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 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hey,

Not sure if this is a secret email, but this is the one I use to get help from CMON and they always reply to me within a few days and are very friendly and helpful:

kickstarter@coolminiornot.com

If you send an email to that email, you will get an automated reply with a support ticket #. Just wait a bit and you will be contacted again. Be patient with them, it's not their fault and they will do their best to help you.

Zero

This is interesting to me. Identify, weren't you like, really upset about this thing earlier?

 cincydooley wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hey,

Not sure if this is a secret email, but this is the one I use to get help from CMON and they always reply to me within a few days and are very friendly and helpful:

kickstarter@coolminiornot.com

If you send an email to that email, you will get an automated reply with a support ticket #. Just wait a bit and you will be contacted again. Be patient with them, it's not their fault and they will do their best to help you.

Zero

This is interesting to me. Identify, weren't you like, really upset about this thing earlier?

Yep, but the things I have been upset with for the most part were the fault of Studio McVey. I've not had personal issues with CMON or problems with their service and have defended them repeatedly over this year+ long debacle that Sedition Wars was.

The fact that they are willing to refund backers really says something.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hey,

Not sure if this is a secret email, but this is the one I use to get help from CMON and they always reply to me within a few days and are very friendly and helpful:

kickstarter@coolminiornot.com

If you send an email to that email, you will get an automated reply with a support ticket #. Just wait a bit and you will be contacted again. Be patient with them, it's not their fault and they will do their best to help you.

Zero

This is interesting to me. Identify, weren't you like, really upset about this thing earlier?

Yep, but the things I have been upset with for the most part were the fault of Studio McVey. I've not had personal issues with CMON or problems with their service and have defended them repeatedly over this year+ long debacle that Sedition Wars was.

The fact that they are willing to refund backers really says something.

Cool. Really good to hear they took care of you. Doesn't surprise me in the least.

I just destroyed my stuff today. I was going to post the 29 pictures of me burning it all but then I realized, I'd be opening the floodgates to not only people trying to re-use those photos but maybe even.. flaming me?

Meh, I spent around $500 on this. I got right at 330 mini's. It's a $1.52 per model. And that doesn't account for the fact that I've gotten back around $150 so far in exclusive mini's via ebay. So $350 for 300 models (since I sold a fair number). So now I'm down to 1.17 per model. The model quality is actually really good once I get them cleaned and painted. And contrary to some vocal minorities cleaning them didn't take any more effort than my GW figures. Assembly on the bigger models was slightly more annoying but no more so than Forgeworld models.

And I got a ton of awesome dice. And a ton of cool tiles if friends and I ever wanna do a space station rpg.

Does the game itself suck? Kinda. Did I get my value for me out of it. Certainly. I won't be gleefully burning it anytime soon for a refund. But I'm glad that people that were super upset will be able to do so.

I'm not super upset, but I am disappointed, and if showing a picture of me driving over them all gets me a refund - I'll happily take them up on it.

Is there a link to a post somewhere that explains this offer?

For all of the mistakes SMV made, the offer just plain makes me feel bad imagining my own work going out into the world, then having people talk about disliking it enough that they'd rather explode it or w/e than keep it.

I dunno, I understand it from a business perspective, but it evokes the same feeling as those high end clothing companies that would rather destroy their merchandise than allow people to get it for less money. It makes me feel pretty weird about our economy/culture.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
For all of the mistakes SMV made, the offer just plain makes me feel bad imagining my own work going out into the world, then having people talk about disliking it enough that they'd rather explode it or w/e than keep it.

I dunno, I understand it from a business perspective, but it evokes the same feeling as those high end clothing companies that would rather destroy their merchandise than allow people to get it for less money. It makes me feel pretty weird about our economy/culture.

I don't know, I think it is the only way they can prevent themselves from going broke in paying out refunds.

If they said they would refund anyone who wanted a refund, almost anyone who heard they were giving back their money would jump in, if they were really upset about the project or not, and CMON would likely be unable to pay back the majority of the projects funds, as the money was already spent or used to make it.

By making people destroy it, anyone who has any plans to use the figures or is on the fence about the game will likely decide against destroying them, and genuinely dishonest people who just wanted to get their money back to have the game for free would be turned off.

So overall, I think it is a necessary business decision on their part.

As for me, I think I will destroy it, but likely only if I do not have to burn it. I'd rather not shorten my life from toxic plastic fumes to receive back $100...

