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Hmm, those trolls? Yeah, pledged for those, and quite happy with how they turned out, really.

gah, super stretch nun arms........are going to get trimmed down i guess, maybe cover the work with shoulder guards....which i guess i could use to differentiate units

 scarletsquig wrote:
I've figured out what was bothering me about their boobs.

If you look *very* closely,...

This just made my day.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

There were two concepts, the one with armor, the other with less armor. The majority of the pledgers wanted the one with less armor. So posting the first design and then complaining they are not up to it is a little bit unfair. If anything you should compare them to the second and final design, which the minis resemble quite a lot.

Not sure how you think know what the majority of anyone wants, Duncan. Though that's not the point either. The unarmoured concept is the same pic as the one that's been displayed here several times. The unarmoured concept is essentially the same picture as the armoured one, except wearing fewer clothes. You'll note that you're completely wrong, as the figures armour is closer to the one that's been posted several times.







You'll notice that the troll models produce more closely resemble the latter concept art in mode of dress/heaviness of armour. Which has been our reference point of comparison since Scarletsquig corrected someone using the unarmoured concept art about 10 pages ago. Stewart said that an entirely different piece of concept art was used, which I can presume was one we've never seen because the trolls look like Trollbloods gone Wild-ly Awful..

Of course, if you have a troll picture that was posted on the kickstarter that we've all somehow missed, then bring it up and prove me wrong. I'll admit I was incorrect and apologise to you and Mantic here. If not, I'll be expecting you to be the bigger man and admit you're wrong on this point.

Hmm, only just realised the pic of the much maligned (and somewhat justly, IMO) sisterhood cav also contains, in the far right, one of the painted MaA if I'm not mistaken.

looks like a decent model, at least.

 Alpharius wrote:
The more I look at it...ouch!
The standard bearer shares the awful right arm, and adds to it with a ridiculous left arm!
Strange that these made it out of QC...

Mantic QC for some time seems to have been a blanket "Yeah, Mr.Sculptor, those are AWESOME!"

I'm not really seeing the not-exposed cleavage that Scarletsquig is talking about. I see the busts to be more like tight clothing that often gets lines between the breasts to emphasis them. More like this (sorry, couldn't find a better pic quickly)


Same deal with the lips etc, remember those pics are blown up to about 4x size (or 5x, being Mantic's figures?) I'm sure the facial details are fine at actual size. My only issues are with them having disproportionately long necks and arms ended by hands that have Mr.Fantastic's fingers - and the lack of QC on both the sculptor and Mantic that lets them through. Of course, they're not a great sculpt of the concept art, but they at least look like it this time...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Feel free to completely ignore the 80% of sculpts which did turn out very nicely with no complaints about them at all.

Like what? Mantic haven't bothered to show us the majority of the items properly yet. There's a couple that do look good, like the Goblin Chariot. There's some that are well-sculpted but have issues, like the Ogres and Lion Rider, and some that have real problems, like the trolls, cathorses, amazing stretch-o sisters... Then again, I should probably wait and see how that chariot turns out with proper pictures?


(Protip: if I complain about the ogres' legs, and someone else complains about the Lion's teeth - that's not "no complaints" unless you're then going to selectively disregard those that you don't feel are "real" complaints - and if you're going to ignore/strike my complaints you should do the same with all my opinions, including praise and defence of other sculpts/Mantic itself).

Let's wait till they've shown us everything (in about 2 weeks at this rate) before we start cheerleading for them again, eh?

Undead Skeletal Dog Handler
Ogres
Ogre Shooters
Ogre Captain
Paladins
Men-at-Arms
Angels
Palace Guard
Goblin Mincer
Orc Chariot
Gargoyles
Bazuzu the Vile
Basilean hero on lion.
Brock Riders
Mummies
Abyssal Golems
Immortal Guard

17 units, all of them seen, and all looking rather nice. sisters, cat cavalry, trolls and werewolves makes 4 to rant about.

So yeah, roughly 80%. The figure was chosen carefully, I never just throw numbers around for the sake of it.

Have we seen the final men at arms sculpts?

The pic in my previous post is recent, I believe that will be one of the final sculpts.

@Scarletsquig where's the pic (or pics) for the immortal guard? must've missed that one.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have we seen the final men at arms sculpts?

Yes, they have giant nipples protruding from every surface. Fire up the hedge trimmer.

Seriously, I thought the last images we saw were from the video...where the heads and torsos were not final.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Undead Skeletal Dog Handler
Ogres
Ogre Shooters
Ogre Captain
Paladins
Men-at-Arms
Angels
Palace Guard
Goblin Mincer
Orc Chariot
Gargoyles
Bazuzu the Vile
Basilean hero on lion.
Brock Riders
Mummies
Abyssal Golems
Immortal Guard

17 units, all of them seen, and all looking rather nice. sisters, cat cavalry, trolls and werewolves makes 4 to rant about.

So yeah, roughly 80%. The figure was chosen carefully, I never just throw numbers around for the sake of it.

/sigh. Let's not play this game - but if you must:

I've seen (or made!) complaints about:
Ogres
Paladins
Basilean hero on lion.
Brock Riders
Mummies
Abyssal Golems


I haven't personally even seen (at all or properly enough to have an opinion):
Ogre Shooters
Ogre Captain
Men-at-Arms
Palace Guard
Immortal Guard

We both forgot the werewolves, which have also attracted their fair share of complaints - though I personally don't mind them and never have - excepting the nipples.

Seriously, guys?!

100% of all miniatures ever are crap because at least one person somewhere didn't like some aspect of it.

Stop arguing about subjectivity.

