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See, Mantic = awesome.

If you get the ogre army, that fixes things for people going all-out ogres, and the 9 for $25 thing fixes it for people just getting a few ogres.

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks for the heads up!

After all of the other sculpts that I was interested in turned out to be not so good looking, I went heavy on the Ogres, so this will help a lot!

Don't forget to send an email to Stewart to say you want the 9 for $25 deal on the ogres!

stewart.gibbs@manticgames.com

You have to do it by/before June 2nd to get the deal.

 RiTides wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks for the heads up!

After all of the other sculpts that I was interested in turned out to be not so good looking, I went heavy on the Ogres, so this will help a lot!

Don't forget to send an email to Stewart to say you want the 9 for $25 deal on the ogres!

stewart.gibbs@manticgames.com

You have to do it by/before June 2nd to get the deal.

I already did!

I've gotten a few emails from him over time, he usually responds within a day or two...

Really like the men at arms sculpts. Really dislike their color scheme.

Loving all the character models.

Official pics from the latest update:

Yeah, not real happy with how the men at arms have turned out. Was going to get a bunch, but they're not really as I would like. Hands too big, and faces are a bit munted for my liking. A shame.

I just costed up the Ogre Army deal. It's actually cheaper to buy it all separately. $50 for 18 Warriors, $33.33 for 12 shooters, $12 for a Hero model, $20 for two of the command packs - Total $115.33.

Welp, with this new unit being shown, it looks like I am an Ogre player. Sad, as I was looking forward to having some massed units of cheap troops. I guess it's easier to use Perry miniatures for what I am looking for, as it's around $25 for 40 of them, and they're at the scale I like.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Yeah, not real happy with how the men at arms have turned out. Was going to get a bunch, but they're not really as I would like. Hands too big, and faces are a bit munted for my liking. A shame.

I thought their hands were too big at first, then realized they are wearing thick gloves. They have a crap paint scheme but a TON of potential. I am very happy with them.

Also; their proportions are fantastic. They are on 20mm bases and look very true-28.

Yeah, the painting on them is a little bit scary, especially that smiling guy in the back rank with the serial killer eyes!

They do at least look the part of demented zealous nutters. They look like thugs who have been given some fancy armour and the chance to go burn and murder everything in sight. I kinda like that, gives them a bit of character.

@Fenris: The perry stuff does very nicely, make sure to get some mantic bases for them, the tab on the feet of the perry minis fits nicely into the slot on the mantic bases, so it's a great way to put them on 20mm without having the "every model on its own little hill" effect.

Yeah, the paintjob isn't doing them many favours. I am just hoping they scale nicely next to the skeleton undead from Mantic.

I'll wait till a lot of other models are done being shown and make my final decision at the end. Otherwise, it'll likely be 36 Ogre Warriors and 18 Shooters, some command packs and various other bits.

Is the Ogre Hero listed the one people at $225 are getting for free? It does make a difference.

scarletsquig wrote:Official pics from the latest update:

judgedoug wrote:
Also; their proportions are fantastic. They are on 20mm bases and look very true-28.

It really could be the photography this time, but the arms look too long to me. I dunno why these guys are so allergic to well-lit, straight on shots. Preferably of bare figures/inked figures.

The color choices on them are not helping at all.

The Elf? lady is pretty good and the Dwarf is pretty good. The Elf mage looks decent but is a bit rough.

~Eric

Edit: On second look, the paint jobs don't appear to be doing any of the figures any favors this time out.

Are there any sprue shots? Can someone in Stewart's good graces please ask for sprue shots?

Just want to be clear: The ogre army deal isn't changed by the upgrade to ogre BOGOs?

Their arms don't look too long to me.

But yes, I don't, never have, and will probably continue to not understand why Mantic doesn't just take pictures of the unpainted models with a gesso or ink wash.

There are some rumours floating around that Mantic might do some short and sweet "one army" kickstarters in future for KoW/ Warpath, to take a single army and really go to town on it.

Think those guys would definitely benefit from a more muted/dirty colour scheme, although I have no idea whether that would represent the models correctly with regards to what they are supposed to be!

Really good of Mantic by the way though to bend to the will of the fanbase with the other stuff also.

I like them.

I don't like them more than Perry's 1450's Mercenaries. Or Warlords ECW Parliamentarians. And I am going to assume Perry and Warlord are going to continue to be more affordable.

Points for almost sallet helmets however.

willb2064 wrote:
The Ogre command pack add-on is $10 in the KS survey.

Ouch. Thanks for the clarification. I haven't opened my PM yet, and my KS emails except for the final PM email have been shuffled off to the burstingfullmessy Kickstarter email folder. Guess I'll be passing on those. Maybe I'll mod some of the spare OK ones that you get into them.

 scarletsquig wrote:
It's been live on the survey for the past 3 weeks. Several people who have actually bought an ogre army with their BOGOFS have already taken that option, others have simply switched their BOGOFs to other miniatures so they can save a whopping 3.5% by buying from a discount webstore (assuming it gives free postage).