That's why I mentioned the business perspective bit.

It's actually not going to prevent people from taking advantage of it, anyways, as you could buy a copy at the discounted rates they're going for, and smash that one for a refund and still come out ahead the difference.

I'll be keeping mine. A table set up with all the minatures, tokens, and terrain kit is quite a thing to see.

For all the difficulty in assembling/cleaning, I'm happy. I'm not painting them, or even taking the game rules real seriously. It's just kind of nice to be able to open up a box and have a full 3-D enviroment.

Though it seems less likely people will sell their games off piecemeal if they can get a full refund. Rather unfortunate.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Ah, no, they were just bagged, which is fine.

Card tiles are definitely the thick ones though.

Maybe there's three printings? KS backers (bad tiles), second (good tiles) and third (good tiles, vacuum packaging)?

Casting quality is ridiculously good on the minis, there are some where it takes a lot of effort to even see the mould line, and all of the sharp edges and corners are really well-defined, closer to what I'd expect from resin than restic.

It sounds like your minis were better castings than mine. Every samaritan had a thick mold line (or even mold slip) on his or her helmet, which made cleaning them all a bit of a pain.

All in all, I'm still mostly happy with what I got from this kickstarter. The Vanguard look great. The bases are great. The strain monsters are awesome. However, cleaning all the restic minis and them dealing with restic from Mantic just killed any enthusiasm I had for the medium. Wave 2 wasn't so good, with the poor $10 homage sculpts and the $15 WTF Suit.

And apparently the background pulled a Thomas Riker Problem, which seems to have Kobayashi Maru'ed the promised novel, so I'm all, "Shaka, when the walls fell."

Haven't even looked at the rules really.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
You KS backers should club together, destroy one set of Sedition Wars minis, take photographs of it in various places with various different cameras, lighting etc. and then each use a different photograph of the same pile of destroyed minis.

Then, get your refunds processed, and donate the (still intact) game sets to a local "xmas toys for poor kids" thing just for the sake of flipping the bird at CMoN's nihilistic approach to refunds.

As a poor kid who grew up not really having much in the way of anything there's something about the whole "You can get your money back if you BURN IT ALL" concept that really bothers me. I think they just want to make anyone asking for a refund feel really bad about it.

I thought it was so they could save on shipping. But I like your interpretation better.

Do you think a toy center would be interested in a baggie full of unassembled strain without bases?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


And apparently the background pulled a Thomas Riker Problem, which seems to have Kobayashi Maru'ed the promised novel, so I'm all, "Shaka, when the walls fell."

This is a nerdy ass sentence.

Hehe, ass sentence.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


And apparently the background pulled a Thomas Riker Problem, which seems to have Kobayashi Maru'ed the promised novel, so I'm all, "Shaka, when the walls fell."

This is a nerdy ass sentence.

"Kiteo, his eyes closed"

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Do you think a toy center would be interested in a baggie full of unassembled strain without bases?

A little baggie of evil space zombies for the green army men to shoot, or for the plastic dinosaurs to eat?

Sure, why not? Beats the crap out of most stocking filler gifts.

In that case, should I just assemble them quickly first so the kids can play with them out of the box? I'm certainly not going to waste my sanity points cleaning them first.


Folks, this might be your last chance to pay me shipping plus a few bucks for some unassembled, baseless strain minis. First PMed, first served. Don't all rush at once. Don't crowd, don't crowd. No shoving.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


And apparently the background pulled a Thomas Riker Problem, which seems to have Kobayashi Maru'ed the promised novel, so I'm all, "Shaka, when the walls fell."

This is a nerdy ass sentence.

I'm glad you enjoyed all the references.

Much better than the time the dentist tried to get me to see five lights. (Trueish story.)


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Actually, I know Matthieu was running a gaming club at one of his schools. Maybe I'll see if he wants them, first.


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

"Kiteo, his eyes closed"

Sokath, his eyes opened!

Understanding is a three-edged sword.

Does anyone know if they are still giving refunds for the destruction of the set?

I have been at college, so have not had the opportunity to destroy the set yet, and they did not respond to my email about alternate destruction methods other than burning...

all you can do is ask, but I'd say you may have waited to long

(and don't destroy anything without an email from CMON confirming they'll refund if you do... you could easily get left with nothing)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
all you can do is ask, but I'd say you may have waited to long

(and don't destroy anything without an email from CMON confirming they'll refund if you do... you could easily get left with nothing)

I'd probably recommend going a step further and not destroying anything until you see a flood of people posting that they actually GOT the refunds rather than just an email "promise".

