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No, more bother than it's worth. An alliance will never happen.

iproxtaco wrote:No, more bother than it's worth. An alliance will never happen.

Alliance? The Eldar will just find a way to shoo the Tau away so they don't have to deal with them.

More bother than it's worth. What happens when the Tau start trying to order the Eldar around or subjugate them? It will not happen, trickery or none. The Eldar will never have any friendly relationships with the Tau.

Nerivant wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Which will never happen considering the Tau will try to incorporate the Eldar into the Greater Good, which the Eldar will resist, until they are destroyed.

The Eldar trick the Tau into thinking they already follow the Greater Good.

Or something. It's probably more likely than we think.

And of course, the thing that seals the deal:

If the extermination of the Tau will preserve a single Eldar life--the Eldar will not hesitate to let it happen.

iproxtaco wrote:Which will never happen considering the Tau will try to incorporate the Eldar into the Greater Good, which the Eldar will resist, until they are destroyed.

Well, despite the Tau being blissfully ignorant of half the galaxy and of the fact that ideals get you killed, I believe that they, being (almost definately) the most adaptable race will, well, adapt to being allies with equals.


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iproxtaco wrote:More bother than it's worth. What happens when the Tau start trying to order the Eldar around or subjugate them? It will not happen, trickery or none. The Eldar will never have any friendly relationships with the Tau.

Actually, Eldrad Ulthuan had a quote in the 3ed Tau codex that said he saw great potential in the Tau and wanted to help them reach their potential. he said he felt a fatherly protection towards them.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Which will never happen considering the Tau will try to incorporate the Eldar into the Greater Good, which the Eldar will resist, until they are destroyed.

Well, despite the Tau being blissfully ignorant of half the galaxy and of the fact that ideals get you killed, I believe that they, being (almost definately) the most adaptable race will, well, adapt to being allies with equals.

Which won't happen. They tried to force the Imperium into submission. A race which the knew was bigger and more powerful. They didn't just adapt then.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Actually, Eldrad Ulthuan had a quote in the 3ed Tau codex that said he saw great potential in the Tau and wanted to help them reach their potential. he said he felt a fatherly protection towards them.

Eldrad is far from representing the mindset of the majority of Eldar.

They would fail.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Which will never happen considering the Tau will try to incorporate the Eldar into the Greater Good, which the Eldar will resist, until they are destroyed.

Well, despite the Tau being blissfully ignorant of half the galaxy and of the fact that ideals get you killed, I believe that they, being (almost definately) the most adaptable race will, well, adapt to being allies with equals.

Which won't happen. They tried to force the Imperium into submission. A race which the knew was bigger and more powerful. They didn't just adapt then.

Yes, they actually did. Now the water caste fights their battles. Or have you not noticed how the Tau are able to straight up convince worlds to join their Empire?

agnosto wrote:what's yer point? Each faction has commited atrocities. Heck, the IoM makes killing all aliens a priority.

My point is that Tau are known by everybody for being "nice" and "good" and that they would never do this because of their grater good...
This show's that they are willing to kill everyone that does not succumb before the grater good. Not a very Tau like....

Nerivant wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Actually, Eldrad Ulthuan had a quote in the 3ed Tau codex that said he saw great potential in the Tau and wanted to help them reach their potential. he said he felt a fatherly protection towards them.

Eldrad is far from representing the mindset of the majority of Eldar.

But he, being the "leader" of his craft world, would pretty much ensure that if he were the one to meet with the Tau, it would be friendly. And I am fairly sure he could convince other Eldar of the purity of the Tau. They consider the Humans to be, relative to the other races they have encountered, good neighbors, and the Tau, being much less warlike, less inclined to random battles, more (infinitely) tolerant of races not their own. Not to mention they have never once been documented to be corrupted, which is a big deal considering Chaos is probably hated by the Eldar more than it is by the humans. Considering that, the Eldar would likely do whatever they could to have the Tau as their galactic neighbors.

That's not adapting in the sense you were talking about. You said that the Tau would adapt to see the Eldar as equals, and not as another race to subjugate. They came across the Imperium, an empire that they knew was bigger, more powerful and completely unwilling to join them. Did they adapt to see the Imperium as beyond their control? NO. They decided to use diplomats to undermine the outlying worlds loyalty, to supplant them and bribe them. The Tau wanted to subjugate the Imperium, and still want to.


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Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:what's yer point? Each faction has commited atrocities. Heck, the IoM makes killing all aliens a priority.

My point is that Tau are known by everybody for being "nice" and "good" and that they would never do this because of their grater good...
This show's that they are willing to kill everyone that does not succumb before the grater good. Not a very Tau like....

Actually, since it's cannon, it is now Tau-like.

Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:what's yer point? Each faction has commited atrocities. Heck, the IoM makes killing all aliens a priority.

My point is that Tau are known by everybody for being "nice" and "good" and that they would never do this because of their grater good...
This show's that they are willing to kill everyone that does not succumb before the grater good. Not a very Tau like....

This thread isn't really about if the tau are evil or not. Ya I know we get of track a lot, but I think the topic of Good & Evil in tau is it's own thread.

Eldrad, is one Eldar with one opinion, who didn't express or impress it to or on any other Eldar that we have knowledge of, and he is now not even around any more. That's your one Tau sympathiser gone.

*Sigh* I leave for a while, and come back, and people are spouting nonsense again.


Tau: Eldar Alliance: Quite possible, there are several fluff quotes more or less leaning in that direction.

What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass, if the Eldar start chucking Tau battlesuits out of webway gates. Tau seem much more numerous then eldar.

