to suggest that the blast from the Doomsday 'lith and the Gauss Obliterator artillary pieces are different things.
Also, someone mentioned the Obliterators being the thgins thast shot the ship out of Orbit. I thought it was the pylons that did that.
All this talk about S&P, I think if it fit one army it would be the Sisters of Battle. Stubborn and S&P fits the sisters pretty perfectly imo. Then again this view is probably biased from the Soulstorm intro.
As for necrons I'd say Fearless and Relentless would fit them better.
There does seem to be some rules changes for 6ed are in the works. Like in the DE codex the Talos has move through cover if I'm not mistaken but currently all MC have that. Will MTC be changed next edition or will MC simply lose it?
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MadCowCrazy wrote:All this talk about S&P, I think if it fit one army it would be the Sisters of Battle. Stubborn and S&P fits the sisters pretty perfectly imo. Then again this view is probably biased from the Soulstorm intro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZnpxEcdFgg
As for necrons I'd say Fearless and Relentless would fit them better.
There does seem to be some rules changes for 6ed are in the works. Like in the DE codex the Talos has move through cover if I'm not mistaken but currently all MC have that. Will MTC be changed next edition or will MC simply lose it?
I noticed that for the Forgeworld Tomb Stalker, too. I'm guessing MCs are gonna lose it.
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2011/04/19 17:51:01
Subject: Re:Necrons in July/August? - Rumors from Beasts of War
kenzosan wrote:cuz screw the nids, thats why. (in reference to mtc and mcs.)
I play against a Tyranid player regularly, I'd lvoe to see the look on his face when I told him that his Carnifex couldn't bash through trees any more
god i know right!
the only thing... this makes me mad, you know nids are getting another codex in 6th then to give all them mcs mtc instead of another army that should get it. realize im being pessimistic here but i hated the new nid codex, my friend did fine with them before in our 2k games and whenever we went down to the gw games, yet necrons, de, and tau remained un updated.
imo: tau, eldar, sisters, sm chapters (specifically ones from 4th and older)... basically anything pre 5th edition... necrons are obvious at this point.
on another note, anyone got on opinion of why necrons, de, witchhunters, and daemonhunters havent been updated till now? noone played the last 3 but necrons actually worked in 4th for the one guy that used em. the only opinion i ever got of wh, dh, and de was that they just get beat so no one uses em.
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instead of another army that should get it. realize im being pessimistic here but i hated the new nid codex, my friend did fine with them before in our 2k games and whenever we went down to the