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Interesting but a quick search turned up nothing. Post the pic in Painting and Modelling with a 'Identify this non-gw sister of battle' title.

Interesting game today.

Me sitting around my shop, looking for a game and I land a 2000 point game...

against someone's 30k legion list.

My list:
Celestine
Jacobus
10 BSS w/ 2 melta, Rhino
10 BSS w/ 2 melta, Rhino
10 BSS w/ 2 melta, Rhino
10 Seraphim w/ 2 hand flamer, superior w/ meltabombs
10 Seraphim w/ 2 hand flamer, superior w/ meltabombs
5 Celestians w/ 2 meltaguns, Immolator w/ MM
5 Celestians w/ 2 meltaguns, Immolator w/ MM
2 Exorcists

I can't pretend to remember the majority of his list, but it was:
A Praetor(?)
Librarian
2 Tac squads
1 huge Terminator squad w/ 2+/4++
1 squad of some elite choice, a unit of guys with vulkite weapons and artificer armor
Another elite squad of their Seraphim equivalents, guys with jump packs, two pistols and an assault missile thing
Predator with ceramite plating

Game type was Emperor's Will and Dawn of War deployment. Sisters won first turn and no night fighting.

When I realized I was up against a Legion list, I was pretty nervous, but hey a game is a game right? I definitely learned quickly that my opponent was banking on his Termintors' durability, but he didn't quite reckon with my Exorcists. Sure he had a 4++, but I had plenty of wieght of fire and I kept pounding them hard through the entire game, even forcing them to fall back, which helped keep them off of Celestine.

But man, their weapons are nuts, but I was fortunate in that my opponent was really banking on his melee and close range shooting, so I had a lot of free reign with my transports and Exorcists to cause tons of damage. Thanks to that, I was able to really keep his force broken up and kept it from bringing a lot of paint to any one unit at a time. The jump pack Legion guys ripped a bunch of stuff up, but otherwise, I held them off nicely.

End result of the game:

Sisters - 4 (2 objectives, Linebreaker, First Blood thanks to his librarian double perils-ing in turn 1 :3)

Legion - 0

Called at the top of turn 5.

Excellent... It is as i had foreseen.

Like the WraithGuard variants before them, they too must fall to the Sisters.

 pretre wrote:
Interesting but a quick search turned up nothing. Post the pic in Painting and Modelling with a 'Identify this non-gw sister of battle' title.

yeah will do that, thnx.
and i uploaded some better quality pictures of it..some things that look like bubbles are actualy bullet marks
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3240/434801.page#5956586

Hmm..I don't recognise it.

My first thought was that it might be some 'not-sisters' by a dude who has post in New and Rumours called Brother Vinni, he did 'not-sisters' as a commission and were not for general sale in his store, which is a real shame as they were nice minis and I probably would've picked some up. However, having dug-out the website and looked again it doesn't look like like the work of Vinni...so I've got no idea who might have done it.

Vinnis 'Not-Sisters'


D

The style is very much the same though.

I can see though why he's not selling them, a certain company might feel their IP threatened!

Made it to a tourney yesterday with my sisters. My list:

Celestine -- general
Coteaz -- allied hq

2 x BSS 2x flamers, bombs, rhinos with headlights
Henchmen squad (5 psykers, 3 p.cannon servitors, 2 plasma henchmen, 2 crusaders)

5 seraphim 2x hand flamers, bombs
5 dom's 2x melta, combi-melta, bombs in rhino with lights

2 exorcists
7 Retributers, 4x h.bolters

Quad gun


I did pretty well at the tourney. won all 3 games but the last game took too long to set up / questions about what did what ect. the organizer didn't let us continue after the 2nd turn so we ended up basically tieing. (i won, but very minor win) took 2nd in the tourney.

I like the idea of GK for Coteaz more and more, might see if I can pick up the codex on ebay for cheaps...

Can someone give a breakdown of what can be offered other than the I've been expecting you.

D

He's fairly cheap, a psyker, and lets you take cheap units of warrior acolytes as troops (or expensive ones) and of course all sorts of GK goodies. He's a good package for what he costs.

 evildrcheese wrote:
I like the idea of GK for Coteaz more and more, might see if I can pick up the codex on ebay for cheaps...

Can someone give a breakdown of what can be offered other than the I've been expecting you.

D

For pure GK, He lets you take an army of nothing but Jokaero.
Coteaz + 40 Jokaero is 1500pts, which while silly is still 4 BS3 Lascannons. (Or you be sensible and take say, Coteaz, a Fortress of Redemption, a Dreadknight, an Acolyte and 24 Jokaero - this is pretty awesome and has worked well in testing so far.)

