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Yeah, I would agree that Necrons are the problem. NOt wraith spam, since those are easy. But croissant spam is hard since we don't have a lot of anti-air.

Evil Lamp has it pretty down there.

Av14 I sometimes find difficult. I bring plenty of melta in my BBS squads but my dice often betray be and roll a 1 then a 2 on the re-roll. It's like they know! Infact in a recent game Vs Crons I think I got 4 shots off with my meltas in half range, I think 2 missed on hit but failed to pen and the one that did pen I rolled a 1 on the damage table (making it a 3 from the plus 2 for ap1.) Unbelievable!

When the new dex drops I might drop some cash for a couple of Immos and some extra sistrs to fill out a couple of melta dom squads.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Av14 I sometimes find difficult. I bring plenty of melta in my BBS squads but my dice often betray be and roll a 1 then a 2 on the re-roll. It's like they know! Infact in a recent game Vs Crons I think I got 4 shots off with my meltas in half range, I think 2 missed on hit but failed to pen and the one that did pen I rolled a 1 on the damage table (making it a 3 from the plus 2 for ap1.) Unbelievable!

When the new dex drops I might drop some cash for a couple of Immos and some extra sistrs to fill out a couple of melta dom squads.

D

I think you might be the only SoB AS player in history I have every heard of having trouble with AV14.

Ran the girls in a game this weekend, used a battle mission out of the BM book, rolled 22 which was a chaos vs. loyalist version. My buddy ran a mostly ravenwing army as chaos, I ran my SoB with a small GK attachment. He got to go first, deployment zone was basically dawn of war, except there was only an 18" buffer between the two zones. The big change was, any non-vehicle unit that was totally killed would go into ongoing reserves and could return. IE, if a BSS was destroyed, they could come back via ongoing reserves, but their rhino could not. 2k lists each, lots of terrain, one half had a lot of urban terrain, other half was rock/forest mix.

He ran:
Azrael w/command squad and banner of devestation (the salvo one?) in a LR Crusader w/MM

Libby on bike w/force field thing and axe, command squad, apothecary etc.

Techmarine on bike w/force field

Two tac squads in rhinos

Two attack bikes w/MM

two (or three?) bike squads of six with plasma/melta mixed in

I ran:

Celestine
Jacobus

Doms w/ HF Immolators and melta x2 or melta/flamer and combi flamers

BSS x 2 in rhinos w/MM
BSS x 14 pax w/HB

Exorcist x 3

GK Allies
Coteaz

Henchmen:
3x Jokaeros, 2x HB Servitors, 2x acolytes, 2x crusaders

ADL w/Quad Gun

Game:

Pretty much went wave after wave. His guys would die, then outflank back onto the board. Celestine would die, then roll back on her own, or come back via reserves to kill more stuff. I pretty much ignored his LRC and focused on killing his troops. One squad of BSS went toe to toe against a bike squad for three turns before he finally broke contact after losing three bikes. We called it after turn five (running out of time), I had the bottom of the turn and killed more points, he called it before we finished the turn. I think I would have killed another unit or two if we finished up the round.

Learning points:
His LRC wasn't that effective, and I pretty much ignored it to focus on killing his troops. Celestine vs. rad grenades is a lose lose scenario, when she goes down to T2, pretty much anything will insta-kill her, which is a downer.

So now that we know we're getting 12 point Sisters still, but with the squad starting at five instead of 10, how's this going to affect people's play? As was said in the N&R forum, Immo spam is back baby! Also, think it is worth "upgrading" to the Vet Sister Superior? I know with how mine usually perform, I'd rather save the 10 points.

I think the 5 girl squads are a wonderful bonus. We'll see what they do with equipment prices etc. but it could be very good. 6 BSS squads of 5 girls with 1 heavy and 1 special in a rhino/immo could make a very nice list along with whatever else you bring.

Still not enough new info, but I like what I see so far.

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
So now that we know we're getting 12 point Sisters still, but with the squad starting at five instead of 10, how's this going to affect people's play? As was said in the N&R forum, Immo spam is back baby! Also, think it is worth "upgrading" to the Vet Sister Superior? I know with how mine usually perform, I'd rather save the 10 points.

It's that at 12 points, and 5 girls, they still apparently get 1 special + 1 heavy or special.

So I'll be taking squads of 5 with a Heavy Bolter, then even more repentia! : D

If the Vet Superior upgrade is applied universally across all squads I could see myself saving a few points here and there by not getting the upgrade on the Seraphim and perhaps not the Retributor squad. The 10 large Dominion squads I could see myself upgrading just for that +1 Ld for when the meatshield bolter sisters eat dirt.

I need more heavy and special weapons girls T_T

I'm curious about how the faith will work in this version. Sounds like it will be changed

Be surprised if they change the basic mechanism but its possible...............the preview still shows BS with "Light of the Emperor" Faith power.

Might have to rethink buying a 50man blog of IG now :S

How's about:
3x5 BSS in Repressor
1x10 BSS in Repressor
2 Exorcist
3 x Dominions in Immos
HQ

Hope that works out to ~1650pts..... maybe has room for another Exorcist or a small squad of Rets to camp on an ADL.

