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Only thing I am torn with is do I field the avatar or do I field Illic (in my harlie army) with his pathfinder retinue with some guardians on the side or even more rangers (12pts ea has me excited)!

If these rumours are true, then infiltrating Striking Scorpions just got viable, now with the addition of fleet, it could be possible to get into combat by turn two (is it possible to assault on turn 1? I forget).

If you infiltrate and go second, yes.

That is how i was fielding my scorps anyway, pending cover and set up. Im very happy with thenrumors thusnfar and am happy i picked up more regular wraithgurad.

 Popenfresh wrote:
So do we already know what the Dark Reaper targeting array does?

Enemies cannot take jink saves against shots fired by a unit that contains at least one model with a reaper rangefinder

prob won't work this way, but it'd be funny to troll someone.

mantle autarch and 120" rifle tucked in a corner
autarch w/ wings
3x max jetbikes
3x 10 swooping hawks
2x outflank warwalkers

- Reserve all but hawks and autarchs
- Skyleap turn one to enter reserves with the hawks and autarch
- Turn 2 give a -2 to your reserves to keep everything off the table, bomb with hawks and scatterless DS into a corner out of range, fire the sniper rifle for Lulz,
- Turn 3 skyleap hawks, stop reserves again, fire rifle again for lulz.
- Turn 4-5 land/bring in everything at strategic locations and scalpel off units that need it using the +2 reserves.

Puscifer wrote:
OMFG... not only did Reapers get a massive buff, they can also be taken in ten man squads!!!

Well they're not making new Reaper models, so how else are they going to get existing players to buy more? Let them take more of course!

So are Vypers worth using now they have BS4? The codex entry looks pretty much identical to before, although we don't have weapon points yet. The Shuriken buff could be interesting for them.

I'm not too sold on the Avatar. It went up by 40pts for +4 init and Fleet, but dropped the invuln to 5++ which effectively cancels out the extra wound. The Exarch powers might be useful if they don't cost any extra, but I'm not sure it has the survivability it needs.

Also can anyone confirm if Starcannons were buffed to Heavy 3 Blast like I'm sure I've read somewhere?

 Khaine wrote:
So essentially phil has buffed all the other aspects considerably (-dragons), while banshees are essentially the same, but one point less and without grenades

often Phil Kelly makes grievous errors. Heldrakes, DE venoms, Chaos Possessed/mutilators, and Mandrakes all speak to this.

Am i the only one loving the Bikes? WS/BS 4 T4 sv3+ Eldar bike at 17 points per model?.

xxvaderxx wrote:
Am i the only one loving the Bikes? WS/BS 4 T4 sv3+ Eldar bike at 17 points per model?.

and they can get a warlock! want 2+ save bikes? yes please!!!

Bikes were good and they've only got better. Warlock can buff them nicely and the new Shuriken rules make them a threat to a lot of things.

 BlueDagger wrote:
prob won't work this way, but it'd be funny to troll someone.

- Reserve all but hawks and autarchs
- Skyleap turn one to enter reserves with the hawks and autarch
- Turn 2 give a -2 to your reserves to keep everything off the table, bomb with hawks and scatterless DS into a corner out of range, fire the sniper rifle for Lulz,
- Turn 3 skyleap hawks, stop reserves again, fire rifle again for lulz.
- Turn 4-5 land/bring in everything at strategic locations and scalpel off units that need it using the +2 reserves.

You'd auto-lose due to having no units on the table at the end of turn 1 (or also if you lost too many fragile Hawks).

 xttz wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
prob won't work this way, but it'd be funny to troll someone.

- Reserve all but hawks and autarchs
- Skyleap turn one to enter reserves with the hawks and autarch
- Turn 2 give a -2 to your reserves to keep everything off the table, bomb with hawks and scatterless DS into a corner out of range, fire the sniper rifle for Lulz,
- Turn 3 skyleap hawks, stop reserves again, fire rifle again for lulz.
- Turn 4-5 land/bring in everything at strategic locations and scalpel off units that need it using the +2 reserves.

You'd auto-lose due to having no units on the table at the end of turn 1 (or also if you lost too many fragile Hawks).

The mantle autarch stays on the board waaaay out of range in cover.

Well he'd have the sniper guy on the table. It is a bit risky to say the least though.

I find it amusing that people are ready to write the Eldar off without having seen the book or played some games with them. Enough with the Chicken Little comments (" The sky is falling!")

xxvaderxx wrote:
Am i the only one loving the Bikes? WS/BS 4 T4 sv3+ Eldar bike at 17 points per model?.

They're like marines!

Nocturnus wrote:
I find it amusing that people are ready to write the Eldar off without having seen the book or played some games with them. Enough with the Chicken Little comments (" The sky is falling!")

You see this more than once in every thread. In fact, someone posted about 10-15 pages back he had all of his stuff on swap shop, writing them off completely before ANY rules came out, just a picture of a wraithknight.

