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 scarletsquig wrote:
Some concept art for the new Abyssal army, one of the next armies to be released for KoW (army list is included in the Basilean legacy book):

Those legs aren't that bad! But agreed that they could use being a bit longer, particularly when translated to model form.

His left forefinger does pretty much touch his toe, though

Are they Demon Dwarves?

Probably not...

I guess Stumpy Legs/Long Arms really is the Mantic House Style then?

 Alpharius wrote:
Are they Demon Dwarves?

Probably not...

I guess Stumpy Legs/Long Arms really is the Mantic House Style then?

I am incredibly disappointed.

Can we at least get a unit name/description before we start going off on one, please?

They do look somewhat like what I'd expect a demon-possessed Dwarf to look like, and the extant Abyssal army is based around corrupted Dwarves.

Sheesh...

It's a Moloch according to the file name.

 Cyporiean wrote:
It's a Moloch according to the file name.

I wonder if that's meant as a pun off Morlock

Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

Now that I've thought about it, it makes sense, given that the angels are called Elohi. Morlocks and Eloi are the two races decended from humans (and rather represent darkness and light) in H.G. Wells Time Machine.

Which means depending how you look at it Mantic have either been very clever, or just unoriginal.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

And that makes the silly, stumpy legs even more disappointing...

~Eric

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

So Stumpy Legs Syndrome it is then...

I'm OK with waiting to see how it looks in real life though, as Demon Physiology is more forgiving with proportions.

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm OK with waiting to see how it looks in real life though, as Demon Physiology is more forgiving with proportions.

Similar to the way Troll physiology should have been?

~Eric

From the blog:

Molochs are the largest of the Abyssal monstrosities – lumbering
hell-spawn the size of an Ogre.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

Now that I've thought about it, it makes sense, given that the angels are called Elohi. Morlocks and Eloi are the two races decended from humans (and rather represent darkness and light) in H.G. Wells Time Machine.

Which means depending how you look at it Mantic have either been very clever, or just unoriginal.

Usually, I'd go with unoriginal. Don't think in this case it's the Time Machine though, but simply biblical/Hebrew. If anything, Wells took his inspiration from the same source.

Yeah, definitely biblical source on that. The abyss itself is quite literally hell, with seven circles, tortured souls and everything else.

As for the demon.. it doesn't look like it is about to fall over or have its legs snap like twigs, so I'm fine with it... the luck of bulk to the troll legs is a much, much bigger issue than lack of height, they have tiny thin little ankles that look like they'd break instantly.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm OK with waiting to see how it looks in real life though, as Demon Physiology is more forgiving with proportions.

Similar to the way Troll physiology should have been?

~Eric

Not at all - Troll physiology, in all of its varieties, is well understood.

Denizens of the Abyssal and Infernal planes are not well understood at all!

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

Now that I've thought about it, it makes sense, given that the angels are called Elohi. Morlocks and Eloi are the two races decended from humans (and rather represent darkness and light) in H.G. Wells Time Machine.

Which means depending how you look at it Mantic have either been very clever, or just unoriginal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

Everyone should read the bible at least once for the monsters: like Greek mythology, people name-drop it everywhere. Plus, lots of anime makes a lot more sense...sort of.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Everyone should read the bible at least once for the monsters: like Greek mythology, people name-drop it everywhere. Plus, lots of anime makes a lot more sense...sort of.

Oh, Neon Genesis Evangelion, so close to greatness, only to fall flat on it's pompous head.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Talking to Heath, it's a 'Big Ass Demon'.

I'm OK with waiting to see how it looks in real life though, as Demon Physiology is more forgiving with proportions.

Exactly! I don't mind the art, but for a fantastical creation, it can have weird proportions... hopefully the modeller tweaks them a hair more in line, and then it will be great, imo.

As long as it doesn't look like the plague mortar crew :-O

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Now that I've thought about it, it makes sense, given that the angels are called Elohi. Morlocks and Eloi are the two races decended from humans (and rather represent darkness and light) in H.G. Wells Time Machine.
Which means depending how you look at it Mantic have either been very clever, or just unoriginal.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but key Mantic staff are ex-GW people...

scarletsquig wrote:Yeah, definitely biblical source on that. The abyss itself is quite literally hell, with seven circles, tortured souls and everything else.

