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Now I'm sad I skipped on the terrain pack.

Glad you like the pictures folks! If you need any other comparison pictures of anything feel free to ask. I am off to class now though and won't be back until tonight (astronomy, wohoo!).

I also forgot to take a picture of the casualties, three male and three female though there is only one pose for each.



Nice details actually although the woman appears not to have a face. Good for decorating larger bases perhaps?

I just wish they had not glues the crates closed. Would have been nice to be able to model them open. I'm sure I can get them open though with some effort.

I wonder what the process was for making the terrain?I'm confused as it seams like hard polly plastic, but there are some undercuts on some of the single piece models that I can't figure out how they would have done with injection molding.

The drones are hard plastic from injection molds, very rudimentary and lacking in much detail. Not much time spent on those in the cad program.

Some of the big pieces are 3-4 part molds, which might account for it. There were also some fairly cleverly built 2-part pieces.

The drones look just about like the sketches- they're not very detailed but I'm fine with that: they look pretty appropriate and in the same style as Hurley

Here's my largest gripe with the game (other than the mold line cleanup of restic). Does anyone have trouble getting their models to make strong lasting glue joins with their bases? Seems to me that texture and tiny little feet don't mix well, and it's even more ludicrous on the new shrunken stuff.

Wouldn't it have been so much stronger to have every base have a hole, and a single foot on each model with a peg that could be glued in the hole? I guess it's that after nearly two decades of slottabases (or hard plastic + cement) I find the whole thing far too fragile for gaming pieces. It still would have kept the great textured bases.

You could even keep the under-base tokens, by only engineering the pegs to be the length of the thickness of the base-top.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Here's my largest gripe with the game (other than the mold line cleanup of restic). Does anyone have trouble getting their models to make strong lasting glue joins with their bases? Seems to me that texture and tiny little feet don't mix well, and it's even more ludicrous on the new shrunken stuff.

Wouldn't it have been so much stronger to have every base have a hole, and a single foot on each model with a peg that could be glued in the hole? I guess it's that after nearly two decades of slottabases (or hard plastic + cement) I find the whole thing far too fragile for gaming pieces. It still would have kept the great textured bases.

You could even keep the under-base tokens, by only engineering the pegs to be the length of the thickness of the base-top.

Eh, I just roughed up everything with some fine sandpaper, superglue is holding great.If it becomes a deal I can always pin them. Most scenic bases come like this.

I'm with Aegis- painted Hexen and she popped off her base 3 times between start to varnish and is too small to pin. A few of them could have really used a peg. People who didn't want/need it could cut it off, while those who wanted it could have left it.


On the bright side, all painted up, Hexen actually looked close enough in scale that I'm less aggravated about that part (though she's still tiny and skinny)

Received my Wave 2 today here in Australia. Love the doors and a lot of the scenery elements. The figures do leave a bit to be desired.

I am now wondering what I can use the miniatures for, since the game itself seems to be unfinished. What would be a good proxy for them in Infinity?

The scenery elements will help make some nice terrain for Infinity, so that's good. I am hoping I can pull out a win for the game itself though. But the way it's sounding from other peoples reports...

...Vanguard infantry and mini-drones make for good enough PanO auxilia - Neoterra sectorial would get you quite a way.
I'm already using the doc, and as soon as wave two comes in here the engineer, as their respective PanO equivalents regularly; if you **really** wanted the hurleys could qualify as remotes but they're a bit too big for that so you're kind of handicapping yourself (and don't forget to put them on 40 instead of 50mm!)
Akosha will work nicely enough as a Nisse, if you really wanted barker could pass for some HI (reaaaally tough muscles... but it's clear enough by size).
Throw in a single fusilier and a Swiss Guard with missile launcher (if you're above abusing barker that badly) and it's exactly what I just played, actually

From what I hear, here and there, the "big" models aren't all that, like, actually big? So perhaps they could qualify as bulky HI; alternatively there's always the option of putting one of them on a somewhat higher scenic base (to equal model bulk, for LoS purposes!) and counting it as a TAG of your choosing.

Most of the big models can actually fit comfortably on a 40mm base and actually look better on them, SMV just didn't make a plastic one (presumably because the board is done on 1" grids)

Is the terrain for sale at retail yet, or will it be soon?

The terrain, THI suits, Crabs, and Drones are supposed to eventually be sold generally; terrain is already packaged for sale (in a box with advertising etc); some of the other stuff not listed as LE is supposed to be available at conventions; no dates on any of it.

If I were McVey, I'd be desperate to get that terrain on the shelves.

If I were CMON, I'd hold it back for as long as it takes until McVey crumbles from the strain of debt and signs over his company and all its assets, Tony Reidy-style.

I wonder which will happen.

I don't think they're in debt- that's what the kickstarter and publisher are there to protect them from. They're still making LE resins on their own... about the only thing that I'd expect could crush them is if they don't protect themselves similarly for future expansions and said expansions don't do well.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
The terrain, THI suits, Crabs, and Drones are supposed to eventually be sold generally; terrain is already packaged for sale (in a box with advertising etc); some of the other stuff not listed as LE is supposed to be available at conventions; no dates on any of it.

Got it... I think that terrain will be extremely popular, they should definitely put it out for general sale.

 Bolognesus wrote:
...Vanguard infantry and mini-drones make for good enough PanO auxilia - Neoterra sectorial would get you quite a way.
I'm already using the doc, and as soon as wave two comes in here the engineer, as their respective PanO equivalents regularly; if you **really** wanted the hurleys could qualify as remotes but they're a bit too big for that so you're kind of handicapping yourself (and don't forget to put them on 40 instead of 50mm!)
Akosha will work nicely enough as a Nisse, if you really wanted barker could pass for some HI (reaaaally tough muscles... but it's clear enough by size).
Throw in a single fusilier and a Swiss Guard with missile launcher (if you're above abusing barker that badly) and it's exactly what I just played, actually

From what I hear, here and there, the "big" models aren't all that, like, actually big? So perhaps they could qualify as bulky HI; alternatively there's always the option of putting one of them on a somewhat higher scenic base (to equal model bulk, for LoS purposes!) and counting it as a TAG of your choosing.

