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That Trolls legs are sooo bad! Like the rest of the model and other offerings.

Well, the Troll Bruiser's look is identical to the "normal" trolls. I kinda like those, so I m fine with the bruiser...

I still would neverever buy them... I love my mierce Miniatures miniatures way too much :(

Like many, tiny leg syndrome doesn't work for me, but having produced the unit models like that (and as a long term victim of GW's treatment of CSM and HE), I would rather have further releases be consistent in style.

It would be nice if someone (possibly mantic) would release alternative troll legs to make less ridiculously top heavy. The design of the trolls would be quite nice otherwise.

Though the body is in one part I think so perhaps it would be too much work to replace the legs. Better to just purchase from another line.

 Zywus wrote:
It would be nice if someone (possibly mantic) would release alternative troll legs to make less ridiculously top heavy. The design of the trolls would be quite nice otherwise.

Though the body is in one part I think so perhaps it would be too much work to replace the legs. Better to just purchase from another line.

^This! I really like the trolls and they are the right size to work in Restic but the legs are preventing me getting anymore (still got my KS ones).

overtyrant wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
It would be nice if someone (possibly mantic) would release alternative troll legs to make less ridiculously top heavy. The design of the trolls would be quite nice otherwise.

Though the body is in one part I think so perhaps it would be too much work to replace the legs. Better to just purchase from another line.

^This! I really like the trolls and they are the right size to work in Restic but the legs are preventing me getting anymore (still got my KS ones).

Yeah, the decision to double down on the teeny-tiny legs is baffling.

Wights look really cool, as in, I can't think of anything comparable to them that exists in the wide world of miniatures.

Everything else is kinda bleh. Like clearance bin Reaper sculpts from 2003. or pre-Warmachine, Iron Kingdoms miniatures.

Agreed, those Wights are sweet! The Lycan's not bad at all, imo, and the troll will be great as soon as they decide to use bigger legs - a conversion kit might not be a bad idea

 judgedoug wrote:
Wights look really cool, as in, I can't think of anything comparable to them that exists in the wide world of miniatures.

Everything else is kinda bleh. Like clearance bin Reaper sculpts from 2003. or pre-Warmachine, Iron Kingdoms miniatures.

I used godslayer troglodyte longshadows for my wights. Honestly I'd do it again if I had the choice today. It's a fairly similar concept, too.

Can we even say they "skipped" leg day any more? I think we really need to face up to the fact that they never had any intention of addressing their legs, no matter the day.

I will add my voice to the calls for a third party leg maker for Mantic. There is probably money to be made there, given how many people are getting into KoW and how bad the legs are. The tough part would be deciding where to start. Or, well I guess the tough part is really being able to sculpt the legs, which puts me out of the running

 Bolognesus wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Wights look really cool, as in, I can't think of anything comparable to them that exists in the wide world of miniatures.

Everything else is kinda bleh. Like clearance bin Reaper sculpts from 2003. or pre-Warmachine, Iron Kingdoms miniatures.

I used godslayer troglodyte longshadows for my wights. Honestly I'd do it again if I had the choice today. It's a fairly similar concept, too.

This post prompted me to go look.. which led to me discovering the "Feral Fleshpounder" which I will be snickering about for at least another hour so thank you for that.
The longshadows are pretty sweet too. I can't decide if I like the Mantic ones a little better or not.. They are fairly stylized by comparison to the Godslayer ones but I am a bit undecided..

I could see a Fluff piece written about how trolls almost took over Mantica, the only thing that stops their advance was a set of regular stairs that they were unable to climb because of the height of each step . It's almost like an upside down Tyrannosaurus rex .

I'm tempted to convert one into a troll-centaur, with a troll's torso and the lower body of a housecat.

I know that I am in the minority, and may in fact be the only one, but I rather like the tiny legs on the trolls. Looking at the models from above the tabletop gives a kind of forced-perspective that makes them seem even more massive. Your Mileage May Vary, of course, but it works for me.

 MLaw wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Wights look really cool, as in, I can't think of anything comparable to them that exists in the wide world of miniatures.

Everything else is kinda bleh. Like clearance bin Reaper sculpts from 2003. or pre-Warmachine, Iron Kingdoms miniatures.