Other than that... he has some bird thing that's Str4? D6 shots?... I just have him man the Icarus Lascannon tbh, I don't really know what he does.

Hmmm,s o other than Coteaz and henchmen, what else could GK allies bring to the SoB table?

i've been expecting you is wonderful as it gives you a region of safety from anything hitting your rear armor. his psyker stuff is all right but will only work on his own unit because of the grey knights issues with sisters.

his other ability is actually very cool. he lets you re-roll to steal initiative, or force your opponent to re-roll his. if you have scouts its important to get that first turn.

always use divination if you use him with a shooty squad though. if you get perfect timing and presence its golden. thats why i use the.. frankly dirt cheap, servitors with plasma cannons.

i'm not sure i'll use the pskyers again. they were ok, but not amazing. basically i had the penitent engine drivers laying around and wanted to try psykers. frankly they're about the best gw figures out there for an inquisitions psyker retinue.


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 curran12 wrote:
Hmmm,s o other than Coteaz and henchmen, what else could GK allies bring to the SoB table?

They can bring in Justicar Thawn. Now you have two Celestines, one which is scoring.

Dreadknights are good for distracting, its ashame you can't put one in with a unit of penitent engines.

In truth the only things I really wanted to fiddle with in the GK list are:

henchmen squads -- already talked about

Dreadknights -- jump a huge distance then torrent flame is nice, good fighting ability with the sword as well

Assassins -- only 2 wounds, they drop quick for the expensive price you pay for them. vindicaire's are amazing for anti tank hunting though.

StormRavens -- flyers are always nice, haven't tried it yet though so others will have to talk about this one

Interesting. It sucks that Sisters and Grey Knights aren't battle brothers.

The GK stormraven makes an excellent gunboat with it's psybolt ammo, I've been on the reciving end of this and it hurts - it's a big points investment though from what I understand. I probably wouldn't run a SR with my Sisters due to the point-sink.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Interesting. It sucks that Sisters and Grey Knights aren't battle brothers.

The GK stormraven makes an excellent gunboat with it's psybolt ammo, I've been on the reciving end of this and it hurts - it's a big points investment though from what I understand. I probably wouldn't run a SR with my Sisters due to the point-sink.

D

A LOT of GK seems to be a pretty big points sink - a kitted out Dreadknight is 300pts.
I should probably read through the book and get an idea of everything else there... but yeah...

Wow really 300 pts for the Dreadknight. Ouch.

I'm more interested in the Inqusition units TBH, I really like that side of the Fluff and was sad to see in disappear from our units with the WD Dex.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Wow really 300 pts for the Dreadknight. Ouch.

I'm more interested in the Inqusition units TBH, I really like that side of the Fluff and was sad to see in disappear from our units with the WD Dex.

D

Yup, 130 base, 75 for the telporter, 25 for the sword and 70 for the weapons. 'Wow, that's really 300pts' was basically my reaction too.
For the monkey army, having something to put pressure on the enemy and stop them charging forward and mauling things.

For Inquisitors - they're Inquisitors, Coteaz is probably your best bet, as it means you get the Henchmen as troops, and the Henchman are pretty much a mix of Guard and stuff. (Monkeys!)
At the end of the day, each Henchmen Warband can consist of 3-12 of any of the following:
Arco-flagellants
Banishers
Crusaders
Daemonhosts
Death Cult Assassins
Inquisitorial Servitors
Jokaero Weaponsmiths
Mystics
Psykers
Warrior Acolytes

I have been running Coteaz as well to good effect. I put him on the quad gun with 3 multi-melta servitors. I was going to use plasma cannons, but his main role is to make flyers and deepstrikers cautious. So, I prefer 3 MM shots that have a slim chance at hitting a flyer.

Also, people tend to overlook that those servitors are a scoring unit.

I also take 5 acolytes in a razorback (TL Assault Cannon, psybolt) for a little extra punch. It follows the scouting dominion squads and gives me a mobile scoring unit that again, people tend to ignore.

Lastly, I throw in the vindicare. Oh..... you have a riptide? Thats cute. Here is my shield breaker round followed by 3 volleys from my exorcists.

If there wasn't so much 'removes cover' I would probably use assassins all the time. They just seem to not last a single turn because everyone knows how nasty they are.

Could go well in a list with 3x dominion scouting up the field. Saturate the midfield and it would probably be ignored.

I'm with you on the multi melta, that was the 2nd choice that I was throwing around. I think its just a personal choice on what to take with them but any direction you go the price is silly low.

