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That bike thing with the chair or gun mount is pretty sweet! Like you said Diakon, pleasantly surprised. ..at all of it but mostly the bike thing.

Heralds? Still crap. Sorry, but they're seriously uninspired. I could live with the Slaanesh one if s/he was plastic, but in FineCost, no thanks.
Khorne Chariot? Terrible.
Khorne Cannon? Terrible like the chariot, but also comically stupid.
Tzeentch Herld Chariot? Seriously cool!
Tzeench Coral Reef? Better when painted like actual damned fire.
Flies'O'Doom? Give 'em a decent paint job and remove the elephant trunks and suddenly they improve. Not quite the Pumbagore mistake that they first appeared to be. Shame the riders are just kinda sitting there with no sense of motion.

I think though what we can really all take away from this is:

Clear photos on bright backgrounds with good lighting = Good!
WD photo team photographing things with heavy shadow on dark backgrounds = Bad!

 Kingsley wrote:
Going with the simple "pulled by Juggernauts" route would have been a lot better there, I feel.

I have to agree. I don't know why they didn't make it a Jugger Chariot. That would've been great.

Just pre-ordered both books + both sets of cards.

I'll definately be picking up a Tzeentch Chariot kit when I head down to the GW store to pick-up my pre-order next weekend. And I'll almost certainly be adding another chariot at some point as well - that kit is simply a converter's dream!
I'm loving the birdy head option on the Herald, I'm hoping it won't look too small on the plastic Daemon Prince as it will fit perfectly for converting up an 'evil looking Horus' to fit in with Tzeentch's ancient Egyptian styles.

Only 7 more sleeps till release!

I have to say that those plague flies look fantastic in the new pics. Not having those stupid looking trunks helps a lot too.

I only have one complaint. We now have around double the amount of HQ choices, of any other codex. While that wouldn't normally be an issue, it seems that some of the herald's have become almost mandatory (The nurgle herald the only way to give plaguebearers feel no pain, for instance)

This would be fine, except that you either have to take 4 heralds, which means no monstrous creatures -whatsoever- in a daemons army, something completely bonkers in my mind, or you can only take 2, limiting your improved troops choices.

This, makes me sad. The whole point of a daemons army when I started, was the awesome concept of being able to take monstrous creatures, especially when they seemed to take the role of tanks for other armies. Now, we have chariot's as our tank equivalent, which just don't seem to cut it in my eyes...

All I can hope is, that they have some ruling, that means you can take an extra herald per troops choice you take, which would make this pretty dang awesome, and would mean I could at least take both my great unclean one, and a daemon prince as my monstrous creatures, rather than having to choose between them.

Still sad that the max monstrous creatures daemons can take now, is 2 per army, with every single one being HQ's :(

**Extremely disappointing** - and in line with the Slaughterbrute.

Not a single model (apart from the bloodletters) that I would even consider owning.

Way to cartoonish to the point that they no longer fit with the rest of the GW line (also the "mixing of chaos gods within an army"-thing as the default choice makes me really sad).

GW is definitely suffering in the middle of a shift between hand sculpted minis - and computer sculpted ones. Some designers (Aly Morrison etc.) who produced bad minis before seem to become even worse when trying to use a computer.

It seems that sculpting Fantasy vehicles on ze computer is much harder than doing Space Marine stuff.

Also, trying to make vehicles that can be used for both Fantasy and 40k is downright stupid/greedy.

Hopefully GW realise this and will have retired a lot of miniature designers that doesn't cut it before the Dark Elf line is about to get redone.

I (still) have high hopes for the DE release; Cauldron of Blood, Chariots, Beasts, Harpies, Infantry with spears/crossbows, Witch Elves, ...

So does anyone else think the art is pretty awful on the limited edition covers? I was gonna buy one, but just went for the regular codex instead as I thought all 4 pictures were just bad. I like the new models pretty good, which I guess is more important in the long run, but the LE covers.... bleh.

