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Love the new Ragnar model.... not that anyone with half a brain could see it coming. However I am waiting to be dissapointed with the rules, as per for the poor wolves this edition.

 Garrlor wrote:
Love the new Ragnar model.... not that anyone with half a brain could see it coming. However I am waiting to be dissapointed with the rules, as per for the poor wolves this edition.

Yeah, we will be getting a special assault doctrine that works only from turn 3 onwards when our army is already blown to bits. Maybe we get something to prevent overwatch or increases charg range.

Ragnar69 wrote:

 Garrlor wrote:
Love the new Ragnar model.... not that anyone with half a brain could see it coming. However I am waiting to be dissapointed with the rules, as per for the poor wolves this edition.

Yeah, we will be getting a special assault doctrine that works only from turn 3 onwards when our army is already blown to bits. Maybe we get something to prevent overwatch or increases charg range.

I am already underwhelmed by the "story" aspect of it, going full pelt on all the terrible injuries Ragnar sustained. Then just a quick and by the way, he chopped of Ghaz's head.... It smacks to me of a half assed wolf piece heading our way. Orcs are going to be the big winners here, especially given how marines have been dominating elsewhere.

 Garrlor wrote:

Ragnar69 wrote:

 Garrlor wrote:
Love the new Ragnar model.... not that anyone with half a brain could see it coming. However I am waiting to be dissapointed with the rules, as per for the poor wolves this edition.

Yeah, we will be getting a special assault doctrine that works only from turn 3 onwards when our army is already blown to bits. Maybe we get something to prevent overwatch or increases charg range.

I am already underwhelmed by the "story" aspect of it, going full pelt on all the terrible injuries Ragnar sustained. Then just a quick and by the way, he chopped of Ghaz's head.... It smacks to me of a half assed wolf piece heading our way. Orcs are going to be the big winners here, especially given how marines have been dominating elsewhere.

To go along with the "story" GW put out for Ragnar's conversion...(I use the term story very loosely); which one of his arms was "severed"? Did they just reattach it like an Ork Painboy would? Or did they put a bionic on? And then if so why are both arms armored?

Ragnar69 wrote:

 Garrlor wrote:
Love the new Ragnar model.... not that anyone with half a brain could see it coming. However I am waiting to be dissapointed with the rules, as per for the poor wolves this edition.

Yeah, we will be getting a special assault doctrine that works only from turn 3 onwards when our army is already blown to bits. Maybe we get something to prevent overwatch or increases charg range.

To be fair, Blood Angels got an assault Doctrine and are doing pretty well with it. It provides the army with extra punch in the late game so it becomes about conserving your forces early on and taking out key threats. The fact that all Marines are now forced to cycle through Doctrines helps a bit as Chapters with Devastator Doctrines now only get the benefits for 1 turn.

Honestly, I hope we also get the Thousand Sons treatment, giving each of our Great Company some special traits and relic, to rival the nine Cults of Thousand Sons.

Fingers crossed

The preview for the space wolves part is up now and it’s certainly interesting, melee damage seems set to skyrocket

Did some basic math. With Ragnar, he has a base of 7 attacks and gets 3 on the charge. With the space wolves assualt doctrine this is at least 1 or two attacks, and if you pop the "touch of the wild" he can get on average an extra 5 attacks, for a potential of 16 to 17 attacks on the charge. If you kill a character, then you can be refunded your cp cost too.

Ragnar is very scary to any character not T8

The special doctrine is not very hot (even for an assault doctrine), the strats seem pretty good

I have 2 questions unrelated to PA. Do Fenris wolves get shock assult, and has anyone tried to take 60 or more of them?

That axe is pretty awesome, and the beast-hunter litany isn't bad either. Combine that with the Primaris strat to convert natural 6's to hit into a wound as well, and that's a heavy hitting Intercessor squad.

Babar_babar wrote:
The special doctrine is not very hot (even for an assault doctrine), the strats seem pretty good

The competitive way to run wolves is probably to discard the enhanced doctrine and take another small detachment of codex marines to get access to thunderfire cannons, scout troops, and otherwise shore up the wolves’ weaknesses.

I really hope some of the new stratagems help wolves charge out of deep strike. What the wolves really need is a way to get our hard hitters to the enemy; we’re not lacking for melee attacks and damage even before these new rules.

Though frankly, just getting doctrines, veteran intercessors, and transhuman physiology will immensely boost our offence and survivability. Transhuman physiology might even make wulfen survivable while footslogging.

