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Just hit the KS counter link and it was showing my town as the most recent destination.

Got a little excited, but still no e-mail. :(

~Eric

Taarnak: Same thing happened to me. It took about 2 hours after I saw it to get my email. Be excited! This could be it for you!

 recruittons wrote:
Taarnak: Same thing happened to me. It took about 2 hours after I saw it to get my email. Be excited! This could be it for you!

You were totally correct. My loot is on its way!

29 (or 32) line items, depending upon how they count multiples of the same item, to give everyone an idea where they are.

~Eric

I got mine last night, put together nethyrmaul, cthulhu, wyrmgear, the demons, all 4 fire giants, the elementals, spider demons, red dragon, and tried to put together the jabberwocky (that one definitely needs glue), then unpacked and sorted one of my vampire boxes. Then came kaladrax, and the size of that model just blew me away, even havi ng seen all the pictures. The head's a little rubbery but not too bad. After all that though, I kinda felt like I had enough. Looked at my second, unsorted vampire box, and I've begun contemplating ebay. I'm not totally convinced though. There are a few things in it I think I'd still like.

Didn't see it posted here yet, but a couple locals who got their Bones figures had a nasty surprise priming the figures. Dupli Color Automotive primer melts the plastic. They primed the models because they didn't have 100% faith in the "No priming necessary" claim.

Fortunately the figs primed weren't majors ones and were test models. They seem to take GW/Vallejo paints fine. Fiddled with a painted fig and didn't see any rubbing or cracking.

Also played with the Dracolich skull and agree it felt like a play toy. Too flexible for my tastes.

That is sad to hear but at least RoW customers get some benefit from being left out in the cold (as appears to be usual for kickstarters it seems...).

Anf since when does a post company refuse items for posting? :S

I got my shipping confirmation !!!!!

Had completely forgotten what I had ordered

I got my shipping confirmation last night as well - and a benefit of living in Texas is that they'll arrive later today!

Too bad I'm in Prague for another week and a half.

I think I'd choose Prague, were our situations reversed

I am going to try priming some random Vamp models today if the basement is sufficiently dry. I will let you know how Krylon or whatever I have laying around works. I think I have some Army Painter down there...

Rustoleum Auto Primer worked fine on it.

silent25 wrote:
Didn't see it posted here yet, but a couple locals who got their Bones figures had a nasty surprise priming the figures. Dupli Color Automotive primer melts the plastic. They primed the models because they didn't have 100% faith in the "No priming necessary" claim.

I don't suppose you have pictures of this do you? Bones are PVC if I remember correctly, and I find it incredible that they were melted by spray primer.

~Eric

I used Krylon Paint+Primer series black on 4 of my figures. 3 were perfectly normal, but 1 had a "sticky" feel to it after priming. Not sure what to read into it, but the model it's self didn't seem to be damaged.

 BlueDagger wrote:
I used Krylon Paint+Primer series black on 4 of my figures. 3 were perfectly normal, but 1 had a "sticky" feel to it after priming. Not sure what to read into it, but the model it's self didn't seem to be damaged.

ive primed 7 bones models from my vampire box and each has the "sticky" issue to it. At first I thought I just didnt wait long enough to let the primer dry but days later still sticky. I employed general forgeworld style resin washing of the models and still got the sticky issue. Would love to know how/if others are overcoming the sticky problems

Reaper stresses the importance of not using primer on Bones. Maybe this is why.

They suggest washing the models and then applying an undiluted coat of paint and giving it 24 hours to dry. Then any and all traditional painting methods should work after that, except maybe varnishing or sealing them.

If you prime Bones, it is important to choose the primer carefully.

Acetone makes PVC sticky. Krylon Primer is upto 30% acetone. When the paint in the primer locks the acetone vapors under it, it slowly outgasses and can remain sticky for a month or so.

I dont have the list in front of me, but several primers will work with PVC (Bones or otherwise). You can find a list on various garage kit sites. One nice thing about PVC though is that you dont generally need primer to paint it. The molecule is rather rough compared to other plastics like polystyrene or polyurethane, and holds paint quite well on its own.

A good primer on working with them can be found here

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/basics/lj_vinyl.htm

It doesnt have the list of primers that are safe to use, but it does have a lot of good information for people who are new to vinyl.

For myself, I normally airbrush on a regular acrylic paint that is whatever my primary color will be on the model. I have used Rustoleum Primer in the past (need to check to see if it still is Acetone free though) and Duplicolor, which is designed to be vinyl safe due to things like PVC mirror housings and bumpers.

Well according to the count (and Reapers twitter account) that's all the USA individual shipping done (not retailer specific Undertaker level though)

They're now packing Canadian stuff (not clear if it's going out or being stored to wait for UPS)

 RiTides wrote:
I think I'd choose Prague, were our situations reversed

I'm not complaining. Especially since the trip (and the business class flight) is on the company.