What i've seen so far of the new codex looks verrry nice, just hope they throw a bone to PE's.... got 7 of the things all glued and primed, be nice to have motivation to paint them.

Yeah, repressor or immo spam just got real easy and real nice.

Also, it is very possible we will get Jump Canonesses back.

10 Seraphs with 2 Flamers, Celestine and a 2+/EW Canoness with Evis. Yikes.

Hah! If the flying nun makes a comeback i can see alot of folks getting upset (although without the 2++ it'll be a bit trickier to use). That was possibly the most broken HQ unit i've ever fielded in a game of 40k

Whilst it would be pretty funny to spam like 10 AV13 hulls onto the board i think mixing in a few immo's would make for a more balanced army, especially if the dom's can still scout/infiltrate.

I did really well recently with high AV spam sisters and that was with the required 10 squads and some allies.

Would be so much better with just pure sisters and the smaller squads to really get that spam cooking.

 Madcat87 wrote:
If the Vet Superior upgrade is applied universally across all squads I could see myself saving a few points here and there by not getting the upgrade on the Seraphim and perhaps not the Retributor squad. The 10 large Dominion squads I could see myself upgrading just for that +1 Ld for when the meatshield bolter sisters eat dirt.

Exactly this...

On a 5 girl squad they are either going to be wiped out or fine. The extra point of leadership would help a bit with pinning, but we already have a faith power to help regroup so the extra LD isn't really necessary there.

I am most curious about whether we will get a skyfire act of faith, if Celestine's points are changing, and how expensive it will be to make a kick-ass jump-pack canoness

Two special weapobs in the 5sister BSS is certainly an interesting prospect. I'm gonna capitalise on this and take more Immos filled with 2 special weapons. Not sure about the vet upgrade as mentioned the small squads are super fragile so might be blown off the board before they even need to take a ld test,and as mentioned they have an AoF to help mitigate pinning and falling back BUT will the new faith system give us enough faith to ensure all the MSU are battle ready aswell as giving us perks for Rets/Sera/Doms? Tricky.

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Tossed my Codex up finally for anyone who wants to take a gander.

Forum post is here.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/557188.page#6137878

Sisters cannot make a competitive chaos list fold.

phempchildrenbob wrote:
Sisters cannot make a competitive chaos list fold.

Really? It has been my experience that sisters tend to destroy anything with power armor and terminator armor.
Yes, heldrakes are a problem, but everything else simply falls under all of that AP1 you should be bringing to the battlefield.

phempchildrenbob wrote:
Sisters cannot make a competitive chaos list fold.

yeah, I have more problem with flyer crons than chaos.

 pretre wrote:
yeah, I have more problem with flyer crons than chaos.

This is the list I have struggled with the most.
I even managed to hold my own against a Tau twin Riptide / 3 Hammerhead list.

I've been thinking aboyt the new dex. I reckon I'm still gonna run atleast one 10 sister strong bss squad with a vet in a rhino and then hopefully 2-4 5 sister squads in Immos depending on points cost. I think tge 10 strong can utilise going flat out to contest/take abjectives and will hopefully be a little more resilient and hopefully less likely to fall back due to the extra leadership.

Thoughts?

D

I'm giving my cannoness back her Cloak of St. Aspira and her rosarius. (Now that its affordable.) She'll be a bad@$$ again! (sort of)

Played two games last night, the last games with the WD dex!
First against SM, he was running a fluffy Dev heavy IF list, there wasn't a great deal of cover available so my exorcists were pretty brutal against his army and it was easy picking after i'd taken out everything that could threaten my vechicles. Felt a bit bad as he was a relatively new player and I ended up winning by quite a significant margin, I did try to help him out during the game and explain what I was doing and why, it didn't help that my dice were redhot (I've never rolled so many 6s for my exorcists). Anyway hopefully the experience won't put him off.

My second game was a doubles match with SM Sallies vs Eldar & Dark Eldar. We only got 2 turns in each as it as 1500 points per player but those 5two turns were pretty brutal, that Eldar dex can put out some serious firepower. We 'won' due to holding more objectives at the end of T2 but it was going well for us and I think we would've lost if it had continud. Highligh was a rhino rolling two 6s to ignore a pen and a glace from haywire grenades, lowlight was my rets failing a morale check and then runnin off the board after failing to regroup.

Dare I ask if we're going to start a new thread when the new dex is out or is that considered Herasey? Just thought this large thread might put off potential new starts to the army. Maybe it could be kicked off with an evaluation of the update?

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 evildrcheese wrote:
Dare I ask if we're going to start a new thread when the new dex is out or is that considered Herasey? Just thought this large thread might put off potential new starts to the army. Maybe it could be kicked off with an evaluation of the update?D

We've been running this one since before the WD dex, so probably no.

This thread will stay alive till we get new models!

 Shandara wrote:
This thread will stay alive till we get new models!

I think that's a good changeover point and I will agree to it.

 pretre wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
This thread will stay alive till we get new models!

I think that's a good changeover point and I will agree to it.

I dunno, why do we need to change?

Having it all here in one place is nice.

Just as an end of an era kind of thing.