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 mattjgilbert wrote:
Submit the form but I don't think they are processing any until the 7th December.

Really? I'm a little surprised, to be honest; I asked because I suspected contacting Mantic now would be premature, but I haven't kept track of the Dungeon Saga KS delivery as much as I usually monitor these things since I only bought the one item. I didn't want to create more bother for them if it's in the mail or hasn't even been posted yet.

But I respect that you're informed, and will follow your recommendation and email them. It's fine with me if processing takes awhile. Mantic have always responded to any missing / damaged item problems I've had, not always in a timely manner, but with patience they have always come through for me in the end. That's good with me.

@Anyone - I just noticed Mantic has stated they intend to re-open the DS pledge manager. Can anyone comment on the quality of the DS figures relative to Mars Attacks and Dreadball Xtreme? I'm currently only in for Blaine, but might be tempted to add more figures.

The update isn't clear about it opening the PM might just be to allow people to pay for shipping for the reprinted journal and they will offer the book boxes as well but it doesn't necessarily mean they will offer anything else this close to the retail release that might upset retailers

They will have a DS novel (yay), but confirmed Matt Gilbert's Adventure Books will be Digital (they even capitalized that word--boo!). Matt Gilbert, did you spill hot coffee on Ronnie's dog or something?

I can't believe Mantic is being so short-sighted about the adventure books. A novel's great and all (seriously, I am excited), but who else in the industry is doing adventure books? How easy would they be to upsell to DS customers, or suggest to Christmas box buyers as stocking stuffers? CMON can get their games into Barnes and Noble and other mainstream stores, but Mantic can't; adventure books would be much easier to use as a foot in the door that doesn't require a lot of shelf space.

certainly they could at least be Print On Demand?

I'm with Bob. I actually had added money for physical adventure books. I miss them! I really wanted them, and would gladly take them over the novel if given a choice.

I still was under the impression that the adventurer's companion was going to include all the KS adventures at one point. Seems like they're back tracking on that. Photo error my ass. I don't have the time to dig through the updates but I could have sworn they were all supposed to be in one giant tome of a book. If I can get another copy of the book for the cost of shipping to have on hand to share with other players, I don't see that as such a bad thing. I'll get another.

Still unclear on the whole book issue. When they open the PM, am I just paying for shipping if I want a new one, or am I paying an unknown cost for the book as well? Why not postpone it so they can include all those campaigns in print form as well? I don't get it.

I wonder if they'll let us get more resins in the PM?

 judgedoug wrote:
certainly they could at least be Print On Demand?

That would be a step forward and a good way to gauge interest. Adventure books just won't work the same way if you have to scroll through all the intervening pages instead of flipping past them, unless they put in a thousand hotlinks.

Plus, Mantic does not want to go into direct competition with MS Paint Adventures. They don't have the Pulchritude.


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Highlord, it sounds like you get one (1) free book, so long as you pay $4 for shipping. I wonder if they'll let me buy one for $4, despite the fact that I did not pledge for any items that included books...

The digital only Adventure book is clearly a break with what they promised in update 44 for the first one

'If we break 4,500 backers, we will include a digital copy of this book in every copy of the Dungeon Master pledge level ($100 and Early Bird).

We will also print a run on demand and make them available to add-on to your pledge for $5 if you would like a physical copy.'

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest/posts/969025

and 52 for the second one

'If we break 5,500 backers, we will include a digital copy of this book in every copy of the Dungeon Master pledge level ($100 and Early Bird).

We will also print a run on demand and make them available to add-on to your pledge for $5 if you would like a physical cop '

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest/posts/970772


But the Adventurers companion was never intended to include all the KS adventures, they specifically call out a bunch of them being in their own books

(not specifically called out as having physical copies although it would be easy to make that assumption)

Honestly, I think the adventure gamebooks are worth a kickstarter all to themselves.

Almost nobody has published any since the 90's.

Was looking forward to the Lone Wolf re-release until Mongoose (predictably) screwed it up.

That was annoying (to say the least) wasn't it

(I also think there'd be some pretty good mileage with going point and click style digital as and android/iOS app with some simple background art for the text/options too)

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Is that kinda thing allowed? I skimmed the rules once, don't ever remember rules unless I play a lot

And if you're talking about 5 models on a '6 model' horde base, you're cool there too

The FAQ has further specifics about needing 50% +1 models of the 'normal amount' of models to be totally kosher (so horde of large infantry = 4+), but I have a feeling there's even more leeway for modeling if needed. I've seen several "one really giant thing on a really big base" to rep things like mammoths that count as a horde of chariots, for example.

- Salvage

Honestly the 50%+1 is the absolute bear minimum regardless. The recommended is at least 66%, with general guidelines of 70-80% given by Mantic. 50%+1 should be viewed as the same "3 colours minimum" guideline for tournaments... The "leeway" is taking the general guidelines of 66%+ (70-80% recommended) down to 50%+1.

Remember that it is a mass battle regimental game. Yes, in-game the physical footprint of the unit are the thing that matters, but going down to 6 regular models representing 40 just does not mesh with the style of game that KoW represents. Fine when playing friendlies amongst friends (same as unpainted figures) but really people should be aiming for the recommended amounts, in exactly the same way as unpainted being fine for friendlies but realistically people should be aiming for the basic hobby level expected at events.

