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If your GW staffers refuse to show you a newly-released book prior to sale you either have crappy staffers around there or they just don't like you.
I dunno, GW around here, staff practically tries to stuff a new book in your face just to show you all the things there are to buy (then again, they have perfected the pleasant, non-obtrusive hard sell to an impressive extent)...

as a further FYI the Warriors of Chaos book was shrink wrapped so it wasn't so much that your local GW store refused to let you read it as it was that they refused to write off a $55 dollar book just for you. Though it also seems as if any staff who had bought it for themselves also refused to allow your possibly grubby hands to man-handle their books....something I think we can all understand. (ONLY I MAY TOUCH MY BOOK DAMNIT...KEEP YOU CHEETO STAINED HANDS AWAY FROM IT!)

 Bolognesus wrote:
If your GW staffers refuse to show you a newly-released book prior to sale you either have crappy staffers around there or they just don't like you.
I dunno, GW around here, staff practically tries to stuff a new book in your face just to show you all the things there are to buy (then again, they have perfected the pleasant, non-obtrusive hard sell to an impressive extent)...

Agree. I got to manhandle the new chaos books at length simply because I said, "I am an Ork player and want to see if any of the new rules would make good allies." I have never had a GW store be unfriendly or unhelpful to the degree expressed on the internet.

To be fair I headed into a GW store on vacation just to pick up a new release a few years ago; strassbourg, if I'm not mistaken. A lot of internet clichés started making a lot more sense there, all of a sudden. I get the sense it's a few bad apples spoiling GW's reputation for the plurality of 'good' stores, mostly.

When you guys get your hands on the book, I won't ask you to post rules, but can I get by with my IG codex and the FAQ? Or have they actually drastically changed my army to the extent that I will have to shell out for the book? ....cough

Again, for that matter, because they invalidated my whole army for a while at the start of 6th until they fixed reserves in flyers.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Why did they not just title it

"F U non Marine players"

QFT. GW is allergic to money apparently when they make something that only works with about 1/2 of their line. I think it would have been better to wait until every army has fliers before releasing a comprehensive fliers supplement....naw, that makes too much sense. Meanwhile, more of my money gets spent on Dreamforge's sweet sweet plastic crack since GW doesn't want it.

 motyak wrote:
When you guys get your hands on the book, I won't ask you to post rules, but can I get by with my IG codex and the FAQ? Or have they actually drastically changed my army to the extent that I will have to shell out for the book? ....cough

Again, for that matter, because they invalidated my whole army for a while at the start of 6th until they fixed reserves in flyers.

I'm pretty sure we IG Commanders are safe....for the moment.

 motyak wrote:
When you guys get your hands on the book, I won't ask you to post rules, but can I get by with my IG codex and the FAQ? Or have they actually drastically changed my army to the extent that I will have to shell out for the book? ....cough

Again, for that matter, because they invalidated my whole army for a while at the start of 6th until they fixed reserves in flyers.

If a book had an entry for a flyer then the changes to that flyer are in the FAQ. If the rules for that flyer were in the white dwarf update then the changes are only in the book. Grey knight, guard, dark eldar, blood angel and necron players do not need this book as they have been updated in the FAQ. Space Marine, Black Templar and Ork players are the only people who will need this book for rules.

If you have the digital rules then those should get updated and you do not need this book.

Tldr, you only need this book for the white dwarf flyers and nothing else. Everything else is in the faqs.

Rob451 wrote:
Tldr, you only need this book for the white dwarf flyers and nothing else. Everything else is in the faqs.

But have the rules actually changed in any meaningful way (IOW, more than just "C:SM can take this") from the rules as printed in WD + the 6th edition flyer/HP update? If you've already pirated the WD rules, do you need to waste bandwidth pirating this "book", or do you already have everything you need?

Unless your faq tells you to reference the flyer supplement, you don't need it.

I noticed a few people ask about the GK SR moving to the HS slot. It has not, because the errata didn't move it, nor did it mention that we needed "Death from Above" for the rules.

The only people who might need to book, are ork players that use their flyers, SM players that use the storm talon or wish to now use the SR, or BT players that wish to use the storm talon or SR. If your codex has a flyer printed in it, the erratas are all you need for updated rules.

 alarmingrick wrote:

 motyak wrote:
When you guys get your hands on the book, I won't ask you to post rules, but can I get by with my IG codex and the FAQ? Or have they actually drastically changed my army to the extent that I will have to shell out for the book? ....cough

Again, for that matter, because they invalidated my whole army for a while at the start of 6th until they fixed reserves in flyers.