On the Dreadknight. They're expensive if you fully load them out but depending on your main sisters force, you may not need to. I consider the flamer a must-take (so 160pt base) but everything else is optional. Just remember that he's big and useful... but only has 4 wounds and a 2+/5++. Ever worry about them with your sisters army? nope, me neither because exorcists show them the price of their heresy in a single volley of holy rockets.

How much are the mm servitors?
I ask because the servitors I know of are 30 with a heavy boogerBolter (stupid phone), and Jokaero are 35 with MM, Lascannon and a Heavy Flamer (and are still scoring with Cortez. :p)

GK servitors are dirt cheap. Think 2 points cheaper than an extra sister for a servitor or a servitor with a multi melta or heavy bolt gun. The plasma cannon only doubles the price of the figure.


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The biggest problem with them is that they need an inquistor to babysit them or they'll make the unit useless half the time. I say worth it as cotez is tough but should be in a shooty squad anyway

 Ovion wrote:
How much are the mm servitors?
I ask because the servitors I know of are 30 with a heavy booger, and Jokaero are 35 with MM, Lascannon and a Heavy Flamer (and are still scoring with Cortez. :p)

Base price for a servitor and the MM is free. Ridiculously undercosted.


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war wrote:

The biggest problem with them is that they need an inquistor to babysit them or they'll make the unit useless half the time. I say worth it as cotez is tough but should be in a shooty squad anyway

Yeah, I toyed with putting more in with the acolytes, but mindlock freezes the whole unit. So, it is not worth the risk. However, their whole existence is to hang out with Coteaz and take extra shots. And if there happens to be an objective right there.... well, so much the better.

Holy crap. O-o. Yeah, being 3 = 1 Jokaero, I can see why you'd go that.
Oh well, I'll stick with my monkeys for GK anyway, versatile as they are.

Maybe I should try a Sisters Repentia + Jokaero Allieslist and see how that works out.

war wrote:
I did pretty well at the tourney. won all 3 games but the last game took too long to set up / questions about what did what ect. the organizer didn't let us continue after the 2nd turn so we ended up basically tieing. (i won, but very minor win) took 2nd in the tourney.

Nicely done, although sorry about the slow play on the last game.

I'm convinced I would have crushed him and i'm pretty sure my opponent would agree, although he wasn't going to concede. During my first 2 turns i killed off 2 out of 4 dark eldar raiders (mobilized a 3rd one) swept his elite forces from the board and killed his drop podding spacewolf allies with almost no loss on my side of the field (lost the dominion sisters unit and an exorcist). I must say I was very much dissapointed when after my 2nd turn movement phase we got a '20 minute' call. There was no chance at that point for me to win in any significant way as I was still in maneuver and kill mode. If I had known the game was about to end I would have jumped on as many points as possible.

Warning somewhat of a rant here:

rant over


I do think that the tourney showed me just how useful dom's are. They shot across the field and got me first blood in 2/3 games. Blew up a raider, a chimera and immobilizing a landraider all in the opening turn. I was worried about flyers and did the ADL thing for the first time. still up in the air about the usefulness of them. 100 points for a quad gun is kinda pricey even with the added protection it offers... could be used for more sisters instead. I have another tourney in 2 weeks so we'll see what I drag out for that one.

IMO, Slow players should forfeit points and give them to their opponent. DE/SW should have NO reason to play slow.

Oh I don't really blame him for it. He had a lot of questions about how things worked ect. and I could probably play faster as well. (only really been playing for 2 months or so and had never played a dark eldar before) Just really sucked it ended the way it did. I would have been ok if we both got 1 more full turn after they called the time. (so the game would end after we both get a round 3)

war wrote:
Oh I don't really blame him for it. He had a lot of questions about how things worked ect. and I could probably play faster as well. (only really been playing for 2 months or so and had never played a dark eldar before) Just really sucked it ended the way it did. I would have been ok if we both got 1 more full turn after they called the time. (so the game would end after we both get a round 3)

Kinda weird that he would have that many questions and be on that high a table, but that happens when you're at shop tourneys. As for extra time, I would disagree on that. Having been on the other end (waiting for the last table to finish their game), I hate it when they keep giving folks more time. You should finish your game in the time allotted. That's why I am so hard on slow play.

Well, it was what it was. So much for dwelling, back to more interesting topics.

I was thinking of trying to speed up my force significantly. Going with 3 units of 10? dominion. I'm still deciding on either flamers or melta or a mix. The mix may be the way to go (so maybe 3 flamers, 1 melta and a combi-melta). Shoot them across the field T1 in their rhinos regardless of first turn and ally either Creed to scout penitent engines... or try a vindicare again. The point would be to basically give the opponent so much to worry about they ignore the lightly armed BSS and henchmen/infantry squads running around capturing objectives.

Speed kills, right?