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I for one welcome our new murloc overlords.

 Zywus wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
MaA are fairly big/chunky/heroic. I doubt arms made for historical plastics would scale too well, but more power to you if you can make it work

It might be a bit optimistic yeah, but without having held the models in my own hands, my impression is that the M@A is actually quite decently scaled outside their horrible ape-arms and while bulkier than say Perry minis, not as beefy as modern GW sculpts.

With Fireforge being slightly bigger than Perry's as well there's a decent chance it'd work. It's a bit of a gamble for sure, which is why I need the price to drop before I'll take the pluge.

I don't think they'll work. I've got some fireforge knights, and they are teeny. GW Empire arms work pretty well, though.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
MaA are fairly big/chunky/heroic. I doubt arms made for historical plastics would scale too well, but more power to you if you can make it work

It might be a bit optimistic yeah, but without having held the models in my own hands, my impression is that the M@A is actually quite decently scaled outside their horrible ape-arms and while bulkier than say Perry minis, not as beefy as modern GW sculpts.

With Fireforge being slightly bigger than Perry's as well there's a decent chance it'd work. It's a bit of a gamble for sure, which is why I need the price to drop before I'll take the pluge.

I don't think they'll work. I've got some fireforge knights, and they are teeny. GW Empire arms work pretty well, though.

Ok I might have underestimated the size then. But GW arms should be a decent fit then. I believe I have a bunch of free-company models somewhere with a bunch of spare arms.

I dug out this old thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/553823.page
wherein none other than @BobtheInquisitor (what a swell guy eh? ) has given the M@A's the latest generation GW state trooper arms, which indeed fit decently (if perhaps slightly too large).

Ah, yeah that works. Bit expensive for what they'll still turn out to be but if you have the arms already that's a beauty of a fix.

 Polonius wrote:
The pictures linked by JudgeDoug show the Roman list, and it looks like most armies around built around a "master list," which includes small bolt throwers and catapults, with the romans having access to both.

But what about the undead Romans???

http://imgur.com/JWi33hu

http://imgur.com/ieT4ofd

http://imgur.com/0WpFR3s

http://imgur.com/AkWfqKq

http://imgur.com/bELLw89

http://imgur.com/WKyZYwG

 zane5546 wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The pictures linked by JudgeDoug show the Roman list, and it looks like most armies around built around a "master list," which includes small bolt throwers and catapults, with the romans having access to both.

But what about the undead Romans???

http://imgur.com/JWi33hu

http://imgur.com/ieT4ofd

http://imgur.com/0WpFR3s

http://imgur.com/AkWfqKq

http://imgur.com/bELLw89

http://imgur.com/WKyZYwG

Try black cat bases for undead romans

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The global campaign sounds pretty exciting. I hope they have some kind of novel or BL-style in-universe flavor book planned.

The original promised campaign was Destiny of Kings, I've not heard that it won't still be that.

New stuff shown, courtesy of 'Until Somebody Loses An Eye":
http://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2016/09/thundering-across-field.html

Slave orc Gore riders:

At first glance it seems a little underwhelming to pay an extra $10 for some metal addons when you could just use the regular gore rider kit.

You do however get a swanky abyssal dwarf slave driver in a chariot to mix into the unit.

If that's 10 gore riders and a chariot I'd consider it money well spent. If it's just 8 gore riders and the chariot I'm less convinced.




Also shown are the Elven chariots:




They look decent, but I feel something's slightly off about them. Perhaps it's the horses not really fitting the chariots? Maybe it's just me.

Horses don't seem fancy enough for the chariot

That's probably it.
It's horses from Warlord I believe and while they're of good quality in and of themselves, they do lack a certain flamboyance and fancy-ness associated with elves. At least the kind of elves who'd ride around in white bird-chariots

Sining wrote:
Horses don't seem fancy enough for the chariot

Yes, I felt the same way, especially after reading the description"

Pulled by swift Elven steeds, War Chariots are prized for racing events among the Elves of Mantica.

Those horses don't seem to be either A) swift or B) Elven.

Those horses are pretty damn swift when putting away scotch-and-soda to drown out their miseries. Just look at those faces.

Could be the painting letting these down, but the only one that catches my eye is the dwarf in chariot. That's pretty funny and cool in the unit!

The paint job really isn't helping, but what really catches my eye is the gopping great unfilled gap between horse body and neck.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those horses are pretty damn swift when putting away scotch-and-soda to drown out their miseries. Just look at those faces.

Bwahahaha! Good one! Of course, when the gray one nearest the camera tried hitting on a little filly, and she said she wouldn't go out with him because he was "hung like a human", you can understand why he'd turn to drink!

Ugh. The problem with those horses is that their pose doesn't convey pulling weight, or any realistic horse motion, really. It's like somebody used a Playmobil horse as their reference. And the chariots look like they're made from Play-doh. A lump with some crudely carved wing relief and realistic Play-doh sausages complete with randomly varying thickness for a frame .

I wouldn't spend money on the elf chariots. The sculpting just looks really amateur, like a practice sculpt for someone who just learned the basics. The orcs look passable but 'meh' to me. But that slave driver chariot... that I really like. It's a really cool design and I love how it fits into the unit to drive home the point that these are slave fighters.

This is where someone pipes in to defend the Mantic elf chariots by claiming that they're as good or better than any elven chariot that GW has ever produced.

I wouldn't go that far but I think the actual chariot body looks decent enough. It's just that the horses are ill-fitting and the crew is the much maligned old mantic elf scupts.