Minis came today. My wife has a big ole box at her desk. Its glorious.

 Taarnak wrote:

silent25 wrote:
Didn't see it posted here yet, but a couple locals who got their Bones figures had a nasty surprise priming the figures. Dupli Color Automotive primer melts the plastic. They primed the models because they didn't have 100% faith in the "No priming necessary" claim.

I don't suppose you have pictures of this do you? Bones are PVC if I remember correctly, and I find it incredible that they were melted by spray primer.

~Eric

Unfortunately no, going off the word of the painter. However, several threads on other forums have found different brands of primer cause different reactions. Some have no effect, while others cause stickiness. I mentioned the brand because this was the first I had heard of melting. Dupli Color is a fairly inexpensive spray so probably has some fun chemical in it that the Bones material doesn't like.

silent25 wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

silent25 wrote:
Didn't see it posted here yet, but a couple locals who got their Bones figures had a nasty surprise priming the figures. Dupli Color Automotive primer melts the plastic. They primed the models because they didn't have 100% faith in the "No priming necessary" claim.

I don't suppose you have pictures of this do you? Bones are PVC if I remember correctly, and I find it incredible that they were melted by spray primer.

~Eric

Unfortunately no, going off the word of the painter. However, several threads on other forums have found different brands of primer cause different reactions. Some have no effect, while others cause stickiness. I mentioned the brand because this was the first I had heard of melting. Dupli Color is a fairly inexpensive spray so probably has some fun chemical in it that the Bones material doesn't like.

That's cool.

Yeah, I've heard about the stickiness in a few places, but this is the first I had heard of melting. Was interested to see it is all.

~Eric

Someone wanted dragons from me and somewhere along the line our correspondence got lost. PM me, they are looking right at me on the table here!

To quote the commercial-
"THAT'S A LOTTA' Miniatures!"

They aren't too shabby, either.

Seriously, though If you were supposed to get these with me- PM Me, I have the dragons and giants.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
If you prime Bones, it is important to choose the primer carefully.

Acetone makes PVC sticky. Krylon Primer is upto 30% acetone. When the paint in the primer locks the acetone vapors under it, it slowly outgasses and can remain sticky for a month or so.

I dont have the list in front of me, but several primers will work with PVC (Bones or otherwise). You can find a list on various garage kit sites. One nice thing about PVC though is that you dont generally need primer to paint it. The molecule is rather rough compared to other plastics like polystyrene or polyurethane, and holds paint quite well on its own.

A good primer on working with them can be found here

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/basics/lj_vinyl.htm

It doesnt have the list of primers that are safe to use, but it does have a lot of good information for people who are new to vinyl.

For myself, I normally airbrush on a regular acrylic paint that is whatever my primary color will be on the model. I have used Rustoleum Primer in the past (need to check to see if it still is Acetone free though) and Duplicolor, which is designed to be vinyl safe due to things like PVC mirror housings and bumpers.

I used Rustoleum and can confirm it contains acetone

Welp, they apparently finished all US orders. Canadian orders are also all packed, and tomorrow they start on International ones - still held up by a lack of the mythical "USPS truck". Which at this stage is clearly a load of bs. (aka - they wanted to get all the US orders done and out of the way first). Looks like August is going to be accurate after all.

silent25 wrote:
Didn't see it posted here yet, but a couple locals who got their Bones figures had a nasty surprise priming the figures. Dupli Color Automotive primer melts the plastic. They primed the models because they didn't have 100% faith in the "No priming necessary" claim.

Fortunately the figs primed weren't majors ones and were test models. They seem to take GW/Vallejo paints fine. Fiddled with a painted fig and didn't see any rubbing or cracking.

Also played with the Dracolich skull and agree it felt like a play toy. Too flexible for my tastes.

Umm... I use Dupli Color for priming Bones - I have since the line first came out. Including the teeny tiny kobold miniatures.

I have never had it melt any figures, including any of my Bones miniatures.

I have used Dupli Color Black, Grey, and White sandable primers to no ill effect as well as the colored primers from The Army Painter.

The Auld Grump

*EDIT* Dupli Color and The Army Painter are the only primers that I have tried - I have no idea about Krylon or Rustoleum.


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 Azazelx wrote:
Welp, they apparently finished all US orders. Canadian orders are also all packed, and tomorrow they start on International ones - still held up by a lack of the mythical "USPS truck". Which at this stage is clearly a load of bs. (aka - they wanted to get all the US orders done and out of the way first). Looks like August is going to be accurate after all.

Umm... no - they are not the only company having the USPS act like **** in regards to large numbers of international shipments right now.