I used godslayer troglodyte longshadows for my wights. Honestly I'd do it again if I had the choice today. It's a fairly similar concept, too.

This post prompted me to go look.. which led to me discovering the "Feral Fleshpounder" which I will be snickering about for at least another hour so thank you for that.
The longshadows are pretty sweet too. I can't decide if I like the Mantic ones a little better or not.. They are fairly stylized by comparison to the Godslayer ones but I am a bit undecided..

Growing up is overrated
The longshadows are quite well-sculpted, finely detailed models for sure. I'm not too impressed with what I can glean from the one available pic in that regard but I might change my mind once better pics turn up. I am slowly warming up to them a little - suppose in the end it might largely be a matter of taste between those two options. They are very similarly priced (per model that is).

 MLaw wrote:

I haven't been keeping up with KoW. Where do I look to see what all is needed to hop in (especially if I have tons of models already). Are the newest armies in the main rulebook?

Zywus got you with the rules links. Basically, if you've got tons of models then you're pretty much set to start whenever you like. Just hammer your models into an army list and you're good.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm tempted to convert one into a troll-centaur, with a troll's torso and the lower body of a housecat.

Annnnnnnd literally just choked on my coffee

OT: Wights look really solid, and I actually like the Bruiser, tiny legs or otherwise. Probably because he's Hefting His Weapon Whilst Pointing - a personal fetish of mine

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm tempted to convert one into a troll-centaur, with a troll's torso and the lower body of a housecat.

Annnnnnnd literally just choked on my coffee

OT: Wights look really solid, and I actually like the Bruiser, tiny legs or otherwise. Probably because he's Hefting His Weapon Whilst Pointing - a personal fetish of mine

- Salvage

Your Facebook page shows a strange lack of certain Omega's pulling such a pose. FIX IT.

In return, I can probably teach Olive to pull that pose while babbling "Forwahd!"

Is there any word about missing Gamer's Editions or Blaine on dinosaurs being shipped? I don't want to send a message if I don't have to...

Not heard anything about missing gamers editions.

But you are 100% certainly NOT going to get your missing Blaine on dionsaur. For whatever crazy reason, Mantic are unable to fufill that for people who they missed out the first time round. However, you should get that personally confirmed from mantic first.

What will then (probably) happen is that mantic will ask you if you would prefer a substitute similarly sized miniature, and what one.

Personally, if I was affected by this mistake (fortunately, I wasn't, but a couple of my mates were), I would have found it to be as big a farce as the Adventurers Companion screw up.

When are they planning to contact us about the Blaine issue?

There was a wishy washy reference to, "some missing models" in one of their KoW updates or emails/comments and being unable to source replacements, therefore providing alternatives for them if you contact them, if I remember right.

They've never specifically said "Blaine" though.

Is my entire KoW2 order being held while they look for an alternative? If they contacted me, I would be happy to make my preferences known. Instead, I am in the dark with no show for my rewards.

Probably not, I imagine they've just screwed up in general on that front.

It's worth highlighting that everything I know is from various stories / complaints about my mates who have had problems. - I just went in for the simple rulebook/Blaine pledge.

I suppose the advantage they've had, is that, with us being in the UK, they've been able to contact mantic directly/in-person and ask, "what the heck is going on?" to a real human being rather than a ticketing service.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is my entire KoW2 order being held while they look for an alternative? If they contacted me, I would be happy to make my preferences known. Instead, I am in the dark with no show for my rewards.

Their customer service/fulfillment is terrible beyond belief for a company of its size. I've lost all faith in Mantic's ability to handle even straight forward complaints.

As you might know, I was missing movement trays and counters from my kickstarter pledge, with a handwritten note "to follow" pointing to the missing items on my invoice. Like a good boy, I filled out a ticket, and I emailed Rick Armstrong.

He wrote back on November 19:

The trays literally only came in last Friday so I would expect the remaining items to be shipped shortly.

I'll send a reminder to the warehouse regarding this

Then on December 2nd, he wrote:

we were awaiting the tray stock which have come in and your missing parts have been shipped.

I, of course, never got them, so I emailed and let them know. He responded on January 18:

These recently came in so follow up orders are being sent.