Actually, speaking for myself, I'd have be paying slightly more from a UK discount webstore (with free postage) but I'd be supporting a retailer who stocks Mantic, and getting one of the other items that looks quite good - like the goblin shredder. I'm not a one-eyed supporter of Mantic like yourself, but I do want them to succeed - which is why I post in these threads. Do you see me posting in the GW new release threads? No? That's because I'm indifferent to/dislike GW as a company. Supporting retailers who stock the stuff I'd imagine is a pretty important thing for Mantic. While I'm sure there's probably a couple of people who participate in these threads for a bit of sport, I think you'll find that the vast majority of the critics here on Dakka want to see Mantic do well.

I didn't know about the army deal either, since I'm not opening the survey until they care enough to show us all of the models.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yeah, the painting on them is a little bit scary, especially that smiling guy in the back rank with the serial killer eyes!

They do at least look the part of demented zealous nutters. They look like thugs who have been given some fancy armour and the chance to go burn and murder everything in sight. I kinda like that, gives them a bit of character.

@Fenris: The perry stuff does very nicely, make sure to get some mantic bases for them, the tab on the feet of the perry minis fits nicely into the slot on the mantic bases, so it's a great way to put them on 20mm without having the "every model on its own little hill" effect.

Remember guys, the models in the pic are blown up to quite a few times their actual size. Remember, Mantic humans are tiny - smaller even than GW humans. I'd say that whoever painted these did pretty bloody well to get the pupils on them, let alone be criticised for the painted expressions. Overall, the shields look nice, the heads look a bit meh (visors down would have been much better!) and overall they're certainly okay, but I also prefer the Perry models.


I've asked Stewart for clarification/confirmation on the pledge level of Veteran – Soldier – $110
A Kings of War Hardback Rulebook,
Mini-rulebook and
10 Dice
2 units of Werewolves
2 units of Ogres
1 unit of Ogre Shooters
Wound Counters
Undead Vampiress from the cover art

To see if the "units of" the two kinds of Ogres are now upgraded to the same as retail units - ie 6/unit rather than 3/unit.

 scarletsquig wrote:
There are some rumours floating around that Mantic might do some short and sweet "one army" kickstarters in future for KoW/ Warpath, to take a single army and really go to town on it.

In all honesty, I'm honestly not sure that Mantic could really get away with that. Dreadball and now Deadzone are nice looking, and I'm fairly pleased with models (and very pleased with the service), but... well, imagine you had pledged for the human army with the sisters. What would you do when you finally see what they ultimately come up with, but now you can't switch to something a bit truer to the concepts?

Mantic has many virtues, but at least right now they seem consistent about being inconsistent.

Touche'

I'm not a one-eyed supporter of Mantic like yourself,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=one-eyed

I would really prefer not to have to add you to my ignore list, but recently you've been making a lot of casual insults in my direction while quoting random posts of mine that weren't replying to you.

I've been nothing but courteous to you, is there any chance you could go back to being the friendlier poster you were before you changed your username to something distinctly more satanic?

Cheers,

-squig.

(and sorry mods, randomly mashing report buttons just isn't my style. :p)

GBL wrote:
I like them.

I don't like them more than Perry's 1450's Mercenaries. Or Warlords ECW Parliamentarians. And I am going to assume Perry and Warlord are going to continue to be more affordable.

Gee, if only somebody could have predicted that this might happen.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
There are some rumours floating around that Mantic might do some short and sweet "one army" kickstarters in future for KoW/ Warpath, to take a single army and really go to town on it.

In all honesty, I'm honestly not sure that Mantic could really get away with that. Dreadball and now Deadzone are nice looking, and I'm fairly pleased with models (and very pleased with the service), but... well, imagine you had pledged for the human army with the sisters. What would you do when you finally see what they ultimately come up with, but now you can't switch to something a bit truer to the concepts?

Their current practice isn't much better. "Sorry about the Orks, have some Space Marines!" isn't worth much unless you actually want to collect Space Marines.

 scarletsquig wrote:

I'm not a one-eyed supporter of Mantic like yourself,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=one-eyed
I would really prefer not to have to add you to my ignore list, but recently you've been making a lot of casual insults in my direction while quoting random posts of mine that weren't replying to you.
I've been nothing but courteous to you, is there any chance you could go back to being the friendlier poster you were before you changed your username to something distinctly more satanic?
Cheers,
-squig.
(and sorry mods, randomly mashing report buttons just isn't my style. :p)

I'll be blunt. I am still a little pissed off at you for the bs at the start of this thread when you came argumentatively barging into the discussion I was having with other people in this thread - not yourself - around "fake" stretch goals - and had that legitimate aspect of the discussion aspect shut down by Alph because you didn't like it. I referenced that, because I still believe it was a legitimate line of discussion and that it was bs that it was shut down and my later post removed.