I sorta like the mantic elves but their posing is incredible boring. Bow armed models should always have a lot of mid-shooting poses.

The plastic elf bowmen posed like caddies for the real archers are the saddest missed opportunity in Mantic's catalogue...except for all the other ones since then.


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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those horses are pretty damn swift when putting away scotch-and-soda to drown out their miseries. Just look at those faces.

Bwahahaha! Good one! Of course, when the gray one nearest the camera tried hitting on a little filly, and she said she wouldn't go out with him because he was "hung like a human", you can understand why he'd turn to drink!

Perhaps she might also comment on the well-known "swiftness" of eleven steeds.

 Azazelx wrote:
This is where someone pipes in to defend the Mantic elf chariots by claiming that they're as good or better than any elven chariot that GW has ever produced.

I would not go further than stating that these chariots are excellent for what they are - Mantic elf chariots. If price is right, they may be right for their price too! Not all chariots need to be charging forward full speed, so some standing at ready could be welcome. What I like least about these kits is how mish-mashed they are - very plain carriage barely fit horses and in turn they do not fit the aesthetics of the crew very much. if I ever go for a chariot-heavy KoW elven army, I will probably get a box of these chariots, but will scratchbuild the rest.

In contrast the slave driver chariot is very good just as it is, no complains and all the praise!

* I do not remember GW elf chariots, except for their lions. Lions were decent. The rest probably didn't inspire me enough to be remembered.
** While typing this text my keyboard ate the word "excellent". It is indeed difficult to put "excellent" and "Mantic" in one sentence!

I wish they had a bit more detail. The current design looks too much like my elf swan boat chariot, and would take a lot of work to bling one out properly.



I'd want a chariot Krishna would be seen riding to war in.




Great. Now I have the TLR version stuck in my head.

Yikes, those are an excellent advertisement for GW's lion chariot if I ever saw one.

Shame they're barely showing the really rather good tortured souls and abyssal hounds which are in that very same KoW preorder section right now.

@Zywus AFAIK those gore riders come five per bag, I'd be quite surprised if they'd retooled to the extent needed to leave out that couple of bits - you'd probably have two spare riders and a spare mount.

 Bolognesus wrote:
@Zywus AFAIK those gore riders come five per bag, I'd be quite surprised if they'd retooled to the extent needed to leave out that couple of bits - you'd probably have two spare riders and a spare mount.

Yea I reckon so too.
Since the picture show only 8 + chariot, I thought it safest to add that caveat though.

 Azazelx wrote:
This is where someone pipes in to defend the Mantic elf chariots by claiming that they're as good or better than any elven chariot that GW has ever produced.

Eh, the chariots are alright - the horses are definitely 'meh'.

The best chariots that GW ever made were the ones for Tomb Kings, other than that... never all that excited by chariots in general.

If I ever do get these, they will be pulled by skeletal steeds....

The Auld Grump

Game wise, the elves chariots are the Billy Baldwin to the Drakon riders Alec Baldwin, so at least it's not a great unit.

Even with the mantic curve, they just aren't great.

That said, an all mantic (or mostly Mantic) abyssal army is looking better and better.

Just get a replacement for that truly hideous monstrous creature daemon-thing and you'd be okay. Kind of the first full army since the undead they've done really well (mostly) in it's entirety.

Being in the US, I have easy access to Reaper Bones, so monsters are the least of my worries.

I still have a painted ultraforge pleasure demon that I can rebase as well.

 Polonius wrote:
Game wise, the elves chariots are the Billy Baldwin to the Drakon riders Alec Baldwin, so at least it's not a great unit.

Even with the mantic curve, they just aren't great.

That said, an all mantic (or mostly Mantic) abyssal army is looking better and better.

The plastic abyssal warriors and Succubi are both great kits, about on the level with their old Renedra kits, although on smaller sprues with fewer optional extras.

Wirecat wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
This is where someone pipes in to defend the Mantic elf chariots by claiming that they're as good or better than any elven chariot that GW has ever produced.

I would not go further than stating that these chariots are excellent for what they are - Mantic elf chariots. If price is right, they may be right for their price too! Not all chariots need to be charging forward full speed, so some standing at ready could be welcome. What I like least about these kits is how mish-mashed they are - very plain carriage barely fit horses and in turn they do not fit the aesthetics of the crew very much. if I ever go for a chariot-heavy KoW elven army, I will probably get a box of these chariots, but will scratchbuild the rest.

In contrast the slave driver chariot is very good just as it is, no complains and all the praise!

* I do not remember GW elf chariots, except for their lions. Lions were decent. The rest probably didn't inspire me enough to be remembered.
** While typing this text my keyboard ate the word "excellent". It is indeed difficult to put "excellent" and "Mantic" in one sentence!

If you'd like to see Warhammer Elf Chariots, just type those three words into GIS and like magic....

I agree with your specific critique of their flaws, but I disagree with you on the Mantic aspect, though. I don't think they are "excellent" for "Mantic Elf Chariots", as the company has shown on a number of occasions that they can in fact produce some objectively really nice models. I think they're another example of the lack of strong art direction, uneven quality and a willingness to accept any old tosh in their model lines. I do applaud them for not kickstarting them, but they need to up the bar on model quality.

And I also think the Chaos Dwarf chariot is decent. It's not amazing, but it's not embarrassing, either - it's decent enough that I'd have one in my army without squirming.