Thing is, having seven circles of hell isn't biblical, it's Dante's hell that has circles (though there are nine).

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

Everyone should read the bible at least once for the monsters: like Greek mythology, people name-drop it everywhere. Plus, lots of anime makes a lot more sense...sort of.

In which case all you would know is that Moloch was a god of the Ammonites, and depending on the bible you used, you wouldn't find Elohim in it anywhere (King James for example), as it is translated as god or gods.
Admittedly I would agree that they are simply drawing on terms that exist in some quasibiblical state based on a variety of authors works like Dante, Milton, D&D, etc, rather than a reference to Time Machine. That's just the first place my mind went when I saw Moloch (Oh no, not Morlocks). That said, reading the Bible doesn't really help either, as the terms either aren't in there, or aren't used in the same context, for instance Lucifer is used only once in the KJV (and only older ones at that) and it refers to a morning star i.e. the planet Venus.

This has gone a bit off topic though, so...

For a high level daemon, it doesn't look all that, intimidating, but that might just be the pose I suppose.

I'm a fan of that concept art. If they can translate the concepts into a decent army like the Undead and Ogres this could be my 3rd KOW army.

Looks pretty cool.. will be interesting to see what the finished article turns out like.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

Everyone should read the bible at least once for the monsters: like Greek mythology, people name-drop it everywhere. Plus, lots of anime makes a lot more sense...sort of.

In which case all you would know is that Moloch was a god of the Ammonites, and depending on the bible you used, you wouldn't find Elohim in it anywhere (King James for example), as it is translated as god or gods.

I forgot most people don't have the Hebrew-and-English version. It's fun.

Admittedly I would agree that they are simply drawing on terms that exist in some quasibiblical state based on a variety of authors works like Dante, Milton, D&D, etc, rather than a reference to Time Machine. That's just the first place my mind went when I saw Moloch (Oh no, not Morlocks). That said, reading the Bible doesn't really help either, as the terms either aren't in there, or aren't used in the same context, for instance Lucifer is used only once in the KJV (and only older ones at that) and it refers to a morning star i.e. the planet Venus.

You're right. The real fun is in the midrashes or apocrypha. Usually that stuff finds its way into your average mainstream religious education, though. Certainly any writer looking to sift Western mythologies for useful tidbits is going to come across the juicy parts.

This has gone a bit off topic though, so...

For a high level daemon, it doesn't look all that, intimidating, but that might just be the pose I suppose.

Frankly, it looks like a Gremlin (from the movie) at a fetish party. I blame Mantic's art director.

I think it actually looks pretty derivative of the Rackam Mid-Nor Dwarves, which isn't a bad thing since Rackham have gone bust. However, I would like to see proper legs return to their miniatures sometime soon. Please.

Why is the Rackham look so popular? I haven't heard anyone praise GW for releasing oddly-proportioned, overly-cartoony, cgi-looking sculpts, but when Rackham did it it was cool?

Are tiny knock-knees the next big thing?

Well, to be blunt, Rackham did it with style and were a stylish alternative to GW. You could also take or leave any of the particular factions.

Besides, GW has been getting praise for releasing oddly-proportioned, overly-cartoony, cgi-looking sculpts for decades now..

It´s actually only the King James that leaves the elohim out. The continental bible has them in there, refers sometimes to them as Gods/God, but hints at the elohim in the annotations to those words. Also continental bible normally includes the apocryphia.

The variations Eli or Elohim adonai were even left unchanged in there. And the septuaginta and qumran original texts have all the words all over the place.

Berosos pic is out:



It'll do, I guess, fairly middle-of-the-road sculpt that I'll be happy to game with. Looks much better than the WIP did (before Mantic's in-house sculptor fixed it up a little).

Which one was Berosos meant to be, SS? One of the pledge-for-a-sculpt guys, or a generic hero?

I like it a lot. Generic fantasy battle cleric dude. I'll totally pick him up (if he's not one of the freebies from the KS)