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**grefven**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and yes he should do the standard bearer first of all, but he's clearly already decided to ignore that fact

This is from their comment sections for their IGG campaign:
Avatars of War , SLNE said 3 days ago
The Army Standard is a figure I want to spend a good time on as I want it to really stand out. That is why it will be one of the last figs. of the army to be done, I really need to make it with a prespective of the rest of regiments & chars of the army.

Rest assured the wait will be worth it!

**Kroothawk**

By then, we will all be driving anti-grav cars

**greenskin lynn**

Kroothawk wrote:
By then, we will all be driving anti-grav cars

at least our descendants will appreciate that we provided the funds for him to sculpt forever as a brain in a jar atop a gorilla or something

**scarletsquig**

Avatars of War , SLNE said 3 days ago
The Army Standard is a figure I want to spend a good time on as I want it to really stand out. That is why it will be one of the last figs. of the army to be done, I really need to make it with a prespective of the rest of regiments & chars of the army.

Rest assured the wait will be worth it!

Seriously, Felix is just straight up trolling you lot at this point. Enjoy your standard bearers in 2018!

If AoW ever does another KS, they should just be honest and type on the page:

"Delivery Estimate: When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry, when the mountains blow in the wind like leaves."

**pities2004**

grefven wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and yes he should do the standard bearer first of all, but he's clearly already decided to ignore that fact

This is from their comment sections for their IGG campaign:
Avatars of War , SLNE said 3 days ago
The Army Standard is a figure I want to spend a good time on as I want it to really stand out. That is why it will be one of the last figs. of the army to be done, I really need to make it with a prespective of the rest of regiments & chars of the army.

Rest assured the wait will be worth it!

He's pretty much saying, "If I do the BSB now most of you will stop watching or buying my stuff"

Just glad I only threw away 15 dollars

**mattyrm**

grefven wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and yes he should do the standard bearer first of all, but he's clearly already decided to ignore that fact

This is from their comment sections for their IGG campaign:
Avatars of War , SLNE said 3 days ago
The Army Standard is a figure I want to spend a good time on as I want it to really stand out. That is why it will be one of the last figs. of the army to be done, I really need to make it with a prespective of the rest of regiments & chars of the army.

Rest assured the wait will be worth it!

I'm guessing he was replying to my comment.. I wish I'd kept my fething mouth shut!

**Azazelx**

My "confidence" in Felix was well founded - clearly I made the best choice by only spending a very small amount on the one figure from the IGG campaign that was exclusive.

I wonder if he plans to do another KS/IGG down the line? Because, you know, cutting his nose off to spite his face is a great way to get that goodwill pumping.

**RiTides**

It occurred to me that it's entirely possible the funds from the campaign are spent, and he doesn't want to pay to cast and most importantly pay for international shipping for hundreds of standard bearers.

Not sculpting it also means even most folks who liked the finished regiments can't redeem their pledges.

So he'll get an extra few years on the "loan" before having to deliver anything by putting the standard bearer last. Cost could absolutely be the driver- if Warthrone struggled that much, and they're paying for retooling, they wouldn't want to incur the casting and shipping costs of fulfilling most pledges until they have new income coming in.

**cincydooley**

So... did anyone read the latest update?

**RiTides**

Do you mean this one we've been discussing? He finally linked to it on the actual IGG campaign late last night.

willb2064 wrote:
Felix posted this on his forum - they are switching materials due to costs which has been causing some of the delays:

I think some explanation on the state of AoW will be good by now.

About production problems:
There are no problems at all with metal miniatures production.

We tried the WarCast process for mass producing multi-part plastic-resin regiments. Thing is we were unable to make a profit at the porduction rate we achieved (even if we achieved a very high production rate).

Deciding to stop WarCast production for regiments was not easy, we tried during months to tweak this & that, we improved, but it was never enough. At the end there was no more choice but to switch to plastic injection if we wanted to produce the quantities we need.

So we have removed the regiments from distribution and we are now retooling all regiments for plastic injection production. Tooling a single regiment takes 2-3 months, and it does not speed up that much the process tooling several boxes at one, so it will take quite a while to have all the regiments back in distribution (even more as we will give priority to the new releases over retooling regiments).

First injection plastic produced regiment (the Pathfinders) will come on July.

Future of WarCast:
WarCast is a great production method for non-distribution products. So it will just be for online only items, where the direct sell allows us to make a profit.
WarCast will allow us to produce items that would not sell enough to be tooled on plastic, or weigh toomuch to be produced in metal, ...

About future releases:
The fact that I have to resculpt most of the bits of the different regiments (to make possible plastic injection tooling) has slowed me down with new releases. I will do what I can, but I can not promise a new release regiment per month now.
There will be a monthly plastic injection regiment, but it might some months be a retooled one, like the Corrupters, and oher months a completely new regiment ... there will also be of course new metal characters every month.

First injection plastic produced regiment (the Pathfinders) will come on July.

About Indiegogo Dwarf campaign:
Of course all this affects the Dwarf campaign new releases as well, so it is possible some months there will be no new Dwarf regiment (but for sure at least a new Dwarf character). To all disappointed Indiegogo backers, I can just say that I am working very hard, I simply cant increase the release rate unless I commission some miniatures to freelancers, but I would like to do the whole Dwarf army myself.

About AoW health:
Sales of metal figures are enough for AoW to carry on, so AoW's health is good. With the imminent arrival of the plastic injection regiments the future looks really bright. All in all AoW is healthier than ever.

Thanks for reading so far!