Hey all,

We put together our thoughts on GW's latest reveal from Saga of the Beast for the Vlyka Fenryka.

If you're interested, you can check out the link below:

https://www.grimdarkfilthycasuals.com/the-sons-of-russ-space-wolf-initial-impressions/

 wannabmoy wrote:
Hey all,

We put together our thoughts on GW's latest reveal from Saga of the Beast for the Vlyka Fenryka.

If you're interested, you can check out the link below:

https://www.grimdarkfilthycasuals.com/the-sons-of-russ-space-wolf-initial-impressions/

Where did you find this?


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Here is Ragnar from News Forum



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A unit of TWC + Canis giving them extra wolf attacks could deal some real damage with Death Grip Bite.

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I have 2 questions unrelated to PA. Do Fenris wolves get shock assult, and has anyone tried to take 60 or more of them?

Fenrisian Wolves do NOT get SA unfortunately, kind of like how Chaos Cultists, Poxwalkers, and Tzaangors (in the various Chaos books) don't get Hateful Assault.

I can't imagine any scenario where you would want to run a huge number of Fenrisian Wolves. A few seem like a potential source of "bad touching" a tank to shut down its shooting, but otherwise I think they are a bit too fragile.

Mixed feelings... We STILL didn't get the mobility we need. Hopefully TransPhys and things like that will allow us to hold out until we actually reach CC.

Anyway, maybe a Razorback Grey Hunter rush might be worthwhile. T1 keep GH in Razorbacks. Razorbacks hose down screens with AP-2 Assault Cannons. T2 disembark GH and pour AP-4 plasma into their elites and tanks. T3+ CHARGE FOR THE GLORY OF RUSS AND THE ALLFATHER. Also outflanking Aggressors might be nice. T1 they're protected from enemy fire, T2 they come in and lay down a storm of AP -1 fire and hopefully they'll be in charge distance by T3.

I am finding the idea of thunder wolf calv with that new strat interesting. I already have a large wolf force (15 thunderwolves total) that I have had success with this edition (pure melee, chain swords and storm shields) due to being hard to kill. Now this makes a single large blob very nasty and a serious threat to the enemy infantry without actually increasing their cost which I like.

Ragnar looks to be nasty as well. Hope he is priced well, him and krom could really make a nasty couple of hqs running around doing whatever they want.

The preview does mention that Space Wolves will get access to the basic Space Marine litanies. So you'll be able to get a Wolf Priest with the +2 charge and 6'' Pile-in/Consolidate. That helps a lot with deep-strike charges.

bmsattler wrote:
The preview does mention that Space Wolves will get access to the basic Space Marine litanies. So you'll be able to get a Wolf Priest with the +2 charge and 6'' Pile-in/Consolidate. That helps a lot with deep-strike charges.

Actualy not as the priest needs to be on the table at the start of the round. So he can't inspire when he DSs.

Ragnar69 wrote:

bmsattler wrote:
The preview does mention that Space Wolves will get access to the basic Space Marine litanies. So you'll be able to get a Wolf Priest with the +2 charge and 6'' Pile-in/Consolidate. That helps a lot with deep-strike charges.

Actualy not as the priest needs to be on the table at the start of the round. So he can't inspire when he DSs.

As with codex space marines, you put him in a Jetpack or bike and anticipate where the deepstrikes will need him to be.

Pandabeer wrote:

Anyway, maybe a Razorback Grey Hunter rush might be worthwhile. T1 keep GH in Razorbacks. Razorbacks hose down screens with AP-2 Assault Cannons. T2 disembark GH and pour AP-4 plasma into their elites and tanks. T3+ CHARGE FOR THE GLORY OF RUSS AND THE ALLFATHER. Also outflanking Aggressors might be nice. T1 they're protected from enemy fire, T2 they come in and lay down a storm of AP -1 fire and hopefully they'll be in charge distance by T3.

A local has been running 3 battalions of 5 man primaris squads with assault bolters and power fists to some success,

The problem is that the wulfen have to deploy on a table edge. It's not possible to get to the enemies edge with your priest, so you have to come from one of the other edges. So either you take 2 priests to cover both edges or you have to choose one edge already at deployment. A smart opponent counters this.

I wonder if foot slogging the wulfen would be better. Have some incursors and invictors to deploy them for t2 charge and have some other valuable units like a leviathan to distract some more shooting.

A stormwolf might be another option, but such an expensive model that doesn't fill a mandatory slot means less CP

Pandabeer wrote:Mixed feelings... We STILL didn't get the mobility we need. Hopefully TransPhys and things like that will allow us to hold out until we actually reach CC.

