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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wait they aren't supposed to have dreadlocks?

only the female ones

 kodos wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wait they aren't supposed to have dreadlocks?

only the female ones

I mean this guy for sure looks like he's supposed to have a Dreadlock bun-ponytail-thingy

The hair is the main thing I don't like about them, hopefully there are enough heads to do them all bald.

Do like those big chunky shields. It is nice to see that Mantic have taken their own spin on Ogres, and not just copied GW's big fat lads.

Them being made in the EU is interesting.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean this guy for sure looks like he's supposed to have a Dreadlock bun-ponytail-thingy

yeah so this "guy" should be a lady than

 kodos wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean this guy for sure looks like he's supposed to have a Dreadlock bun-ponytail-thingy

yeah so this "guy" should be a lady than

She is.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wait they aren't supposed to have dreadlocks?

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't really matter as either way, the figures as a whole are an example of the extra-chunky detail that will be polarizing for some folks. I generally do prefer a bit more fine detail, but overall I don't mind it as I'm currently painting up a Kindoms of Men army made of Runewars Daqan Humans who are a very similar somewhat WoW'ish aesthetic and sculpting style, albeit in an armored human knight faction. If I needed a Monstrous/Large infantry unit I might consider buying these, though the army already has Rune Golems so that aspect is well attended to.

On the other hand, I do want to add a unit of Mercenary Ogres for use in a couple different armies but for that purpose I'll be going with the WGA Ogres that have a landsknecht look and more traditional sculpt style that isn't quite so wedded to the WoW aesthetic of Runewars and Mantic.

Nice,

Archon should indeed mean edges on the minis, rather than oops got to fudge this to get it out of the mould (those poor salamanders)

I like what i see except for the heads, and i can work around that if i need to (or maybe cut the hair off/add beards/etc)

I've heard on FB that the other sprue is all women.

Ronnie mentioned on facebook that the switch to a Polish manufacturer has been made for quality reasons.

Concerns were heard, listened to and acted on!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I've heard on FB that the other sprue is all women.

That would be pretty darn cool. I appreciate this trend toward female wargaming figures that aren't chainmail bikini types. Bad Squiddo, Victoria, Wargames Atlantic and North Star are notable examples and my wife and I were really pleased that when we play Heroquest with my son and daughter there are male and female versions of the heroes and baddies all looking equally tough well equipped.

Master Crafted made a review battle report for Ambush





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lord_blackfang wrote:I've heard on FB that the other sprue is all women.

Looks like the 3 painted examples are the 3 female ones

scarletsquig wrote:Ronnie mentioned on facebook that the switch to a Polish manufacturer has been made for quality reasons.
Concerns were heard, listened to and acted on!

now it would be nice if the next patch for existing models would be made in Poland too

Those ogres are looking pretty good. Been very unimpressed with Mantic's releases lately so this is a breath of fresh air.

I love the texture on the Ogre leg armor.
Hoping the 3d print lines aren't as obvious on the plastic casts as they are in the close-up photos.
(I am assuming the painted are 3d prints).

 kodos wrote:
Master Crafted made a review battle report for Ambush





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lord_blackfang wrote:I've heard on FB that the other sprue is all women.

Looks like the 3 painted examples are the 3 female ones

scarletsquig wrote:Ronnie mentioned on facebook that the switch to a Polish manufacturer has been made for quality reasons.
Concerns were heard, listened to and acted on!

now it would be nice if the next patch for existing models would be made in Poland too

Having the next batch of existing minis run in Poland would do nothing substantial to the detail. They would have to resculpt, and at the very least re-engineer the sprues if indeed there is detail on the master models that their older process was smoothing/flattening out.


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 skrulnik wrote:
I love the texture on the Ogre leg armor.
Hoping the 3d print lines aren't as obvious on the plastic casts as they are in the close-up photos.
(I am assuming the painted are 3d prints).

They are most likely 3D prints OR the test runs for the mold. If they are 3D prints then layer lines would not show up in a cast plastic version.

 McDougall Designs wrote:
Having the next batch of existing minis run in Poland would do nothing substantial to the detail. They would have to resculpt, and at the very least re-engineer the sprues if indeed there is detail on the master models that their older process was smoothing/flattening out.

depends on what the actual problem is, and I doubt it is something in the master model
it is either the mould itself or something during the process (like removing them to early to speed up) and as there are usually pre-production samples it is unlikely that the mould is off

and than I don't know what their contract in general is, might be that they got a good offering to re-do the existing models as well
don't know the capacity from Archon, but we get at least 2-4 kits now (Ogre Warrior, Ogre/Orc/Goblin Chariots) and 2-4 kits next year (Twilight Kin) if this is all they can do, its ok but if they can do more we might see something

Anything that will make them look like they actually had someone sculpt the sides would be an improvement. The torsos on the marauder core troops look like they sculpted a front and a back then jammed them together, decided they were too waif like and then stretched the front and back apart, distorting any side details.

Some new items went up for pre-order last week which are mainly pitched at the RPG crowd but also have use for wargamers as well.

Firstly we have a new Dragon/Wyvern in PVC for £25



Then we have a couple of sets which bundle some terrain crate items, a battlemap and an D&D 5e adventure for £40 each.



Next the miniatures from Dungeon Saga are getting released as sets raging from £20 for the bad guys to £10 for the heroes.




And then we have some new sets.
Dungeon Adventures: Critters £20


Dungeon Adventures: Wandering Beasts £18


Dungeon Adventures: Dungeon Villains £18


Pre-orders are here:- https://www.manticgames.com/games/new/

I like the look of that!
The dragon looks good, but also like a gaming model (instead of something that will probably break in the course of getting to and playing a game).