The blame rests pretty cleanly on the USPS and the wonders of sequestration. No need to malign Reaper for this - though if you want to complain about their underestimating processing time then go right ahead....

The Auld Grump

Unfortunately their complete lack of official communication (and the various half-truths that have been told) are eroding the goodwill and ability to trust the elements of the story that escape through non-official channels. So I'm rapidly becoming more cynical.

Just got my notice. =)

Grats! Though Bryan said in a not-update that this means your box has been packed and stickered - not actually shipped yet.
http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/reaperbryan/comments

Thanks for bursting my bubble =P

 Azazelx wrote:
Unfortunately their complete lack of official communication (and the various half-truths that have been told) are eroding the goodwill and ability to trust the elements of the story that escape through non-official channels. So I'm rapidly becoming more cynical.

What half truths?

So far the only half truths that I have seen have been folks making things up to fill in the lack of communication.

The lack of communication I will grant - the person that normally does their talkin' is one of the ones packin'.

But as an example, chosen not at random of a half truth... is yours. Look up what is going on with the USPS right now - see how long it takes to find other examples.

You are not being cynical - you are being crabby, and a bit paranoid. There is a difference.

Now, me, I'm grumpy - Pessimistic rather than paranoid. I take the view that things never go as planned, and the more things that are out of the primary's direct control the more likely things are to go wrong
to go wrong
to go wrong
*Smack!*
The more likely things are to have unforeseen complications.

Reaper has no direct control over the manufacture - there is one area that things could go wrong, and did.
Reaper has no direct control over shipping from over seas - there is another area where things could go wrong, and did.
Reaper has no control over U.S. Customs - there is another area where things could have gone wrong, but Reaper was lucky on that one.
Reaper has no control over UPS in Canada - and apparently neither did UPS.... (Call the ombudsman! To arms!) Since 9/11 things have gotten... sticky between the U.S. and Canada in regards to red tape - now double sided....
Reaper has no control over the USPS for shipping over seas - and again, things that could go wrong did.

Now... add to this the fact that the folks normally holding down desks in the office are packing boxes in the warehouse.... The folks that might handle the red tape are dealing with packing tape....

I have been on the inside of problems like this... it is not fun, and folks get... crabby. And there is little that can be done about it.

The Auld Grump, in my case it was while working for a nonprofit organization, and waiting on data and funds from the United Way.... We had to run each through twice because deadlines passed when we had one of the required items, but not the other....

The latest from the BryanTracker I linked is that they're anticipating Canada's truck Tomorrow or Friday. So it's not that huge a bubble bursting, hopefully.


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 Azazelx wrote:
Unfortunately their complete lack of official communication (and the various half-truths that have been told) are eroding the goodwill and ability to trust the elements of the story that escape through non-official channels. So I'm rapidly becoming more cynical.

What half truths?
So far the only half truths that I have seen have been folks making things up to fill in the lack of communication.
The lack of communication I will grant - the person that normally does their talkin' is one of the ones packin'.
But as an example, chosen not at random of a half truth... is yours. Look up what is going on with the USPS right now - see how long it takes to find other examples.
You are not being cynical - you are being crabby, and a bit paranoid. There is a difference.

Wow. One post on how I'm getting tired of the way Reaper's dealing with this and I'm getting called crabby and paranoid.
You know, I don't even care enough to reply to this in detail with examples. Feel free to browse this thread on the Reaper Forums. Of course, they must all be a bunch of paranoid whiny feths as well, since they don't share your opinion.

Since you've decided to play apologist, even with Bryan working his arse off (and full credit to him) there's still no excuse for not having a flash 15-min meeting (he mentioned that KS updates are by committee) to give out information on the shipping situation for CA/ROW backers at this point. I will point out that that they said that they were going to alternate between US/CA/ROW packing, and nothing in official channels has changed that. I had to go looking for information in at least three different places to find out what the feth is going on due to the lack of bothering to inform people several days after the "we're shipping! yay! Here's a tracker!" update to find that it actually meant "we're shipping to the US only now."

And hey, now that US orders are cleared and Canadian orders are ready, the Canadian UPS Truck is magically due tomorrow/Friday and they'll be packing the ROW orders tomorrow now that the Canadian ones are finished ROW truck is magically due right after that on Monday/Tuesday - how coincidental! I don't particularly blame them for wanting to clear out one, then the other, then the other - but the situation I've just described is just too perfectly timed to be believed easily. I'd have preferred an honest statement via the KS update system of "Hey, Canada and ROW, we apologise for the delay, but we're checking your Kalidraxes to save on tears, hassle and international reshipping, and we don't have space to pack all three destinations right now, so we've changed the order to US>CA>ROW - sorry guys!" Then I'd have at least known where we stand and I while might be a bit annoyed, (more likely sighing again, but I wouldn't be getting called PARANOID.