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overtyrant wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Do CMoN actually produce anything? I wouldn't even put them in that category. If anything they are just a publisher aren't they? (I may of course be totally wrong)

CMON produce Dark Age which is a fully fledged tabletop game along with all their publishing partnerships

I completely forgot about Dark Age as it's been sooooo long since I played it lol! I probably wouldn't count the publishing partnerships as they don't make them. In that light I would actually put Mantic on a rung above CMoN. And I've completely forgot what the point of this was!

Comparing the quality of the miniatures and the actual game, I'd put CMON and Dark Age several rungs above Mantic.

But then, that's opinions for ya!

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

I'm not sure they even qualify as that, to tell you the truth. They seem 3rd or 4th tier. Obviously Wizards and Wizkids and GW are top-tier. Warlord, Battlefront, etc would be second-tier and Mantic, CMoN, etc would probably be third-tier.

He didn't say wargaming he said gaming. They are a small company, although not tiny in an industry full of small and tiny companies.

Yes. He did say gaming. That's why I talked about Wizards and Wizkids, and didn't just talk about wargaming companies. I did forget FFG because someone came to the door, but Mantic would be 3rd tier at best. Well ahead of all of the 1 and 2-man operations, but well below a lot of the established others.

Dunno if this has been posted, but Soul Reaver Infantry and new Necromancer are out. PICS!!









Necromancer looks super good. The Soul Reavers.... well they're not bad. Maybe it's the paintjob but I was expecting a bit more.

Did they confirm they've started shipping yet?

 heartserenade wrote:
Is that greater demon the same size as an LOTR Balrog? I might just buy a balrog if I'm going to end up trying to salvage that demon with a lot of sculpting anyway.

Get the Balrog. It's a beautiful plastic kit and worth every penny (like the Winged Nazgul).

 Alex C wrote:
Did they confirm they've started shipping yet?

They're shipping the DBX and KoW double backers right now, the DBX only backers have already started receiving wave 3

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Did they confirm they've started shipping yet?

They're shipping the DBX and KoW double backers right now, the DBX only backers have already started receiving wave 3

They said they would start shipping when the book came in on the 6th for DBX/KoW backers, but I haven't heard confirmation they actually did start.

Just eager for my toys!

 judgedoug wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
Is that greater demon the same size as an LOTR Balrog? I might just buy a balrog if I'm going to end up trying to salvage that demon with a lot of sculpting anyway.

Get the Balrog. It's a beautiful plastic kit and worth every penny (like the Winged Nazgul).

Isn't it metal? I'm pretty sure it's metal.

It was metal, but they eventually converted it.

Don't know about that Valondor sculpt, as they showed a fully painted up one and it looked a lot sharper. Whether that's because it's a clean paint job or whether it's a different model, I don't know, but it looks completely fine all painted up.

Is that possibly a resin master?

Studio paint jobs are always on masters, not final production models iirc.

Vampire infantry and knights look good, but with that paint job its really hard to make out details on the armor. They could actually look worse than they seem, or better. Time will tell, I suppose.

I have to say, I'm a huge fan of the necromancer. I don't like most of the Mantic heroes, but that one is spot on for me.

Some more info on the next supplement for Kings of War - Uncharted Empires:

http://manticblog.com/2015/08/07/kings-of-war-ratkin-now-available-for-free-download/

Ratkin list is up for download too, full army list:

http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/File/KINGS%20OF%20WAR/ratkin.pdf

Oh man, that book sounds great - will definitely be picking it up. Didn't realize it would be a full stand-alone book (rather than just like a PDF) so very stoked about that (as is our group who are all planning armies now - it begins!).

Dat book is a must-buy!

Surprise lists?

Hmm... Dark Elves, probably. And Sigmarines?

 infinite_array wrote:
Surprise lists?

Hmm... Dark Elves, probably. And Sigmarines?

Fishmen and Grass Monsters.

 infinite_array wrote:
Surprise lists?

Hmm... Dark Elves, probably. And Sigmarines?

The temporary twilight kin list for v2 will be out on the 22nd alongside the v2 launch.

Cool that the book will get a physical release. From the way things sounds, it makes me wonder if Mantic will ever consider making their own rats and lizards at some future point in time.

Trying to figure out some of the Skaven equivalents though.

I don't have large blocks of rat infantry painted, but I do have most of the larger war machines/ monstrous stuff painted.

Can I get away with blocks of large infantry? Do they count as regular infantry towards hero/ warmachine selection? Thinking of putting a few units of Wolfen/ Warpwolves/ Skorza as Brutes to flesh out my Rat Ogre ranks.

Gotta figure out where to put an End Times Thanqoul as well. Demonspawn?

Anyone have a good source for giant rat mounts? Wouldn't mind some rat cavalry.

 Alex C wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
Surprise lists?

Hmm... Dark Elves, probably. And Sigmarines?

Fishmen and Grass Monsters.

Ssssshhhh.... :p

Quite liking those Soul Reavers, will pick them up, they are killer in KoW.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Cool that the book will get a physical release. From the way things sounds, it makes me wonder if Mantic will ever consider making their own rats and lizards at some future point in time.

well the salamanders are coming out with the nature army.

I forgot to bug the guys about while at GenCon - When are the abyssal HIPS due to goto general sale?

Next year I thought they said recently...?

 judgedoug wrote:
Is that actually soft detail or gakky camera/flash syndrome on slightly glossy material?

Looks like both, to me.


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 plastictrees wrote:

Nope. This isn`t fine art. Obviously there are subjective elements but ultimately this is a craft and that mini is an example of a very poor attempt at the craft of mini sculpting.
Why is GW also producing dubious miniatures always brought up as a counter argument? If we, as a community, accept garbage from miniature companies we will continue to receive garbage.

Your outrage is well out of proportion.

I brought up Pumbagor in response to your over the top question of "how one of the biggest game companies can be allowed to release it". Key sections there being "how can one of the biggest" - counterpoint being that the actual biggest does just as bad or worse - and if GW does it it then your argument based around company size is a flawed one.

Second key point being "allowed". Well that's an easy one. Unlike Leonardo DiCaprio, you're not the King of the World. Therefore, Mantic, GW, anyone else can release whatever they want. If they release gak, then far fewer people will buy it. That's called the free market or the power of the consumer. If you'd pledged for it and that's what they released, I can understand being upset ($25, isn't it?) but those are the risks with backing models sight-unseen in a KS, and Mantic has already taught me (and I thought, most of us) our lessons there with the Men At Arms, Trolls and so forth.

I don't think that Demon is awesome, but it's objectively not completely terrible either. If it's Greater Daemon sized for $25, then.... well it's okay as is. and it looks salvageable into something quite decent if someone was willing to put in the extra work.






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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Vampire infantry and knights look good, but with that paint job its really hard to make out details on the armor. They could actually look worse than they seem, or better. Time will tell, I suppose.

Agreed. Those are pretty sub-par paintjobs to show off the models. They'd be ok as "alternate schemes" but not the main one that's used to sell the models.

$25 retail or through kickstarter? I was assuming it would cost as much as the GOG. For $40, in a market with $12ish Bones greater demons, Mantic's minis need to be better than not bad.

$25 in the KS. No idea on the retail price, but good point - it won't compare well at retail to other options. But then there's that whole "power of the marketplace" thing, innit?

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It was metal, but they eventually converted it.

Oooh, any difference in sculpt with the metal and the plastic versions?

That Valndor sculpt needs a photo where it's facing in the front.