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I would be very surprised if Eldar skimmers got any significant drop in price.

 Pershore wrote:
Haven't seen this posted in the thread. In the WD battle report a Wave Serpent "fires its serpent shield". It doesn't sound mega powerful - it kills 2 Necron Warriors - but it maybe another nice little capability for the Serpents to have.

I think most Eldar players would love a price decrease on now overcosted transport and not some gimmicks that artificially increase it's price.
I'd much rather have WS for 70 points with SCannon included than than 90 points with (probably around D6 S6 AP4) attack that will never do anything significant.

KaiyaA wrote:
Enigma how did you get the 25% discount?

Got mine from Darksphere.co.uk
They don't have Illic Darkspear for some reason though... but otherwise, all their stuff is 25% off

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Morachi wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Never pre-order anything. EVER.

Pre-ordering is the fanboy's ultimate demonstration of having more money than sense. When you pre-order a product, what you say to the company that makes it is, "I am so impulsive/uncritical/unwilling to control my spending that I will give you my money even before you show me a product... I just want the promise of being the first to have the product. Whatever it is. Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

You are a consumer. You have the money. Therefore you have the power. Make the producer prove to you that they deserve your money by putting the physical product in your hands. When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

Unless, like myself, you're now just collecting the miniatures... rarely playing the game itself.

Pre-ordering a codex or other kind of books makes sense. You are right about everything else.

Same goes for the cards, which every Eldar player who owns a Farseer (so everyone), will probably use. And the same goes for the spiritseer, for those who use wraithguard like myself. I don't need the stats to know that I will be using those things. The rest, though, I will wait on.

How tall is a stompa?

With the wraithknights release, I can see the baneblade and stompa going up to say, £100...

I think 22 pts for a fire dragon is reasonable, especially if they now have a 3+ save, if anything in the 4th edition codex they were about the only thing that was undercosted.... Now I agree in 6th with the changes to vehicles, waveserpents are no longer worth the 90 points they cost for the bare minimum, but back in 5th they were pretty good at getting fire dragons to that must kill target. Hopefully Phil Kelly is aware of the problems the eldar vehicles face now with outdated upgrades such as holofields, I could see the wave serpent either coming down in price or staying the same and maybe getting some new rules. Personally I never had a problem with being hugely outnumbered for models on the table when playing as Eldar as it felt fluffy because I knew I could still pull some Eldar trickery, hopefully the new codex has nice special rules for Eldar units that keeps some of that flavor. I'll reserve my judgement on whether anything is now ''useless'' as I've yet to read the codex.

Late to the party here.. But preordering MODELS isn't bad.

Its different for games, they only show you highlights and it may turn out to be bad.

But I saw the wraith blades and thought "damn they LOOK cool". I do not care for the rules, GW is a model company and the MODEL looks nice.

Lol

FAQ (old news?) https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3250082a_Eldar_v1.0_June13.pdf

They're not too confident are they?

They've already got another 3 pages formatted and ready to fill up.

Although it continues GW's trend of having at least one really obvious mistake in the printed codex...

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

GW's always an edition or so behind when it comes to nerfing effective units.

Dragons were all the rage in 5th Ed, so nerfing them in 6th Ed makes perfect sense.

BTW I don't think that Adam Troke helped with the Eldar background. Why should Jes and Phil explain the background to Adam in the new WD then? You can't write Eldar background without Jes. He co-wrote the Dark Eldar background as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
They were not wroking for a reason, that reason doesn't seem to change.

GW's always an edition or so behind when it comes to nerfing effective units.

Dragons were all the rage in 5th Ed, so nerfing them in 6th Ed makes perfect sense.

Ah good point, can't see how i missed that.

It's so good to know some people have apparently played the new Eldar already, with them already knowing which units were nerfed and all...

GW leaves the aspects unchanged - people are unhappy
GW changes the way aspects work - people are unhappy

Being able to run before or after you shoot makes them more survivable/dangerous, especially with their added armor.

However, apparently Phill said in the WD, it makes Fire Dragons the best tank hunters around, and Banshees possibly the fastest and most deadly combat troops, neither of which would really be because of being able to run and shoot.