Cool. I was hoping I could use them as ALEPH, but I will see how I can go. I don't know much about Infinity to be honest. I am sure I will be able to shoe-horn them in somewhere, so long as each one is individual enough looking to tell who has what weapon.

Cheers!

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I don't think they're in debt- that's what the kickstarter and publisher are there to protect them from. They're still making LE resins on their own... about the only thing that I'd expect could crush them is if they don't protect themselves similarly for future expansions and said expansions don't do well.

Does McVey have another source of income outside of the Studio? Either that, or he's selling a lot more LE resins than I thought. I just can't imagine him getting by on Sedition Wars sales...

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
...Vanguard infantry and mini-drones make for good enough PanO auxilia - Neoterra sectorial would get you quite a way.
I'm already using the doc, and as soon as wave two comes in here the engineer, as their respective PanO equivalents regularly; if you **really** wanted the hurleys could qualify as remotes but they're a bit too big for that so you're kind of handicapping yourself (and don't forget to put them on 40 instead of 50mm!)
Akosha will work nicely enough as a Nisse, if you really wanted barker could pass for some HI (reaaaally tough muscles... but it's clear enough by size).
Throw in a single fusilier and a Swiss Guard with missile launcher (if you're above abusing barker that badly) and it's exactly what I just played, actually

From what I hear, here and there, the "big" models aren't all that, like, actually big? So perhaps they could qualify as bulky HI; alternatively there's always the option of putting one of them on a somewhat higher scenic base (to equal model bulk, for LoS purposes!) and counting it as a TAG of your choosing.

Cool. I was hoping I could use them as ALEPH, but I will see how I can go. I don't know much about Infinity to be honest. I am sure I will be able to shoe-horn them in somewhere, so long as each one is individual enough looking to tell who has what weapon.

Cheers!

It depends. Do you want to use *just* the SW stuff or is using a bunch of CB models as well acceptable? That would open options. Maybe start a thread in the Infinity subforum though, this might derail a callously negative thread

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I don't think they're in debt- that's what the kickstarter and publisher are there to protect them from. They're still making LE resins on their own... about the only thing that I'd expect could crush them is if they don't protect themselves similarly for future expansions and said expansions don't do well.

Does McVey have another source of income outside of the Studio? Either that, or he's selling a lot more LE resins than I thought. I just can't imagine him getting by on Sedition Wars sales...

I believe he paints for other studios?

Anyone know what happened to have him leave Privateer? It all happened when I was on gaming hiatus. PM is fine if it's not "nice" to discuss it openly.

 Azazelx wrote:
Anyone know what happened to have him leave Privateer? It all happened when I was on gaming hiatus. PM is fine if it's not "nice" to discuss it openly.

I'm vaguely recalling a blow out about pay/working conditions and issues with Matt Wilson's wife?

I may be misremembering, but there is some familiarity with it.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I don't think they're in debt- that's what the kickstarter and publisher are there to protect them from. They're still making LE resins on their own... about the only thing that I'd expect could crush them is if they don't protect themselves similarly for future expansions and said expansions don't do well.

Does McVey have another source of income outside of the Studio? Either that, or he's selling a lot more LE resins than I thought. I just can't imagine him getting by on Sedition Wars sales...

I believe he paints for other studios?

Isn't (wasn't) he also doing the Art Director duty for Mantic as well? I'm sure I remember reading that somewhere.

~Eric

Mantic has an art director??

Must be extremely part-time.

Mantic's art is fine... it's the sculpts that are hit-or-miss!

 RiTides wrote:
Mantic's art is fine... it's the sculpts that are hit-or-miss!

That's true, but the sculpts should also fall under the Art Director's purview.

If McVey is still the AD for Mantic, he has been seriously slacking at the job. I'm not sure he is still at the post though.

~Eric

From when it was posted he was the AD to now, the only projects he could really make changes on is Deadzone and MA, and maybe like 1/3 of dreadball.

So far, Deadzone and MA are looking great...

(this is from what I remember, I don't know the dates when it was announced and stuff, so I am probably completely wrong)

 Taarnak wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Mantic's art is fine... it's the sculpts that are hit-or-miss!

That's true, but the sculpts should also fall under the Art Director's purview.

If McVey is still the AD for Mantic, he has been seriously slacking at the job. I'm not sure he is still at the post though.

~Eric

I read/heard somewhere (In one of the Dakka KoW threads, probably) that he was the AD for Mantic, but only in a part-time capacity. It did however cross-over with the first few months of the KS phase.

I finally received my wave 2 stuff. I'll be doing a proper stocktake later, but I've already discovered they misassembled the sentry guns and teleporter controls. Idiots.

My stuff arrived last week. The terrain pack is really cool. The rest... rather tiny.

Opening mine now. At a glance, I see a bunch of tiny figures with soft detail that I got charged $10-a-pair for. Utter garbage. Just at a glance, one of my Hexens has a broken ankle. I'm going to be too pissed off with this gak to do a proper inventory this weekend.

I honestly wouldn't be sad to see Studio McVey go under as a result of this - or certainly never again go beyond producing limited resins. It appears that Mike doesn't have the capacity to produce quality products on a larger scale than his boutique resin range, so he should either stick to that or work for other companies who can take care of the quality control.




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What exactly is supposed to be inside the "Biohazard Wave 2" pack? Is there a link to a list/images somewhere?