Those reading closely will see that I got three different status on the trays: arrived in November, arrived and shipped in December, and just arrived in January. hmm...

I finally sent this email on February 19: "I'm just checking in to see if there has been any progress finding my counters or movement trays.
I see they are still listed as out of stock on the webstore. I'd really like to move on with my life, and so I'm going to order what I need for adepticon from another vendor. As you can imagine, my frustration at waiting over a year since the pledge manager, and six months since they should have arrived is quite high. I feel that mantic in general, and you specifically, have not been upfront with me on the ability to procure these items. I have lost a lot esteem for a company I've been a loyal customer of for since the first plastic elves."

His response on March 2:

Yes it has been a long time but saying I have not been upfront is nonsense.
I have supplied you with the information I have had when I have had it.

I will ask the warehouse to ship another package out to you fully tracked.

Please reconfirm a suitable shipping address and contact number so we can be sure they reach you.

So... They've had my money for a year. They clearly failed to order enough product to fulfill wave one pledges. I've been given different stories about when the stock will arrive. They are promising to ship me something that is still noted as pre-order only on their webstore. I've had to buy the same thing from a third party so I could use it at an event.

Yet somehow, when I say I feel they haven't been upfront with me, that's "nonsense"? What branch of customer service training teaches that?

I am a huge fan of Mantic's products and rules. But I was really offended by this, and I think I'm going to pull the plug on my support for them. If they can't scrape together the business acumen to at least pretend to be sorry when caught misrepresenting something, then they deserve to fail.

Polonius, I've had similarly strange conversations with Mantic via messages in Kickstarters. They don't seem to be keeping up with what's going on or have a policy of "tell them what they want to hear" or something.. I don't know. I think they have non-customer service people handling the message channels and they've not invested in actual customer service or a reliable tracking system. There were posts across their previous kickstarters that they've implemented some kind of system to bolster customer service but to me, that's a sign that they don't actually understand that some of the root problems are through their communications and addressing customers as though we are simply money trees. I was on the verge of converting into KoW2 but I think I'll just look at other systems :/

 MLaw wrote:
I was on the verge of converting into KoW2 but I think I'll just look at other systems :/

Don't be dissuaded from trying the game, it is superb. You can always use models from another manufacturer if you prefer, but I'd highly recommend picking up the Rulebook and Uncharted Empires.

I am sure that Rich gave me the best information he had, when he had it. That's understandable. But at least try to see how that feels from my end, when I'm repeatedly told that my product will ship "soon."

I'm sure he was lied to, and just passed it down. If that's the case, say so. Don't tell me I'm spouting nonsense when I have three emails from the same guy, all promising me prompt delivery of something I still don't have!

Polonius, that is spectacularly poor customer service. I wouldn't let Rich off the hook so easily, though. He told me and at least one other dakkanaut that he would take care of an issue "next week" late last year, only for us to find out he was actually going on vacation "next week" and the week after that, and that Dave didn't seem to know anything about Rich's ongoing service inquiries. He may not be the weakest link in the chain, but he's not exactly a paragon of ethics, either.

At least we have a new Mantic meme!

Mantic: "You're nonsense!"

Similar situation with me and Rich. I ordered the base pledge (rulebooks, blaine, Ronnie, tokens) and the package I recieved was Blaine with a note saying this completes your order, sorry about the delay. I contacted rich and he promised to look into it. Then he said he would ship once they got the next stock order in. Then he said he had scrounged everything up for me and he would ship it that day. The next day I asked him for a tracking number and he posted in the KS comments section that he was leaving on vacation and that Chris(I think) was taking over while he was out. I recieved a note from the other guy the next day saying he was working on getting my order together to ship. When I contacted him back saying that Rich had promised that he shipped it the replacement guy said that he was still going to ship my pledge and If I got both then we would cross that bridge. I only got the package from Chris (his name on the signature line), which included an extra blaine (since they already sent me one , already given away) and an extra Ronnie figure (also given away). I blasted Rich on the comments section because he was busy calling other people having similar issues "Liars". I feel sorry for those who still have not gotten their items, I hope Blaine isn't the issue as they told me to keep the extra one they sent me. At this point if it is that model I think they need to sculpt an alternate one to send out to the people who are still missing items.