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Looking very good there man

Thanks!

While painting those two, I had a bit of a casting session, and here are the results.



There are little bubbles and miscasts in most of them, but I think that is down to the fiddly nature of some of the parts - the barbed wire sections seem pretty difficult to cast. I don't think there's much that I shouldn't be able to fix, though, so I picked up a pot of Liquid GS yesterday. Will try it out in the morning...

that straken count as is better than the actual straken!

You need to apply some vibration to your casting process. A cheap vibrating massager, or an orbital sander (sans sandpaper). That'll help you get the air bubbles out.

yeah,

 Briancj wrote:
You need to apply some vibration to your casting process. A cheap vibrating massager, or an orbital sander (sans sandpaper). That'll help you get the air bubbles out.

I knew about vibrating when the silicone is poured as the silicone i use takes about 8 hours to set there is plenty of time to shake out the bubbles.
I never thought about vibrating the resin pour ... although this stuff sets real quick it should still be possible.

Will be checking that out on my next project. thanx.

Panic...

 Briancj wrote:
You need to apply some vibration to your casting process. A cheap vibrating massager, or an orbital sander (sans sandpaper). That'll help you get the air bubbles out.

Interesting - I might order a little vibrate-plate... Thanks...


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So, a day of PROGRESS. I've painted ten of the shield casts and affixed them to the old Suppression Team. I'm pretty happy with my first go at casting - I think I could do them better if I did them again, though. I'm not completely sold on the yellow and black stripes, but I wanted something that would stand out when compared to the 'regular' shields. Maybe they would look cleaner with just a simple white shield?? We'll see what they look like next to other models..



I left their Proctor with the old shield, so that he can be a Power Maul Sister Superior in the rest of the army, and I've promoted the old 'Corporal' model. His headdress needs painting. This left a gap in the sqaud, so one more Arbitor is being armed with a Maul.



I've then completed the ten boltgun/riot shield models - five will have the riot shields directly forwards and lock their boltguns (and one stormbolter) into them.



And then the other five will fire their guns past their shields.



All the bases for these new models are on their way.



And, because I had some GS left over, I've started to make a boltgun/riot shield Proctor from a Delaque heavy.

I would keep the yellow hazard stripes on the shields. I love hazard stripes because they feel so 2ed 40k for me. For me personally I always felt a modern Arbite army was a 2ed "concept" since the lack of rules for them officially since 2ed (designer notes don't count 100% ). Therefore, I always feel nods to the 2ed days are very appropriate.

My personal Arbites are all 2ed models painted the started black and yellow because that screams stereotypical Arbite/2ed for me.

Keep the great work coming

Riot shield guys completed - I'll be spreading these throughout 'Sisters' squads to represent the 3+ 6++ saves...

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I would keep the yellow hazard stripes on the shields.

Thanks - though I like the Necromunda-era idea of hazard stripes, I was worried that the stripes make it too busy, and mean that you kinda miss the reinforcing and cabling once they're on the tabletop (as well as the fact that I can't paint them very well). And, of course, the point is that people will be able to clearly see the difference from the other side of the table!

I did a test with a spare riot shield, painted white with a red eagle - it loses the 'hazardous' look, but I think it's more tied in and visible. Here's the comparison shots, with 'non-suppression' shields next to them for comparison. What do people think???

White Suppression Shield (3++), normal Riot Shield (3+, 6++)


Hazard Suppression Shield (3++), normal Riot Shield (3+, 6++)

The Hazard stripes still look best IMHO. Plus they are super easy to differentiate the two different saves from.

Awesome blog, Ian! I'll be watching to see what you come up with next!

These look boss, very clever - I think the red/black shields work best in terms of aesthetics, agree with you that the hazard stripe ones look a little busy. Very clever to cast your own, keep 'em coming and thanks for sharing

when you cast those did you powder the molds with talc?

tyrannosaurus wrote:These look boss, very clever - I think the red/black shields work best in terms of aesthetics, agree with you that the hazard stripe ones look a little busy. Very clever to cast your own, keep 'em coming and thanks for sharing

Ah - the red/black ones without the wires are just Riot Shields - pointing out that 'these models are Sisters with a 3+ power armour save' - the army is playing as Sisters with Guard allies so I need to differentiate which ones have the 3+ save and which ones have the 4+ save.

The question is - which of the two other schemes (white or hazard) should I use for my Crusaders' suppression shields to make them stand out clearly from the black & red riot shields?

Galorn wrote:when you cast those did you powder the molds with talc?