 General Seric wrote:
Does anyone know if they are still giving refunds for the destruction of the set?

I have been at college, so have not had the opportunity to destroy the set yet, and they did not respond to my email about alternate destruction methods other than burning...

I asked them that question and got an email back asking where I had seen that information. After replying CMON never got back to me so I assuming they aren't doing it and it is just a rumor someone spread

 warboss wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
all you can do is ask, but I'd say you may have waited to long

(and don't destroy anything without an email from CMON confirming they'll refund if you do... you could easily get left with nothing)

I'd probably recommend going a step further and not destroying anything until you see a flood of people posting that they actually GOT the refunds rather than just an email "promise".

Yes, this is why I am asking, as I need to know I will get a refund before destroying it, and I think I have only heard of 1 or 2 people who even attempted to get a refund, and I don't know if either actually did...

and they never responded to my question a few weeks ago about destruction other than burning...

 General Seric wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
all you can do is ask, but I'd say you may have waited to long

(and don't destroy anything without an email from CMON confirming they'll refund if you do... you could easily get left with nothing)

I'd probably recommend going a step further and not destroying anything until you see a flood of people posting that they actually GOT the refunds rather than just an email "promise".

Yes, this is why I am asking, as I need to know I will get a refund before destroying it, and I think I have only heard of 1 or 2 people who even attempted to get a refund, and I don't know if either actually did...

and they never responded to my question a few weeks ago about destruction other than burning...

I got it via email straight from CMON. I've been advised since I have it in writing and I did as they asked and they then did not follow through, they would in fact be guilty of fraud. I'm going to continue to be patient for my refund, but I can say this much: I will be calling the police in January if I don't have my money they promised me back.

Finally received a reply to my question:

Your request (#7251) has been solved. To reopen this request, reply to this email or click the link below:
https://cmon.zendesk.com/requests/7251

Katherine
Katherine Elmore (CoolMiniOrNot)
Dec 13 13:36 (EST)

Hello Chris,

I apologize for the delay in response. We are only offering refunds on destroyed Wave 2 items. We are aware that burning the items would create fumes, and only ask that you physically destroy them in one way or the other. Cutting them would be fine.

Thanks for your Support

So it sounds like they are only refunding the extras that people bought in Wave 2. So, I think this means they are not refunding any of the base pledge for the free Wave 2 items, only the extra money you spent on extras that shipped in Wave 2?

ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

Asterios wrote:
ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

The bases are phenomenal, and some of the figures can be made to look darned good.

 CptJake wrote:

Asterios wrote:
ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

The bases are phenomenal, and some of the figures can be made to look darned good.

yeah the bases intrigued me, but wasn't sure about the game as a whole, and basically paying less then .50 per mini was a good deal in my eyes.

Asterios wrote:
ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

Here's a (blurry) simple hour paint job I did on one of the Samaritan infantrymen models:





They're more than Salvageable.

 cincydooley wrote:

Asterios wrote:
ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

Here's a (blurry) simple hour paint job I did on one of the Samaritan infantrymen models:





They're more than Salvageable.

ok we know the minis are salvageable but what about the game itself, is it any good or ? reason i'm asking is so far it sounds like the PB's RRT game (maybe even worse).

Asterios wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

Asterios wrote:
ok I just bought 4 of the base game for under $90 shipped on a whim, and wondering what is wrong with the game and system and is anything salvageable ?

Here's a (blurry) simple hour paint job I did on one of the Samaritan infantrymen models:





They're more than Salvageable.

ok we know the minis are salvageable but what about the game itself, is it any good or ? reason i'm asking is so far it sounds like the PB's RRT game (maybe even worse).

Now I have never played it....

But from the discussions I remember, mixing a bit of 1st and the 2nd edition rules and it is alright. From what I remember, 1st edition the Samaritans always won, and in 2nd edition the... bad guys always won, which makes it more of a survival horror game.

If you're playing with rules lawyers either version 1 (that the KS backers and original buyers got) or version 2 (which came with the reprint) will grind to a halt with arguments

but I found both versions fun and playable with friends who are happy to house rule over problems

and if you want to improve balance and remove a bunch of inconsitancies/loopholes you can download the most recent rules, faqs, errata here

http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/forum/13-battle-for-alabaster/

as they've done a lot to improve stuff over time