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Decrepit Dakkanaut




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 kodos wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:


If Mantic says 'Resin', does that mean similar to FW resin?
don't know what FW is doing at the moment, but yes Resin (Polyurethane) like everyone else

If Mantic says "Hard Plastic" they mean HIPs ala GW?
or Renadra, Revell, Tamiya etc, yes everyone write hard plastic if they mean HIPS

If Mantic doesn't mention a material, they mean PVC?
or plastic, or Boardgame plastic, yes PVC like material

Also, has the 3' x 3' paper mat been hinted at going to Mousepad material? Even if only as an add on?
yes



But this is mantic so if anything goes down badly and doesn't get the expected number of orders expect it to move from PCV or HIPS to metal or resin (or a combination of both) and if something is super popular I wouldn't be surprised to see a supposedly pin sharp resin switching to PVC

 
   
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SoCal

Mantic's resin is closer to the kinds of resin I've received from Prodos or even Hawk Wargames. It is more durable and less bubbly than any FW resin I've received.

Their HIPS plastic varies. The Men at Arms and terrain plastic was much harder than typical HIPS and required a stronger solvent glue. Their newer plastics seem to be somewhere between the old Mantic and current GW/WGF/Renedra plastics.

Their PVC or board game plastics have usually been decent to excellent.


While the giant does nothing for me, I have a bunch of Shieldwolf Shieldmaidens in need of some male Shieldmaidens. Looking forward to what comes next.

   
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Had they thrown the Neoprene mat into the "Giant" bundle, I would be more excited. As it stands... it isn't much in the way of value over just picking the bits I actually like.

11527pts Total (7400pts painted)

4980pts Total (4980pts painted)

3730 Total (210pts painted) 
   
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Foxy Wildborne







The giant is the strangest thing so far to be shoehorned into a skirmish game.

The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. 
   
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Depending on how it's done, it could be fun.

EG, Some warriors are trying to tempt a giant towards the front lines, but are ambushed.

Opposing sides trying to capture a giant.
Everyone versus a lone giant.

Standard fight and a giant blunders into it attacking people randomly.
   
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If you missed it, in the comments Mantic posted a link to a pdf of the mat artwork in high res:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zniqhvux7z6psiw/Vanguard%20Mat.pdf?dl=0

Safety always off. 
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The giant is the strangest thing so far to be shoehorned into a skirmish game.


This KS seems less about the skirmish game and more about trying to move inventory and fund new KoW kits.

"The Omnissiah is my Moderati" 
   
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Austria

yeah, this was also announced at the beginning

Mantic don't need the KS to make Vanguard, but to make an upgrade to the fantasy model range for Vanguard and KoW

Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The giant is the strangest thing so far to be shoehorned into a skirmish game.


To be honest if it is one Giant like the old Fantasy one, that isn't as big as many other newest kits, it works as some kind of NPC boss for a scenario. But yeah. Probably other things could be more apropiate for a Skirmish game.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
Probably other things could be more apropiate for a Skirmish game.


Like actual scout/raider models. For a game supposedly about scouting and raiding there's an awful lot of battleline infantry, heavy armour, monsters and cavalry with very few cloak and dagger type units.

"The Omnissiah is my Moderati" 
   
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Thanks for the reply. You bring up a good point, but the Basileans do not interest me enough, so I've just pledged for 'Join the Vanguard' and added the Abyssal resins. Will see if its possible to get single Sisterhood figures later. (Like the flail-wielding Sister and the Scouts.)

Also, in the unlikely event I do start a KoW Basilean army, I'd buy historical Byzantines so they can be played in KoW Historical and Fantasy. I bought a Warlord Games Macedonian Starter Army earlier in the year with that idea in mind (KoM or Alexander's Macedonian).

 Zywus wrote:
 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the bonus Abyssal warband in the 2 player starter and Join the Vanguard pledges does not include the character models. So I'd have to add them separately, right?.

Yup.

Although, if you want all the models, it's perhaps better to pledge for the 'Join the vanguard' pledge instead and add the second Warband and abyssall characters as add-ons. That's $5 more but you get all the terrain crate stuff.

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Was mentioned giant would get resin upgrades to alter him for different armies, could be neat
   
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Northern Alliance blog
https://manticblog.com/2017/11/14/kings-war-vanguard-northern-alliance/

Scarecrow/Spectre renders - pending sign off.