This makes me think Battle focus might be more line with the combat drugs rule, where you roll or choose from a table to see what boost your individual squad/army in general gets.

It could be anything from making your troops faster like the run&shoot rule, to making them shootier or deadlier in CC

So let's please withhold from saying which units have been nerfed until we get the codex or more leaks.

Maybe it's run/shoot OR run then still be able to assault? Would help the Banshees and Scorpions quite a bit I think.


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Oh and I'll order the plane, the cards and the codex, all at 15% discount at my local store.

Stompas head is about 9.5 inches tall (so barely taller than knight) that doesn't include all the spikey bits

Ok guys I apologise if this is off topic and I don't mind someone moving this to another thread if it is.
Im pre ordering the new Eldar codex and I'm going to have it delivered, money is a bit of an issue so I want to get a few more items to save with shipping. With a maximum budget of about 200 euro (£170 or $260) what units would you guys recommend I get, keeping in mind my current lack of Wraithgurd/wraithlord/war walkers (I'm kind of a noob to eldar). Any help and advice is appreciated.

KaiyaA wrote:
Ok guys I apologise if this is off topic and I don't mind someone moving this to another thread if it is.
Im pre ordering the new Eldar codex and I'm going to have it delivered, money is a bit of an issue so I want to get a few more items to save with shipping. With a maximum budget of about 200 euro (£170 or $260) what units would you guys recommend I get, keeping in mind my current lack of Wraithgurd/wraithlord/war walkers (I'm kind of a noob to eldar). Any help and advice is appreciated.

Maybe some wraithguard/wraithlord/warwalkers or a combination of them?


Generally its best to read the codex before you buy stuff or just buy stuff you think looks cool.

Just buy the stuff you want...... dont worry about the rules

"looks up at painted Tau in display case and looks at two un-used flyers"

Wait till you get the dex in your hand matey

Someone on the Warseer forum threw around the rules of the Remnant of Glory:

- Mantle of the laughing god: hit and run, shrouded, stealth, reroll cover saves but you lose the IC rule (doesn't replace one of your weapons)
- Shard of Anaris: +2Str melee and rending melee weapon, in challenges you have flesh bane and instant death.
- Firesabre: +1Str, AP3 and soul blaze
- Faolchi wings: can run up to 48" in the shooting phase. But can't shoot charge or cast psychic powers, reroll all cover saves.
- Spirit stone: You give up your invun save until next turn so that you can reduce the charge cost of a power by 1 to a minimum of 1 (Farseer/spiritseer only, doesn't replace one of your weapons)
- Rifle: 120" standard sniper rifle, AP3.
- Phoenix gem. Before wearer dies roll a d6, on a 1 nothing happens but 2-6 a large blast is placed on the model, friend and foe suffer Str4 AP5 hits, if no one dies the wearer removed but if only 1 model dies the wearer gets back up with 1 wound. (One use only, doesn't replace one of your weapons)


That and wraithguard lose wraithsight apparently.

 JOHIRA wrote:

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Never pre-order anything. EVER.

Pre-ordering is the fanboy's ultimate demonstration of having more money than sense. When you pre-order a product, what you say to the company that makes it is, "I am so impulsive/uncritical/unwilling to control my spending that I will give you my money even before you show me a product... I just want the promise of being the first to have the product. Whatever it is. Pre-ordering is nothing more than giving a company your permission to cheat you with a disappointing upcoming product.

You are a consumer. You have the money. Therefore you have the power. Make the producer prove to you that they deserve your money by putting the physical product in your hands. When you pre-order, you disempower yourself in order to have the sliver of nerd-cred at having the latest new shiney a day or so before other people do... ignoring that the moment another new shiney comes out, your nerd cred will completely evaporate.

I assume you'll never support a Kickstarter, then.

The problem with waiting for the dex is money. I kinda need to order a few items together. Pretty much my question was was there anything that even before the dex comes out, we know is good and will be worth buying?