Tau killing everyone on Nimbosa: Not clear why this takes place. Or even if this takes place as claimed. After all, the IoM's policy on the first War of Armageddon is 'What First War?' quickly followed by a bolt to the head. I would not be surprised if any civvies that did survive the Tau invasion or, gasp, surrendered, were promptly eliminated by the invading Imperium, who then blamed the Tau.

Right, it looks bad on the Tau, so it now possibly never happened.
Ha.

BaronIveagh wrote:
What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass

Dude, Tau will in the end ally itself with IoM. And Imperium is changing to, accepting xeno aid and even helping aliens.

iproxtaco wrote:Eldrad, is one Eldar with one opinion, who didn't express or impress it to or on any other Eldar that we have knowledge of, and he is now not even around any more. That's your one Tau sympathiser gone.

There are a few more. I'm still digging around to find it, but there's another eldar one about the Tau being full of hope the 'likes of which the Eldar have not seen since the fall' that wasn't Eldrad.

Edit: found it

"However, the journey toward that distant end is one replete with the gossamer caress of hope and promise, a faint glimmer in an otherwise frigidly dark and unforgiving universe the likes of which has not been glimpsed since the Fall…" - Glébriwyn Tithrändil, Farseer of the Alaitoc Eldar

(BFG FAQ 2010)

Brother Coa wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass

Dude, Tau will in the end ally itself with IoM. And Imperium is changing to, accepting xeno aid and even helping aliens.

Yes, because recruiting Space Marines to receive specialized training to hunt down and neutralize non-human threats is a sure sign of growing xenos-tolerance.

BaronIveagh wrote:*Sigh* I leave for a while, and come back, and people are spouting nonsense again.


Tau: Eldar Alliance: Quite possible, there are several fluff quotes more or less leaning in that direction.

What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass, if the Eldar start chucking Tau battlesuits out of webway gates. Tau seem much more numerous then eldar.

Tau killing everyone on Nimbosa: Not clear why this takes place. Or even if this takes place as claimed. After all, the IoM's policy on the first War of Armageddon is 'What First War?' quickly followed by a bolt to the head. I would not be surprised if any civvies that did survive the Tau invasion or, gasp, surrendered, were promptly eliminated by the invading Imperium, who then blamed the Tau.

XV8s/XV9s/XV25/XV22/XV88s

all teleporting with webway portals...beautiful.

The Tau would no longer have the major disadvantage of slow FTL travel.

And if the two races started trading tech...Taudar FTW!

Meh, if fluff is to be gone by: Ulthewe and Alaitoc's leaderships are good with the Tau.

Remember Koloth Gorge!

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass

Dude, Tau will in the end ally itself with IoM. And Imperium is changing to, accepting xeno aid and even helping aliens.

Yes, because recruiting Space Marines to receive specialized training to hunt down and neutralize non-human threats is a sure sign of growing xenos-tolerance.

Malbrede, Malan'tai, Dolumar IV and countless other worlds are example of this. Inquisition even have alliance with few Eldar Craftworlds. And Imperium is fighting hard to keep peace with the Tau Empire.

I am saying that this input must be Imperium beginning of change.

Brother Coa wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
What would that mean for IoM? A much bigger pain in the ass

Dude, Tau will in the end ally itself with IoM. And Imperium is changing to, accepting xeno aid and even helping aliens.

Yes, because recruiting Space Marines to receive specialized training to hunt down and neutralize non-human threats is a sure sign of growing xenos-tolerance.

Malbrede, Malan'tai, Dolumar IV and countless other worlds are example of this. Inquisition even have alliance with few Eldar Craftworlds. And Imperium is fighting hard to keep peace with the Tau Empire.

I am saying that this input must be Imperium beginning of change.

The IoM doesn't ally. It fights alongside xenos for the duration of a battle then kills them.

It is not fighting hard for peace with the Tau, it is bust squashing bugs.

im2randomghgh wrote:

The IoM doesn't ally. It fights alongside xenos for the duration of a battle then kills them..

What about the Blood Angels and their new pals, the Necrons?

BaronIveagh wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

The IoM doesn't ally. It fights alongside xenos for the duration of a battle then kills them..

What about the Blood Angels and their new pals, the Necrons?

Matt Ward

im2randomghgh wrote:
Matt Ward

But that would take some sort of fluff butcher to... WAAAAAAAARD!

The Eldar would just as soon destroy the Tau as accept their help.


Bel Tain would certaintly slaughter the Tau empire if they so much as looked at a maiden world.

they try do the same to the Imperium when they can as the Imperium is much better equipped to stop their incursions.

Grey Templar wrote:The Eldar would just as soon destroy the Tau as accept their help.

No, they'd destroy the Tau if they were endangering an Eldar, but they regularly work with other races to face down common threats.

Grey Templar wrote:The Eldar would just as soon destroy the Tau as accept their help.


Bel Tain would certaintly slaughter the Tau empire if they so much as looked at a maiden world.

they try do the same to the Imperium when they can as the Imperium is much better equipped to stop their incursions.

Biel Tan WOULD wage war. However one craftworld would not be enough to destroy the Tau Empire.

It WOULD mean no peaceful relations if two war-mongering factions met i.e. Biel-Tan and Sa'cea.

However, the majority of craftworlds, and the majority of Septs, would have peaceful negociations i.e. Dal'yth and Alaitoc.

P.S., Alaitoc is my favourite craftworld.

Sa'cea is my favourite Sept.

Just thought I'd let you know.