For Fantasy, I noticed that the Beast of Nurgle, Fiend, Bloodcrushers and (notably) furies have all moved to Special.

Rare now holds the Soul Grinder, the god specific chariots and the Plague Drones.

 squall018 wrote:
So does anyone else think the art is pretty awful on the limited edition covers? I was gonna buy one, but just went for the regular codex instead as I thought all 4 pictures were just bad. I like the new models pretty good, which I guess is more important in the long run, but the LE covers.... bleh.

I just cannot fathom why anyone would buy a Ltd. Ed. Codex?

I mean, here in Oz they're AUD$150 (which for those keeping score at home is more than US$150), and for what? A tiny bit of artwork on a black cover, and a black ribbon? Huh? Why would you part with that much money for that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
So does anyone else think the art is pretty awful on the limited edition covers? I was gonna buy one, but just went for the regular codex instead as I thought all 4 pictures were just bad. I like the new models pretty good, which I guess is more important in the long run, but the LE covers.... bleh.

I just cannot fathom why anyone would buy a Ltd. Ed. Codex?

I mean, here in Oz they're AUD$150 (which for those keeping score at home is more than US$150), and for what? A tiny bit of artwork on a black cover, and a black ribbon? Huh? Why would you part with that much money for that?

I usually buy the LE, read over it, and the sell it on eBay. The money people pay usually allows me to then buy the regular codex for almost free. So that's why I would buy it, but I don't know of anyone is gonna want these after (if) they sell out. Art is bad IMO

I bought the Limited Edition Codex (Tzeentch). Although I am a little nervous, if someone tore it, or spilt something on it, or it got stolen it is irreplaceable. Unlike a regular codex. Also I might have to wait a few more days for it to arrive.

But I already have a huge Tzeentch Daemon collection, I doubt I will be buying any new models.

And I don't want a Bloodletter on the front of my Tzeentch armies Codex! OCD I know, but after you've made army Objective Markers, got army themed dice, even a tape measure, perhaps even a T-shirt or a even a tattoo, the Limited Edition Codex is a nice little addition.

 XT-1984 wrote:
I bought the Limited Edition Codex (Tzeentch). Although I am a little nervous, if someone tore it, or spilt something on it, or it got stolen it is irreplaceable. Unlike a regular codex. Also I might have to wait a few more days for it to arrive.

But I already have a huge Tzeentch Daemon collection, I doubt I will be buying any new models.

And I don't want a Bloodletter on the front of my Tzeentch armies Codex! OCD I know, but after you've made army Objective Markers, got army themed dice, even a tape measure, perhaps even a T-shirt or a even a tattoo, the Limited Edition Codex is a nice little addition.

That's fair... and the tattoo is pretty hardcore.

 XT-1984 wrote:
I bought the Limited Edition Codex (Tzeentch). Although I am a little nervous, if someone tore it, or spilt something on it, or it got stolen it is irreplaceable. Unlike a regular codex. Also I might have to wait a few more days for it to arrive.

But I already have a huge Tzeentch Daemon collection, I doubt I will be buying any new models.

And I don't want a Bloodletter on the front of my Tzeentch armies Codex! OCD I know, but after you've made army Objective Markers, got army themed dice, even a tape measure, perhaps even a T-shirt or a even a tattoo, the Limited Edition Codex is a nice little addition.

I bet you Tzeentch's lunch money you get at least 2 of th enew chariots!

As a fellow devotee to Lord Tzeentch, his constant cackling whispers about how much I really did want them got to me...
Despite the fact I've already converted up a Herald on chariot.


Still, I'm not overly impressed with the new Khornate chariot - just too wierd for me.
So my 'counts as' Skulltaker will keep his pimped-out TK chariot 'o death which is pulled by his 4 favourite flesh puppies!

thats dedication XT-1984 !!!

tzeentch might have a plan for you....

greetings Badger

I'm hoping I can make a mostly themed Tzeentch allies! I still like Bloodcrushers, and the flys are cool. We'll just have to see when codex drops.