Anyway, maybe a Razorback Grey Hunter rush might be worthwhile. T1 keep GH in Razorbacks. Razorbacks hose down screens with AP-2 Assault Cannons. T2 disembark GH and pour AP-4 plasma into their elites and tanks. T3+ CHARGE FOR THE GLORY OF RUSS AND THE ALLFATHER. Also outflanking Aggressors might be nice. T1 they're protected from enemy fire, T2 they come in and lay down a storm of AP -1 fire and hopefully they'll be in charge distance by T3.

Bjorn can lend re-rolls 1 to the razor back push, more so if he is the warlord. your idea takes advantage of all 3 doctrines!

Azuza001 wrote:I am finding the idea of thunder wolf calv with that new strat interesting. I already have a large wolf force (15 thunderwolves total) that I have had success with this edition (pure melee, chain swords and storm shields) due to being hard to kill. Now this makes a single large blob very nasty and a serious threat to the enemy infantry without actually increasing their cost which I like.

Ragnar looks to be nasty as well. Hope he is priced well, him and krom could really make a nasty couple of hqs running around doing whatever they want.

Do you run them in large squads or min? I like to run mine with PF/SS but with the new strat I might try to save some points and see how that plays out.



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Also touch of the wild can be played on our character dreads!


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 Grundz wrote:

Pandabeer wrote:

Anyway, maybe a Razorback Grey Hunter rush might be worthwhile. T1 keep GH in Razorbacks. Razorbacks hose down screens with AP-2 Assault Cannons. T2 disembark GH and pour AP-4 plasma into their elites and tanks. T3+ CHARGE FOR THE GLORY OF RUSS AND THE ALLFATHER. Also outflanking Aggressors might be nice. T1 they're protected from enemy fire, T2 they come in and lay down a storm of AP -1 fire and hopefully they'll be in charge distance by T3.

A local has been running 3 battalions of 5 man primaris squads with assault bolters and power fists to some success,

What does he take for 6 HQ choices?

I have been running 3x3 squads, a wolf guard battle leader with ss and thunder hammer on wolf, wolf lord with th and ss on wolf, a squad of wolf guard in term armor with ss and storm bolters, and a squad of wulfen with th and ss. It's just a ton of bodies all at 3++ covering a large field. I plan on upgrading 1 of those squads to a 6 wolf team and combine the other 2 into another 6 wolf team.

Jimbobbyish wrote:

What does he take for 6 HQ choices?

two lascannon chaplain dreads, two priests and two battle leaders I believe, 2 redemptors or 3 invictors, mostly bare bones equip..
You think "oh i'll be fine until he reaches combat" and then you eat 135 bolter shots on turn 1 as they run in.

Hm, Ulrik isn't in PA, so he won't get the new litanies

Ragnar69 wrote:
Hm, Ulrik isn't in PA, so he won't get the new litanies

I noticed that he’s not in the table of contents. I expect that’s just another of GW’s recent editing screwups and we’ll see him in the errata.

Lords of winter and war section may have all the special chars updates - It doesnt they forgot ulrik lol.


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Woohoo we finally are competitive damn!!! im happy as cocaine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtrXWskJpA&feature=youtu.be

9 specific SW strats(pretty much all excellent tier), 2 pages of sweet relics(pretty much all the SW specific relics are again full upgrades.)

3 strats usable by TW CAV.

Move but dont count as moved for bolter discipline? i doubt this works on aggressors but ?

Ragnar 120 points yippee kiya MF!!!!


So my biggest take away is there maybe no wolves on Fenris but there is gonna be alot on the wargaming tables. (also a specific strat just for wolves woot woot)

I'm excited about all the stats my TWC can use! 1cp mortal wounds on charge, 1cp mortal wounds on 6s vs Infantry, 1cp 2 damage teeth & claws, transhuman physiology. Our Fenrisian wolves got some love too,1cp re-roll hits 3" to FRIENDS! I feel like wolf priest are a must, the SW litany really is great.

On the negative side... £105 for the box set. Someone somewhere is smoking crack.

Sorry, not paying that for 11 Marine models that I want, as I will struggle to make much back from the Orcs.

On the plus side... so many ways to play wolves. Dreadnaughts supported by a wolf priest, Skyclaws DS next to a wolf priest and then smashing into enemy lines before bounding somewhere else... I think some of the really under appreciated units in the codex will see some play time now. Thunderwolves and Fen Wolves are going to be getting on the table again I am sure.