The whole thread is about that kind of subjective thing, Doug. Thousands of posts on Dakka.

Note, I don't berate anyone about liking the trolls, as it's personal aesthetic choices - and as you say - subjectivity.

I personally prefer to keep this kind of discussion to more measurable things like proportions and direct comparisons to concept art, but if someone wants to play "no complaints at all about most of them" then hell yeah, I'll call them on it.

Most of the reasons people have for liking or disliking one or the other of these KoW sculpts are pretty reasonable and backed up as well. It's far from "these all suck because I said so".

^ I didn't forget the werewolves, in fact they're in my post your quoted.

Really though Azazelx, the hero on lion, ogres and paladins had mostly very positive reactions, the golems generally were well-received as well (I sure am getting extras too), the mummies were deemed somewhere in the area of "well, not too shabby", generally; it's just the brock riders, cats, sisters (arms, mostly!) trolls and to a somewhat lesser extent, werewolves which are catching flak.
as to the ogre shooters well, you've seen the bodies and there's pics of the weapons I believe - kinda close

I haven't seen immortal guard pics either (Squig, any chance of a hint where to find those? I believe you mentioned them as having been shown), by the way.
Most everything but the elf cav and some heroes should be revealed by friday or so, so let's hold this "percentage of mini's gone bad" debate for a week or so, shall we?

^ I can't find the immortal guard pics, I have seen them though... somewhere on the internet, a long time ago.

Tried to dig them up for the image gallery I was making but gave up the search after several minutes.

Anyway, the point of my post was a simple counter to a lot of the more ridiculous statements that people have been throwing around lately.

Ah, bugger. Oh well, thanks for trying at least

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ I can't find the immortal guard pics, I have seen them though... somewhere on the internet, a long time ago.

Tried to dig them up for the image gallery I was making but gave up the search after several minutes.

Anyway, the point of my post was a simple counter to a lot of the more ridiculous statements that people have been throwing around lately.

I'm pretty sure there haven't been pics of them. I've been keeping my eyes open for them. We have seen the dragonfire thrower thing, but I don't think we've seen immortal guard.

There were a lot of complaints about earlier shots of werewolves, but the latest pics seemed to get a much more positive reaction.

There was definitely a grey epoxy immortal guard or two shown off at last year's open day, just WIP sculpts, though.. and quite similar to the existing hybrid immortal guard, only without the "good dwarf" legs.

Riquende might have some pics, but they're not on his new blog.

I personally quite like the werewolves and the kitty riders (they look so cute!), and the nuns will look alright with a few snips here and there.. so from my perspective that only leaves the trolls as the only major "drakon rider" tier sculpts from the kickstarter.

Personally, the only sculpts I don't like are the trolls and the sisters - but only that weird right arm with the hit-by-a-hammer hand. I've liked everything else.

Maybe it could be painted/converted into some sort of oversized armoured gauntlet which might make it look less dodgy

Rats, I wanted Sisters but I don't want minis with poorly proportioned arms. Maybe the next design/production run will have better proportions.

More pertinently, does anyone know if the Basileans will have pikemen? Using spearman to "count as" is not appealing, I like adhering more closely to the WYSIWYGW concept.

I wish someone (Mantic?) would compile pics of the "good" sculpts... the ones that get all the mileage are the ones people have issue with, and so I haven't really seen the "good" ones as I don't follow this daily. The closest I've seen is squig's gallery, but it's only got 12 pics and is far from covering the list above...

So right now, I'm taking that on faith... but again, Bolognesus posted the mummies as getting a "well, not too shabby" reaction... with some of this concept art, I was hoping the minis would blow my socks off.

Still open to that happening... so, anyone have a link to pics of the "good" sculpts? Please

It might be best to limit the discussion to sculpts actually posted here. If only squig has seen some pics in the background of a youtube video for 3 frames, no one will be "right" about the number of complaint free sculpts.

Definitely seems like Mantic have taken too much on with so many Kickstarters "running" simultaneously. Otherwise they might have time to compile the sort of information RiTides is talking about for customers.

I might sound like I've got a bone to pick here but I've been fairly positive about Mantic in the past, so I think it's only fair to call them on it when I see things that I think are shoddy or silly.

 RiTides wrote:
I wish someone (Mantic?) would compile pics of the "good" sculpts... the ones that get all the mileage are the ones people have issue with, and so I haven't really seen the "good" ones as I don't follow this daily. The closest I've seen is squig's gallery, but it's only got 12 pics and is far from covering the list above...

So right now, I'm taking that on faith... but again, Bolognesus posted the mummies as getting a "well, not too shabby" reaction... with some of this concept art, I was hoping the minis would blow my socks off.

Still open to that happening... so, anyone have a link to pics of the "good" sculpts? Please

http://napalmelfrebelscum.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/mantic-kings-of-war-kickstarter-wave-2.html
The most comprehensive collection of available sculpt pics.

mummies:

not what I expected, but I rather like them, really.

Yeah...when I first saw the mummies, I didn't like them because I was expecting something like the old heroquest mummies. That's what the concept art we saw showed too.



However, as an elite unit within the context of the undead army, the mummies that got made fit a lot better I think. In general, I like the mummies that got made as I look at them more (I find that with the trolls too, though I know they're not popular in general).

 scarletsquig wrote:
There was definitely a grey epoxy immortal guard or two shown off at last year's open day, just WIP sculpts, though.. and quite similar to the existing hybrid immortal guard, only without the "good dwarf" legs.

Is this the one you're thinking of, SS?



One of mine from the 2012 Open Day. As has been previously noted, the 2013 Open Day wasn't as good for sneak peeks.

That's the one. Cheers.