Nope - should I have? I haven't ever had a problem demoulding them...

 ArbitorIan wrote:


Ah - the red/black ones without the wires are just Riot Shields - pointing out that 'these models are Sisters with a 3+ power armour save' - the army is playing as Sisters with Guard allies so I need to differentiate which ones have the 3+ save and which ones have the 4+ save.

The question is - which of the two other schemes (white or hazard) should I use for my Crusaders' suppression shields to make them stand out clearly from the black & red riot shields?

Oh I see, was being a bit slow - in that case I'd go for the hazard stripe over the white, looks cooler and probably a bit 'fairer' to clearly differentiate them for your opponent

I think the white looks better and fits with the rest of your army the stripes just look too out of place.

So that's two so far for Hazard, one for White. Maybe I could try a hazard scheme without the yellow? Blue/silver hazard? Dunno, I'll try a few more schemes...

I'm for the hazards - I like the old-skool vibe from them.

Hazard me up me baby.

Maybe it would look better if you put the Hazard Stripes on the plates and made the inside blue?

The stripes are a bit too flashy, I think plain shields would be more in line with the Arbites' "demeanor".

Looking great there Ian.

I have a quick question: how did you paint the flagstones? I'd like to copy that look for my own use.

So, more votes for Hazard over Plain at the moment

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Maybe it would look better if you put the Hazard Stripes on the plates and made the inside blue?

WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT!!!? That's a great idea. I've done a test version. Ok, Hazard-lovers - which one looks better? This idea certainly looks more like the rest of the army - is it sufficiently different to the regular shields, though??

(Bear in mind that I'm using a slightly miscast shield for testing)

LeadLegion wrote:Looking great there Ian.

I have a quick question: how did you paint the flagstones? I'd like to copy that look for my own use.

The flagstone bases themselves are from a variety of manufacturers, but they're all painted the same.

1. Basecoat of Khemri Brown, quick base colour on the flagstone tops of Kommando Khaki.
2. Badab Black wash.
3. Devlan Mud wash.
4. REALLY thinned down layer of Kommando Khaki, so thin it's like skimmed milk, and put on in large quantities so it 'pools' on each flagstone (but not so much that it bursts into the cracks!).
5. Another REALLY thin layer of Kommando Khaki, with added Bleached Bone
6. Bleached bone edge highlights.

It's the pooling of lots of thin paint that makes them all look smooth - about the only time I've ever deliberately tried to obscure detail on a model!!

Thanks Ian.

Honestly? I would prefer a mix of both. Making it look as though some shields had been patched up by cannibalizing others.

Ok, I have to admit that now looks damn sexy. I say keep that. Small hazards don't take away from the rest of the model. Go with it

I am a fan of the mini stripes myself

Yep, mini stripes definitely look better

If you feel the need for hazards, I think the mini-hazards are better than the full on shield

Put in another vote for the mini-stripes. They really make the reinforced sections of the shields "pop".

I'm with the rest of the mob. I like the hazards on the plates instead of the inside. Although it could be a way to differentiate two squads or a captain (doing the stripes inside). It looks more like an addition to the standard issue, to be a better tool in close combat. I think it's a great pairing, the maul and the hazard shield, vs the bolter and regular shield.

I do like the idea of cannibalizing shields for repair, too tho. How desperate is this platoon of arbites?

 The Good Green wrote:
I do like the idea of cannibalizing shields for repair, too tho. How desperate is this platoon of arbites?

Well there isn't a lot of battle damage on any of the other units so I don't know about repaired shield. I have kept all the miscasts though for use in terrain pieces.

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Right, so mini stripes are the way forward - thanks Mr Kingsley! Il cast up some more shields tonight and get to work.


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Also, in my week of finishing off stuff, I managed to get the final two Repressors repainted to the dark blue scheme, and with the correct extras - manacles, transfers and riot shielding.




And I decided to see what the full army looked like - this is everything currently painted...



* 3 Repressors
* 2 Exorcists
* 2 Immolators
* 3 Sentinels
* 6 Bikers
* 3 Combat Teams (Battle Sisters)
* 3 Patrol Teams (IG Vets)
* 2 Dominion Teams
* 1 Retribution Team
* 1 Suppression Team
* 1 Cyberhound Team
* 2 Priests/Confessors/Judges
* 1 Marshall (Cannonness)
* 1 Lead Chastener (Commissar)
* 1 Psy-marshall (Primaris)

Totals around 3000pts if taken as dual-detchment IG and SoB with SM allies