I happen to have been collecting and painting assorted fantasy models for a RPG/skirmish collection, because I'm not keen for a new army project at the moment, so these sets are extra appealing.
Really like the "perfectly normal chest".

£25 that's what, about $25 ?

Spidermimic, Spidermimic, does whatever a mimic can

Mantic "we totally messed up our own RPG project so we'd rather repackage our stuff and use another existing RPG instead" Games

(also reselling their old miniatures more expensive than before, because they're totally not like GW all right)

Sarouan wrote:
Mantic "we totally messed up our own RPG project so we'd rather repackage our stuff and use another existing RPG instead" Games

(also reselling their old miniatures more expensive than before, because they're totally not like GW all right)

Ouch, lol. Poor KoW RPG...

I like these boxed sets, and they're reasonably priced (I think) given how the market has gone bananas in the past year or so.

 pancakeonions wrote:


I like these boxed sets, and they're reasonably priced (I think) given how the market has gone bananas in the past year or so.

Yes, these boxes will be nice for any RPG game master who doesn't own its own 3D printer, doesn't know D&D miniatures is a thing or lives in UK. For the others...maybe not so much.

These are at least 50% cheaper than Deep Cuts, if you like the whole bundle.

Mantic always planned to use other existing RPGs and not doing their own system

that the KoW RPG failed because the company doing it went out of business and therefore they switched to D&D instead, well what else can you do (taking the bet on another small system that might be gone before they finish?)

 kodos wrote:


that the KoW RPG failed because the company doing it went out of business and therefore they switched to D&D instead, well what else can you do (taking the bet on another small system that might be gone before they finish?)

Taking responsibility and find a way to make sure the project still lives in the end, rather than letting down all the faithful backers ?

Because let's be clear : who chose the company first ? Certainly not the backers...You take the risk, you pay the bill. If you chose it because it was a low cost for the job done and, oh surprise, they suddenly went out of business because it turned out it was too low to be true, well it's still Mantic Games who made that choice in the first place. Running away with the tail between your legs and invoking "cutting costs" as an excuse is a coward's answer. It's the GW way.

So I stand by my words and will make sure everyone will still remember what they did. No excuse, see the past as it was and aknowledge it fully.

Sarouan wrote:
Taking responsibility and find a way to make sure the project still lives in the end, rather than letting down all the faithful backers ?

which means a long waiting time as until the case is resolved Mantic cannot do anything (to even have to wait to be allowed to buy the rights to release what was written)

Sarouan wrote:
you take the risk, you pay the bill

which is true for everyone who backed a Kickstarter, you do it on your own risk and the backers knew that is as done by a 3rd party with the Mantic IP and not Mantic themselves

So I stand by my words and will make sure everyone will still remember what they did. No excuse, see the past as it was and aknowledge it fully.

as you will do with every single mobile scam game using the GW IPs I guess?

Happy to have the dungeon crawler sculpts available, there are some genuinely good ones in there. I also dig the dragon quite a bit - less so the PVC, was hoping for resin

Sarouan wrote:

 kodos wrote:


that the KoW RPG failed because the company doing it went out of business and therefore they switched to D&D instead, well what else can you do (taking the bet on another small system that might be gone before they finish?)

Taking responsibility and find a way to make sure the project still lives in the end, rather than letting down all the faithful backers?

Take responsibility for what? Letting someone make something with their IP? I think it's a better option than refusing everything that they can't do in house.
Not to mention that Mantic is actually doing what they can. There are legal issues regarding the ownership of work and information that needs to be resolved before Mantic can proceed though. Mantic doen't even have access to who the backers are (last I checked).

Because let's be clear : who chose the company first ? Certainly not the backers...You take the risk, you pay the bill. If you chose it because it was a low cost for the job done and, oh surprise, they suddenly went out of business because it turned out it was too low to be true, well it's still Mantic Games who made that choice in the first place. Running away with the tail between your legs and invoking "cutting costs" as an excuse is a coward's answer. It's the GW way.

So I stand by my words and will make sure everyone will still remember what they did. No excuse, see the past as it was and aknowledge it fully.

The backers did choose the company. It was completely clear that the project was not run by Mantic and a Kickstarter form the beginning.
All Kickstarter always is not guaranteed. It is a risk all backers accept, whether one takes it seriously or not. Mantic did not accept a risk, backers did.

Sarouan wrote:
Mantic "we totally messed up our own RPG project so we'd rather repackage our stuff and use another existing RPG instead" Games

(also reselling their old miniatures more expensive than before, because they're totally not like GW all right)

Terrain Crate has always been aimed at RPG's in general. It predates KoW RPG and has never been reliant on what Red Scar produced.
Mantic don't own work on a RPG to repackage.
The Dungeon Saga minaitures being better presented as suitable for RPGs is just making it easier for customers to find their products.
Price increases are not exactly a scandal with the state of the world in the last few years, Mantic have been exceptionally transparent about that.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Happy to have the dungeon crawler sculpts available, there are some genuinely good ones in there. I also dig the dragon quite a bit - less so the PVC, was hoping for resin

There are some great figs in there. The giant dire-badger is particularly cool.

I think we're going to see alot less resin for large figures from game companies. It's just so much cheaper in PVC and with large figures the sculptor isn't as pressured to make the detail so fine, so there's less detail loss and it's less noticeable that the sculptor is "sculpting for PVC" on large stuff. Doesn't help Resin fans that offerings from Deep Cuts and others are creating the expectation among gamers that large models should be more affordable.

On the other hand, I'm generally quite happy with PVC for large models. I took my son to the game store (Games Plus) up north for the first time in years. They have multiple walls full of Bones, Deep Cuts, etc. I was really impressed by the quality and how much more affordable large figures can be these days when compared to the past where Resin and Metal were the main options and prices basically increased exponentially with size.