MarkyMark wrote:
How many eldar powers are shooty powers?,

The warlock preview before said its only the runes of battle powers so no divination for warlocks?, interesting.

How many points for jetbikes?, and is the seer council still viable?

What does fortune do now?

Anybody?

 Shandara wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
Am i the only one loving the Bikes? WS/BS 4 T4 sv3+ Eldar bike at 17 points per model?.

They're like marines!

Does any one know how much the shuriken cannon upgrade costs?

To the above poster, forget the psiker, 10 bikes can reliably shot 20 rending shots plus hit with 10 hammer what ever at I10, plus get 20 st3 strikes, all before the MEQs swing.

It's easy to see why people are passionate about it though. If something doesn't meet your ascetic for how you want your army to be, and you've already invested countless hours and $$$ into it, it can be upsetting to see a complete 180 degree turn from the direction a lot of people wanted. For example, aspect warrior armies might have a right to be annoyed given the years they've waited for, lets say, new warp spider models?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I find it amusing that people are ready to write the Eldar off without having seen the book or played some games with them. Enough with the Chicken Little comments (" The sky is falling!")

You see this more than once in every thread. In fact, someone posted about 10-15 pages back he had all of his stuff on swap shop, writing them off completely before ANY rules came out, just a picture of a wraithknight.

I remember that post! Hopefully I can score some cheap Eldar off Ebay now...

So I'm wondering, did harlies get better or worse now that they've got their old Veil of tears rule back? There's a slight nerf now that you can fail your psychic test though.

Nocturnus wrote:
I find it amusing that people are ready to write the Eldar off without having seen the book or played some games with them. Enough with the Chicken Little comments (" The sky is falling!")

It was the same with Tau, people were writing everything off. Now they seem to be pretty powerful

From what I've seen so far this update looks good to me, another strong 6th edition codex with several viable options and good internal balance (excluding Banshees it seems sadly)

Can't wait to read the codex.

Not saying it's logical or reasonable, but then passion has a tendency, by nature, to override that

All the new rules from these rumours seem very, very good indeed. Not only are they pretty awesome, but I just like the way they work. Having a "pool" of Exarch Powers, for example, is an easy and effective way of doing it.

deathmagiks wrote:
It's easy to see why people are passionate about it though. If something doesn't meet your ascetic for how you want your army to be, and you've already invested countless hours and $$$ into it, it can be upsetting to see a complete 180 degree turn from the direction a lot of people wanted. For example, aspect warrior armies might have a right to be annoyed given the years they've waited for, lets say, new warp spider models?

Fair enough. I was referring to people QQ'ng about the rules. A lot of my Eldar are the wonderful Jes Goodwin models that were the first released. I would love to see new Warp Spiders, though the originals are still better than some of the crap they're releasing nowadays. I've played Eldar since Rogue Trader, so I've spent the time and money on them. I can understand being frustrated by what you've read, but tossing in the towel without even trying them out? Seems kind of silly IMHO.

I wish they at least moved some of the Heavy support units, into elites or something.

I'd really like to take some Night Spinners, but they are competing with Fire Prisims and Warp Hunters. Or the Arty into Elites, and maybe the Night Spinners into FA. Or being able to Squadron them. Something, haha.

There's always going to be kneejerk reactions to things. Especially when you don't like what you see. For example, I'm upset by the Avatar losing a 4++, even though I've never played one. I'm annoyed about the Wraithknight, even though I play Ulthwe. But then again, I was annoyed when I started eldar and I wanted to run a necromancer list, but hated the color yellow. Or having to paint a damn rainbow for all my aspect warriors lol.

But some people adapt, some people complain, and some people give up. For the latter, there's always Necrons.

 shamikebab wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:
I find it amusing that people are ready to write the Eldar off without having seen the book or played some games with them. Enough with the Chicken Little comments (" The sky is falling!")

It was the same with Tau, people were writing everything off. Now they seem to be pretty powerful

From what I've seen so far this update looks good to me, another strong 6th edition codex with several viable options and good internal balance (excluding Banshees it seems sadly)

Can't wait to read the codex.

And while I have yet to face the new Tau, I think they scare me more than any other army. I agree about the balance and multiple, viable builds that seem to be in the Eldar book. Nice to see there are still some level headed folks about


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deathmagiks wrote:
There's always going to be kneejerk reactions to things. Especially when you don't like what you see. For example, I'm upset by the Avatar losing a 4++, even though I've never played one. I'm annoyed about the Wraithknight, even though I play Ulthwe. But then again, I was annoyed when I started eldar and I wanted to run a necromancer list, but hated the color yellow. Or having to paint a damn rainbow for all my aspect warriors lol.

But some people adapt, some people complain, and some people give up. For the latter, there's always Necrons.

LOL Necrons. Well played sir!