And more:

Xander wrote:
Will you be working with Renedra again? I quite like the Dwarf Berserker kit...

Not Renedra. Sprue ABS tooling for injected plastic is too expensive for a company of our size.

We are doing tooling for PVC injected plastic. It is not so expensive (while still thousands of EUR for a mold, not in the several tens of thousands like ABS) and the quality of the injected castings is very good. A good example of PVC plastics are privateer press ones. Produced castings are not as cheap as ABS ones (which are less than 1EUR for a whole regiment) but still allow for a good profit margin.
Note that you need a good margin, because if you want a product to be widely distributed we are talking about 50% discount from retail price. This is only possible (for multi-part regiments) with injected plastic (be PVC or ABS).

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**cincydooley**

Oh. Yeah. Haha I guess I"m late to the party.

**Da Boss**

Wow, I really can't believe how oblivious Felix seems to be to his customers desires.

Glad I didn't go in on this. He makes some great miniatures but that doesn't excuse these sorts of decisions.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Lets hope spain doesn't have a huge shift in postage charges in the next year or so then.

**Da Boss**

Yeah, it's a point- there's a lot to be said for getting KS/IGG money spent QUICKLY after you get it, because it's worth more at the time you do due to inflation and other unpredictabilities.

**Schmapdi**

RiTides wrote:
It occurred to me that it's entirely possible the funds from the campaign are spent, and he doesn't want to pay to cast and most importantly pay for international shipping for hundreds of standard bearers.

Not sculpting it also means even most folks who liked the finished regiments can't redeem their pledges.

So he'll get an extra few years on the "loan" before having to deliver anything by putting the standard bearer last. Cost could absolutely be the driver- if Warthrone struggled that much, and they're paying for retooling, they wouldn't want to incur the casting and shipping costs of fulfilling most pledges until they have new income coming in.

I was under the impression that as regiments were finished the Indiegogo backers could get them individually shipped? I.e. - you didn't have to wait until the whole shebang was finished. I've noticed every time he posts a completed unit he says something about getting the IGG orders fulfilled and then they'll be available at retail at such and such time.

The "milking the loan" idea has also occurred to me, but honestly, with interest rates what they are nowadays - it wouldn't amount to much money. And I certainly wouldn't expect him to just have that money sitting and doing nothing anyway - it was probably invested pretty quickly after the campaign was done I hope. And I don't expect it will take "an extra few years" - I expect we'll have the BSB by year's end. He said he'll have at least a metal character a month to release. And there weren't that many of them, so even if the BSB is last it can't be too much farther away.

**RiTides**

Yes, they can get them shipped- but I assume those folks are paying for separate shipping? If folks want their whole order shipped at once, and added $15 for the standard bearer (as I think most did) they'll be waiting a long time to claim anything.

He said the BSB "will be one of the last figs. of the army to be done, I really need to make it with a prespective of the rest of regiments & chars of the army."

That implied after all the regiments were finished, to me.

**overtyrant**

I'm glad i gave this one a body swerve lol!

**RoninXiC**

RiTides wrote:
Yes, they can get them shipped- but I assume those folks are paying for separate shipping? If folks want their whole order shipped at once, and added $15 for the standard bearer (as I think most did) they'll be waiting a long time to claim anything.

Nope.

I recceived two packages so far without any additional cost.

**RiTides**

Well, that's good at least!

**silent25**

Well guess what AoW just put out? More concept art of figs they likely won't release.

Here are the pictures for La Guarda:

Description of their realm and links to the rest of the AoW world here:
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/esp/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=91&Itemid=127

Again, awesome concept art, zero chance these will ever see figure form any time soon.

**RoninXiC**

Just checked my e-mails... recceived an e-mail 7 weeks ago "We'll sent out the package tomorrow!"

Just guess.. has my package arrived?

**grefven**

RoninXiC wrote:
Just checked my e-mails... recceived an e-mail 7 weeks ago "We'll sent out the package tomorrow!"

Just guess.. has my package arrived?

I put in quite a lot money into their IGG campaign, but luckily enough, they did issue me a re-fund in the end. I didn't really expect it, so it wasn't until I had enough of waiting for the dwarves to release and requested to get the metal heroes for the worth that they asked if I wanted the re-fund instead of the metal figures. And I happily accepted that, and from now on, I will follow suite and only get AoW products from their retail partners. They are handling their customer service and communication so poorly that they've lost my support and I doubt that they'll regain it.

**Daston**

Those last few concepts look real good! Fingers crossed they make it to plastic

**Kroothawk**

Daston wrote:
Those last few concepts look real good! Fingers crossed they make it to plastic

Guess oil reserves are finished once these go into production

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Info from Jay of TTCombat

AOW have the Dwarf Pathfinders box (20 minis, which can also be assembled as 2 x 10 each with their own command groups)

and a Dwarf Berserker Lord mini (metal) coming out next week

**Azazelx**

What are these ones made out of, again?

**silent25**

Azazelx wrote:
What are these ones made out of, again?

They are made from a fine power of backer's gnashed teeth and then mixed with their tears to form a wonderful clay that is baked with the heat from their rage.

Actually according to the AoW website forum news, plastic.

**Azazelx**

I mean spin-cast, or restic? I read somewhere that they weren't going to be in GW/Renedra style hard plastic sprues...

**BobtheInquisitor**

What medium would make you less happy, Azazel? Felix will make sure your order is cast in that.

Supposedly the new stuff will be the same material as PP's "plastics".

**Azazelx**

I'd like them cast in Finecast resin, Bob. Can you see to it?