Everything looks WAY better up close. Ironically, the Plague Drones are my favorites of the lot!

The Khorne Chariots look insane, and that's not really a bad thing.

Still meh on the Tzeentch chariots, though. Perhaps they should have gone with a more conservative approach for the Khorne-y stuff and leave the madness for Tzeentch. A disk pulled by two screamers is way too obvious for the Changer of Ways.

I hope we get our own warlord table like Chaos marines did. The tables in the BRB are useless.

The only thing I'll probably get is the Khorne Chariot and use it as a base for a conversion.
The Khorne Herald isn't bad, but really you can make a decent looking herald using the champion parts from a blood crusher kit.

Was never a fan of the current demon models, every one is an ugly cartoonish mess
that and the fantasy books are always tainted by Matt Ward

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Everything looks WAY better up close. Ironically, the Plague Drones are my favorites of the lot!

The Khorne Chariots look insane, and that's not really a bad thing.

Still meh on the Tzeentch chariots, though. Perhaps they should have gone with a more conservative approach for the Khorne-y stuff and leave the madness for Tzeentch. A disk pulled by two screamers is way too obvious for the Changer of Ways.

I've actually got the exact opposite opinion. The Pictures really improved my liking for the Tzeentch Chariots, but I still dislike the Khorne chariot. I still think Bloodcrushers are the best Khorne Models to date.

Given that Juggernauts are 'daemonic living machines of war' I'd have though a fused chariot using them would have been on the cards. Not the 'khorne mower'.

 blood reaper wrote:

Chad Warden wrote:
Karanak and the Changeling are listed as HQ units now
And Lords and Heroes for WFB

I can imagine Karanak making Flesh Hounds troop choices, or something along those lines.

Maybe. I'm thinking it'll be treated as a herald.

After taking a look at the pics on the GW site I can't say I loved any of the new models, but I did think the new plague flies were cool, and way cooler envisioning the riders missing.
So for the time being I just got the book and the powers cards, waiting to see if adding anything to my collection is a good idea.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given that Juggernauts are 'daemonic living machines of war' I'd have though a fused chariot using them would have been on the cards. Not the 'khorne mower'.

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Stealing this idea.

Thank you sir.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Clear photos on bright backgrounds with good lighting = Good!
WD photo team photographing things with heavy shadow on dark backgrounds = Bad!

This has been puzzling me as well, why are WD photos so dark nowadays?

Backfire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Clear photos on bright backgrounds with good lighting = Good!
WD photo team photographing things with heavy shadow on dark backgrounds = Bad!

This has been puzzling me as well, why are WD photos so dark nowadays?

It's cinematic

Backfire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Clear photos on bright backgrounds with good lighting = Good!
WD photo team photographing things with heavy shadow on dark backgrounds = Bad!

This has been puzzling me as well, why are WD photos so dark nowadays?

A agree. I like the photos lightened up so I can see the detail better. Dark backgrounds, lots of shadows does not equate to a good presentation.

 LordRogalDorn wrote:
After taking a look at the pics on the GW site I can't say I loved any of the new models, but I did think the new plague flies were cool, and way cooler envisioning the riders missing.
So for the time being I just got the book and the powers cards, waiting to see if adding anything to my collection is a good idea.

This is what I'll be doing too. And I'll be converting Khorne chariots from WoC metal chariots and blood crushers.

Anyone notice that the GW website lists the Nurgle DP as T4?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440199a&prodId=prod1160103a

Mohoc wrote:
Anyone notice that the GW website lists the Nurgle DP as T4?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440199a&prodId=prod1160103a

No...you can't do that....not without eternal warrior dammit!

The darker backgrounds on the white dwarf pictures might be GW attempting to limit picture clarity on leaked pictures since they know they have a higher chance of being seen ahead of time.

I actually like the khorne mower..sorry the name stuck in my head. The nose just doesn't look like it fits the reast of the model.