KaiyaA wrote:
The problem with waiting for the dex is money. I kinda need to order a few items together. Pretty much my question was was there anything that even before the dex comes out, we know is good and will be worth buying?

What sort of Eldar army do you want to play? One that is optimised (no one knows until the codex drops what this will be) or something thematic? Iyanden is a good way to go, with lots of Wraith constructs and such, or Saim Hann, with Vyper squadrons and massed jetbikes (which are great in the current edition.)

Do you not have any Eldar models?

We know you'll want at least one box of guardians as even with their current rules most people use at least one unit to hold objectives.

We know you'll want at least one unit of fire dragons because a unit of meltas is useful regardless of their rules or price. And given the changes we know of, they still seem valuable.

You will want the new plastic farseer because chances are they're still going to be the best HQ in the book.

So I don't know what your price point you're shooting for is or what units you already have, but if I were starting over without anything, I'd get these at a minimum.

Well currently I have quite a well rounded list. I have rangers, harlequins, guardians, dire avengers, dark reapers, war walker, wave serpent, 4 jetbikes, eldrad, warlocks and the avatar.
So as you can tell my army is neither Iyanden or Saim Hann. I suppose it is mostly a Footdar list.

 Popenfresh wrote:


That and wraithguard lose wraithsight apparently.

Is it losing it or just no longer needing it?

What do you mean by no longer needing it? It was just a debuff that made them go durrrr on a 1 if there wasn't a seer around. Now you no longer have to baby-sit them anymore apparently .

KaiyaA wrote:
Well currently I have quite a well rounded list. I have rangers, harlequins, guardians, dire avengers, dark reapers, war walker, wave serpent, 4 jetbikes, eldrad, warlocks and the avatar.
So as you can tell my army is neither Iyanden or Saim Hann. I suppose it is mostly a Footdar list.

Hmm.

And how much more do you need to spend?

Spiders and Fire Dragons will probably be the safest for you. Wraithlord also for a footdar list, but that's something I'd strongly suggest waiting on the new dex for. If they are changed to T7 they may not be that great with the Knight being T8 in theory. But from what we've heard about the knight so far, I'm not sure it's worth the cost of 2 wraithlords either. I wouldn't buy any wraith unit until I saw the new rules even though I'm sure each of them are probably a sure bet with the new models and iyanden being the supplement of choice.

Thank you for the advice. I definitely wouldn't spend 90 euro on a wraithknight without seeing it's stats first. And I can't remember where I read it but I heard the wraithguard will be keeping their T8.
ActuallyI hadn't thought of that but considering the increased focus on Iyanden it would b illogical for wraith units to be nerfed.

Ok look I am excited that eldar got an update I have a bunch of friends tha play them(I am a little upset sold my eldar army lie 3 months ago....wife said 7 40k armies was way too much, I disagree new babies love 40k armies right?). Here are my problems though, first of what the is with the insanely huge wraith knight thing it is the size of a Titan. That is just to way over the top. When tau got the riptide I thought that is pretty cool and kind of falls into the fluff, but this eldar thing is has no place in fluff or on the table in a standard game. It really seems like GW is doing to 40k what they are doing to fantasy but every army in 40k doesn't need a giant monster thing. Finally what is the deal with all the wraith everything I thought they were supposed to be rare and not used often. And what is the deal with havering close combat ones how dose that work as I understood the fluff they were ancient spirit filled constructs, so no where near fast enough to handle hand to hand combat(if I am wrong please correct me). It just seems to me that GW said well everyone likes terminators for sm so lets give the eldar there own version and they get all there other awesome stuff to. Ultimately saying in the end sm have nothing and we have no reason to run them eldar got everything, and if you are tau they took your thunder a little too I think. Also on a side note they had better nerfed wraithlords because if they didn't and gave them an even more huge powerful version than that is insane. Sorry if anyone doesn't agree if you don't please let me know why.

How many more people are going to insist that the WK has no place in Eldar fluff, when it is essentially a knight, which have been in Eldar fluff for longer than most players have been reading the fluff? Jes Goodwin even declares it "an homage to the old Eldar Knights of yesteryear" in the new WD.