The parts seem to be shown 3 times from different angles so there arent as many parts as the image suggests.
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 DaveC wrote:
Northern Alliance blog
https://manticblog.com/2017/11/14/kings-war-vanguard-northern-alliance/

Scarecrow/Spectre renders - pending sign off.

The parts seem to be shown 3 times from different angles so there arent as many parts as the image suggests.

Torsi and legs are separate pieces, so that makes it a lot easier if someone want to use zombie legs instead, to avoid the leg-tentacles. (course, that assumes you have some of those around, so it's not a perfect solution)


Next stretchgoal revealed too. Another objective

This one probably won't set the campaign ablaze with new backers, but the Northern alliance will probably be included as an add-on around the 48 hour mark. That'll presumably drive some traffic.
The concept art is pretty neat IMO

Spoiler:
Far away from the eyes of Basilea, the halls of the Dwarves or the Kingdoms of Men, the Winterlands are an almost forgotten part of Mantica. It is a land blasted by chill winds and carved from ice. For most of Mantica’s history it has remained hidden but now stories are drifting south of an alliance of men, Elves and other creatures that could rival even the greatest powers in Mantica.

Travellers have reported that the Winterlands are ruled by an exiled elven prince called Talannar Icekin. His great magic has created a beautiful city – known as Chill – with towers of glittering ice that shoot skywards. Many who live just south of the Ice Mountains have flocked to his banner, intrigued by the strange rumours surround Talannar’s rule. During the recent cataclysmic spread of the Abyss and the decimation caused to The Brotherhood, many of these brave soldiers have also ventured northwards, ready to bend their knee to the exiled prince.

Perhaps the most worrying aspect for those in the south is that there are whispers Talannar has discovered something of incredible power. It isn’t clear if Talannar is protecting it for his own use or whether he’s trying to stop whatever he’s found from spreading southwards. There are countless rumours: another Abyss, a portal to the Ways and even the body of a Celestian or ancient god. Whatever it is, those who guard it are willing to die to keep its true identity a secret.

However, life in the North is hard and resources are scarce. Since the battle with the Abyss and the Green Lady’s hard-fought victory over the denizens of this forsaken place, more and more sightings of the Northern Alliance have been reported. Warbands of fur-clad fighters are scouring the countryside for whatever resources they can find: food, weapons, fuel and more fighters. They are clearly preparing for something….



The bulk of Talannar’s force is made up from the hardy Northmen of Mantica. Clad in thick furs, they can be exiles from the Kingdom of Men, former Varangur warriors who have fallen out of favour with Korgaan and, increasingly, members of the fragmented Brotherhood looking for a new cause. No matter where they come from, once in the Winterlands they fight with a fury that would rival even the most hardened Ogre.



However, they are not the fiercest fighters under Talannar’s rule. That mantel belongs to the deadly Half-Elf Berserkers that roam the wastes after being shunned by their own kind. The Elves are normally an implacable race but the freezing wind brings out a kind of fury in them, driving them to greater feats of incredible violence. In battle they become a freezing whirlwind of destruction and their shrill cries echo across the battlefield.



Fighting side-by-side with the Half-Elf Berserkers are the Ice Kin Hunters. Although not as crazed as their half-brethren, they are no less dangerous. Hunting in the Winterlands requires a skillful mix of stealth and accuracy, which is something the Ice Kin Hunters excel at.



Another common sight among the Northern Alliance is the Ice Naiads. After spending so much time in the chilly waters of the Winterlands, their very skin resembles hardened ice and they fight with spears tipped with crystals. Some claim the Ice Naiads fled the Trident Realm after refusing to kneel to their High King. They hoped to set up their Kingdom – far away from the influence of their homeland – but instead swore fealty to Talannar.



Those who have encountered the Northern Alliance in skirmishes say their arrival is heralded by a frozen fog that rolls in as if from nowhere. At the heart of this icy blanket of cloud, you’ll invariably find an Ice Witch. Emboldened by the magic of Talannar these powerful magic users can command the frozen winds of the north, chilling the bones of their foes and freezing them in their tracks.



It’s not just humans and Elves that have flocked to Talannar’s banner. Somehow he has managed to tame the monstrous Snow Trolls. These lumbering beasts were once the scourge of wandering travellers but now fight for the Northern Alliance – perhaps the chill of North makes them more docile? In combat they’re clad in glittering armour but even without the protection, their thick grey fur is equally difficult to penetrate.

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That is some really cool art! The snowy bladedancer is my favourite.