Though having said that, I'm not consciously being rude to you outside of that reference, so I'll apologise if I have offended you outside of that one post. One-eyed is more extreme than you deserve. I'd use "Mantic fanatic" more, since it's a term you used to use, but frankly, that sounds even worse. Not fanboi, obviously. What non-offensive term would you prefer when referring to your level of like of Mantic? I'm being serious here. You're not exactly impartial, and you have a pretty strong bias towards them, but you do admit they're not infallable. (I even said so a page or so ago in this thread).







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 AlexHolker wrote:

Their current practice isn't much better. "Sorry about the Orks, have some Space Marines!" isn't worth much unless you actually want to collect Space Marines.

I'd argue that the "free faction" probably wasn't going to happen at all until they got all that negative feedback from the Orx. To be fair, it's really "Sorry about the Orks, have something else of your choice for free* as well."
*for pledges $150 and up

Yeah exactly. After seeing how this has turned out, I think I am going to shy away from any Mantic kickstarters on offer. I've been bitten quite badly from this experience, and it's soured me on them quite a bit.

And I am a big Mantic fan. That's why I want them to succeed. But if they keep going with "good enough" for their sculpts, they're going to lose out in the end. And no matter how many times "but look how much stuff you get!" is thrown up as a counter to my disappointment, it doesn't make up the difference in my opinion. I'd rather pay the money to get the items I want straight out, not be handed a bunch of items I have no interest in and have to either salvage some loss by on-selling them or get chucked in a box to be never used. Give me what I want from the beginning and you don't need to give away the farm to keep my interest.

Example - Darklands kickstarter pulled in a lot less than Mantic's, but look at the quality. The miniatures I pledged for have met or exceeded expectations across the board. And I got a sweet deal out of it to boot. Mantic? Well 4 of the choices I had made for my army deal are now ones I wouldn't want to buy even at low prices. So I now have to buy in an army I didn't want, and try to make my cash back by onselling (and considering the glut of miniatures I expect to be hitting ebay after this kickstarter, I don't know if that's likely).

I'd take an ounce of quality any day before I settled for a pound of 'meh'.

Darklands? Is that Mierce? I'd have gone in on that one - some beautiful sculpts, but I just couldn't in good faith considering the Maelstrom connection. The body was still warm, even!

 Azazelx wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Their current practice isn't much better. "Sorry about the Orks, have some Space Marines!" isn't worth much unless you actually want to collect Space Marines.

I'd argue that the "free faction" probably wasn't going to happen at all until they got all that negative feedback from the Orx. To be fair, it's really "Sorry about the Orks, have something else of your choice for free* as well."
*for pledges $150 and up

I've not been paying as much attention to the Deadzone comments/thread as I'd like - can anyone give me a potted summary of what these two gentlemen are referring to regarding the Orx? The greens I saw at the Open Day were pretty cool.

Yeah it's Mierce, and I felt a little conflicted as well (though I hadn't lost any money). But I punted and pledged for a large amount of miniatures, and it's paid off.

Taken without the problems of the original company that owned them, the sculpts they produced from their kickstarter were amazing. The latest one of Hrudinn, the winged bird/giant/demon is just out of this world.

@Azazel: For reference, I haven't reported any of your posts, or spoken to any moderator about having them removed. I had some posts deleted too.

Though having said that, I'm not consciously being rude to you outside of that reference, so I'll apologise if I have offended you outside of that one post.

Thanks, apology accepted.

As as far as "what to call me?" goes, my username can be found listed above my avatar.

You're not exactly impartial, and you have a pretty strong bias towards them

"As an authority on myself I must disagree."

I've not been paying as much attention to the Deadzone comments/thread as I'd like - can anyone give me a potted summary of what these two gentlemen are referring to regarding the Orx? The greens I saw at the Open Day were pretty cool.

In a nutshell, you're one of the few people that did like them. Chaos ensued in the comments section, but then they got resculpted and now people are more ambivalent in general towards them.

Okay. I'll call you "Utilising Careful Highlighting".

You're also biased when discussing yourself.

Ugh.

Point in fact - using the Mod Alert button to report a post that you feel might be breaking the rules is the only Officially Sanctioned Response.

I just wish Mantic would hire top-flight sculptors. They're raising a lot of funds, and I know money is stretched tight. But, by far the biggest cost has to be tooling, right? Paying a bit more for the sculptor upfront would make them the sweet alternative that I have been hoping they could be, if they would put out more things like the ogres.

Watching Tre Manor's thread has me wishing they would bring someone like him onboard!

I do realize it's not Just sculpting, but some issues with casting on excellent sculpts (like the dreadball robots, although I think they're probably fine with just a bit of work). But on the other hand, if you start with a bad sculpt there's really no saving it.