Some Open Day images courtesy of @FistyGlueMan on the Twitter (c/o Chris Jericho there):

3d dungeon saga board (I assume not a retail release)



Mystery characters:





Abyss forces:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Mystery characters:

A Goon pledged for that, the literal brief for this mini was "Danny Glover, as a halfling, who joined the disc world night watch, with a big ass crossbow", and it's amazing

With Hannibal from the A Team's cigar. They nailed it.

The mystery characters are interesting

Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

I wonder if that's the hinted-at next Kickstarter, supposedly a licensed post-apocalypse game of some sort.

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Mystery characters:

A Goon pledged for that, the literal brief for this mini was "Danny Glover, as a halfling, who joined the disc world night watch, with a big ass crossbow", and it's amazing

That is an amazing brief for the sculptor

 Psychopomp wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

I wonder if that's the hinted-at next Kickstarter, supposedly a licensed post-apocalypse game of some sort.

Fallout: The Tabletop Miniatures Game, will make them a fortune. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

A fantasy skirmish game is a long, long way off yet.

But yes, the game they saw will be Mantics biggest success by far. I'd put bets down on a minimum $1.5m Kickstarter and would give good odds on $3m+

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Psychopomp wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

I wonder if that's the hinted-at next Kickstarter, supposedly a licensed post-apocalypse game of some sort.

Fallout: The Tabletop Miniatures Game, will make them a fortune. :-p

If it really is going to be Fallout/Not-Fallout then me and the missus are prepared to pledge enough to get Ronnie that 3rd Roller he wants.

 Daedleh wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

A fantasy skirmish game is a long, long way off yet.

But yes, the game they saw will be Mantics biggest success by far. I'd put bets down on a minimum $1.5m Kickstarter and would give good odds on $3m+

Will the KS launch to the tune of, "I don't want to set the world... on fire...." ? ;-)

I've heard whispers from my Mantic friends that make me think of only two possible IPs, and either will see me pledging generously. ;-)

$250,000 Stretch Goal: If we reach this stretch goal we will hire a team of proofreaders. Honest.

 Daedleh wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

A fantasy skirmish game is a long, long way off yet.

But yes, the game they saw will be Mantics biggest success by far. I'd put bets down on a minimum $1.5m Kickstarter and would give good odds on $3m+

So it's a spaceship battle game? With 10mm scale vehicles? And space marines? A Specialized Game, you might say?


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Will they let us pay for add ons and then drop them once they have our money, like they did with the printed adventure game books? Nothing says trustworthy like a company who lets us pay for stuff, closes funding, and then decides not to make what we paid for. Maybe Mantic should hire a new mascot: Palladium Prodos, the Seditious Warrior.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

A fantasy skirmish game is a long, long way off yet.

But yes, the game they saw will be Mantics biggest success by far. I'd put bets down on a minimum $1.5m Kickstarter and would give good odds on $3m+

Will the KS launch to the tune of, "I don't want to set the world... on fire...." ? ;-)

I've heard whispers from my Mantic friends that make me think of only two possible IPs, and either will see me pledging generously. ;-)

I was extremely surprised when I found out what it was

When do we find out? Or are we expected to enjoy months of coy teasing and vacuous hype before we can finally dismiss this next project as the half-hearted cash grab it will no doubt be?

 Daedleh wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Apparently a top-secret game was also shown behind closed doors, with people getting a glimpse claiming it will be Mantic's most runaway success ever.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it was the long-rumored, fantasy-skirmish game.

A fantasy skirmish game is a long, long way off yet.

But yes, the game they saw will be Mantics biggest success by far. I'd put bets down on a minimum $1.5m Kickstarter and would give good odds on $3m+

Will the KS launch to the tune of, "I don't want to set the world... on fire...." ? ;-)

I've heard whispers from my Mantic friends that make me think of only two possible IPs, and either will see me pledging generously. ;-)

I was extremely surprised when I found out what it was

...So we've finally found out where that HH skirmish game gets made, now

I'm also hoping we find out soon so we don't get too many more "OMG I TOTES KNOW WHAT IT IS!" posts!

This is basically the equivalent of the kid at school that claims to have seen the test paper, but refuses to tell anyone anything other than coy remarks

What it needs now is a 'bully' to flush them in the loos until they spill the beans (Alpharius?!)

Very exciting though, I wonder what the licence could possibly be to get this kind of response !

willb2064 wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Mystery characters:

A Goon pledged for that, the literal brief for this mini was "Danny Glover, as a halfling, who joined the disc world night watch, with a big ass crossbow", and it's amazing

That is an amazing brief for the sculptor

That is quite simply the best brief for a sculptor I have ever seen

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm also hoping we find out soon so we don't get too many more "OMG I TOTES KNOW WHAT IT IS!" posts!

To be fair, actual NDAs are involved... but if experience has taught me anything... just ask Ronnie. :-p He loves to reveal stuff he isn't supposed to, right after telling people not to share said information. :-p

Someone in one of the facebook groups said 2 weeks


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 Pacific wrote:
This is basically the equivalent of the kid at school that claims to have seen the test paper, but refuses to tell anyone anything other than coy remarks

What it needs now is a 'bully' to flush them in the loos until they spill the beans (Alpharius?!)

Very exciting though, I wonder what the licence could possibly be to get this kind of response !

willb2064 wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Mystery characters:

A Goon pledged for that, the literal brief for this mini was "Danny Glover, as a halfling, who joined the disc world night watch, with a big ass crossbow", and it's amazing

That is an amazing brief for the sculptor

That is quite simply the best brief for a sculptor I have ever seen

It's important to note that halfling is "too old for this gak" and "only 2 weeks away from retirement"