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I do wish they'd used this as an excuse to redo the elf sprues as well as the men-at-arms. The elves don't have the technical problems the men-at-arms sprue does, but they're some of Mantics first models and it shows. The fact that the elf archers are wearing shields on their bow arms is an unexpected pet peeve.

Also, there's still a few of the 'main' rulebook KoW armies without plastic sprues for their troops at all. Abyssal Dwarves and Ogres are stuck with restic troops, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others I don't remember. Getting sprues done for them could have been part of this kickstarter, instead of trying to get two new fringe-y factions into the game.

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The northern Alliance stuff is looking really promising, will be interesting to see if/how they show up in this campaign

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Austria

I am close to buy a cheap second hand elve army
and now with the artwork of the Northern Alliance I am more likely to skip it and wait, no matter how long, to get an army of those

The question is still, will there be new HIPS elves or just metal add-ons?

(the main reason I never got the Empire of Dust stuff, actually I would rather accept Restic/HIPS Hybrids than metal ones

Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise 
   
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SoCal

I really hope Mantic learned better than to offer metal-plastic hybrids. Those are on nobody's wish list.

You might not have to choose between armies. I found some of the old Mantic elves at a discount so deep the boxes were worth buying for the Mantic points. It's a buyer's market for them.

   
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The Northern Alliance seems promising. I'm hoping the models will deliver it. A project I wouldn't mind putting in my queue.
   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I really hope Mantic learned better than to offer metal-plastic hybrids. Those are on nobody's wish list.

You might not have to choose between armies. I found some of the old Mantic elves at a discount so deep the boxes were worth buying for the Mantic points. It's a buyer's market for them.


I second this. Few days ago I bought in a hobby store in Trier an undead Covenant Cavarly Regiment box for 8 Euros. I found it in the basement of the store, full of dust, probably forgotten even by the store owner. When checked at Mantic's website I saw that the same box is sold for 39.99 Euros.

I wonder some times what the players' base of KOW really is.
   
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Adelaide, Australia

Not of uniform size across all locations, I'd say. Big in some places, absent in others, and all other points on the graph in between, which is what any reasonable person should expect of any miniatures game.

   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

 corgan wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I really hope Mantic learned better than to offer metal-plastic hybrids. Those are on nobody's wish list.

You might not have to choose between armies. I found some of the old Mantic elves at a discount so deep the boxes were worth buying for the Mantic points. It's a buyer's market for them.


I second this. Few days ago I bought in a hobby store in Trier an undead Covenant Cavarly Regiment box for 8 Euros. I found it in the basement of the store, full of dust, probably forgotten even by the store owner. When checked at Mantic's website I saw that the same box is sold for 39.99 Euros.

I wonder some times what the players' base of KOW really is.


People that doesn't use Mantic miniatures, of course.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
Made in at
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Austria

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I really hope Mantic learned better than to offer metal-plastic hybrids. Those are on nobody's wish list.

You might not have to choose between armies. I found some of the old Mantic elves at a discount so deep the boxes were worth buying for the Mantic points. It's a buyer's market for them.


No one likes those hybrids and still it seems to be worth for mantic, or better say not worth for them to make them in Resin or Restic

Regarding the army, I could get 2 elves mega armies for the prize of one
But I have no need for a standard elf army if I can have Ice Elves, except they would be Hybrids

Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise 
   
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Where are you guys all finding cheap elves boxes?

Like at FLGS, or online sources?

Safety always off. 
   
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California the Southern

Giant in, Northern Alliance goal unveiled.




and the contents...


Already stated no hard plastics, but PVC and resin figures for the big stuff.

The fact that it's included with the giant pledge is certainly making the value a lot more present there.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
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I like the look of it more than the other 3 and I have 80 Frostgrave Barbarians looking for a home.

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San Francisco, CA

Wow, the N Alliance warband is getting added to the Giant pledge... That's going to be some pretty good value there. Cool!

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
Made in se
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It does indeed add a fair bit of value to the Giant pledge.

I could see quite a few backers uppgrading from their $85 pledges.

   
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 Zywus wrote:
It does indeed add a fair bit of value to the Giant pledge.

I could see quite a few backers uppgrading from their $85 pledges.


It worked for me. :-p I was at $85 as it seemed a decent skirmish-level value, once the Abyssals got added, but even then knew i'd need to add $20 to "complete" said Abyssals. At that point jumping from $105 to $150, but functionally doubling the content, feels decent... especially if the Norther Alliance models actually deliver.

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