I'm pretty sure we IG Commanders are safe....for the moment.

The only thing that is changed in the new FAQ is that they have removed deepstrike and scout for the valk and vendetta.

Kanluwen wrote:Do you really think that Battlefront or Mantic care about you beyond your money?

I don't know about those two companies, but PP certainly makes me feel that way. I'm sure they're only after my money as well, but they don't rub it in my nose.

I have a single Razorwing. Do I really need to buy this new book for 1 model? Will gw have single model pdf stats online, for a small fee? I wouldnt mind paying $3 or $4 for a page or two on just the Dark Eldar stuff...   Feel free to pm me....

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I have a single Razorwing. Do I really need to buy this new book for 1 model? Will gw have single model pdf stats online, for a small fee? I wouldnt mind paying $3 or $4 for a page or two on just the Dark Eldar stuff...   Feel free to pm me....

No you don't, your Codex FAQ has been updated to be on par with the DftS contents. In other words, you lost Deep Strike for it, whoopty-doo.

 Anung Un Rama wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Do you really think that Battlefront or Mantic care about you beyond your money?

I don't know about those two companies, but PP certainly makes me feel that way. I'm sure they're only after my money as well, but they don't rub it in my nose.

That's all it takes. Pretty much every company is just out to get your money but there is a huge difference between hiding that fact behind a few PR reps and just letting it hang out there. It wouldn't chamge much in the grand scheme of things but if GW understood this there would be less hate aimed directly at them and they would sell more models because of that.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Ordered mine as well. Totally OK with this product! The internet rage tears are a delicious, refreshing nectar.

Ahh another person who drank the kool aid, tasted the rainbow and smelled the coffee.

Please carry on with that sort of mentality. Makes my life so much more wealthier in hours merriment.

Ordered mine Friday night. We'll see what it looks like, I guess. I'll be glad to finally have a legal copy of the Dakka Jet rules.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
And here's something I just thought of. How does this affect the game really? Lets say the book did something like drop the AV on Vendettas and valks, or changed the point values on most the flyers.

Lets say I'm playing a standard game and my opponent brings out a Vendetta. I say it's AV11 like the book (theoretically says) but then he points out that his codex says AV12 and has no errata or FAQ stating otherwise.

Seriously? You just thought of that? that's been the primary point of discussion from page 3 to page 17...

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Ordered mine as well. Totally OK with this product! The internet rage tears are a delicious, refreshing nectar.

Ahh another person who drank the kool aid, tasted the rainbow and smelled the coffee.

Please carry on with that sort of mentality. Makes my life so much more wealthier in hours merriment.

If he wants to buy it, its completely up to him,. Who are you to give snide comments? And I would say the same to anyone who gives the opposite reaction too, its up to you not to buy it.

 tvih wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I have a single Razorwing. Do I really need to buy this new book for 1 model? Will gw have single model pdf stats online, for a small fee? I wouldnt mind paying $3 or $4 for a page or two on just the Dark Eldar stuff...   Feel free to pm me....

No you don't, your Codex FAQ has been updated to be on par with the DftS contents. In other words, you lost Deep Strike for it, whoopty-doo.

Oh, thanks man!

 tvih wrote:
That Space Wolves didn't get a flyer now most likely means they get a "custom" one once their codex get updated, DA-style. BT, it seems, will be "stuck" with these ones, on the other hand. Which, mind you, is fine by me since I can now use them for both C:SM and BT.

I see wolves staying flyerless. They use to be psykerless and now they have the best psykers in the game, so they need something to define them.

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Ordered mine as well. Totally OK with this product! The internet rage tears are a delicious, refreshing nectar.

Ahh another person who drank the kool aid, tasted the rainbow and smelled the coffee.

Please carry on with that sort of mentality. Makes my life so much more wealthier in hours merriment.

Could folks please refrain from these sorts of comments?

Announcing to everyone your schadenfreude isn't particularly friendly or constructive. If you both and everyone else would be so kind as to not do so, that'd be helpful. Thanks very much.

I own...

6th Edition Rulebook
Black Templars codex
WD flyer issue
Copy of BA Raven rules
A Stormtalon
A Stormraven

I will be playing BT flyers this week. Do I have DftS? Nope. Will anybody care? Nope. End of story.

OMG £82.50 for 3 Flayers and now must have it?
eBay Welcome... 40k goodbye

Go Warzone! Go!

Just thinking about this... many moons ago we got wind of something called the “Summer of Fliers”. What this “Summer of Fliers” was or would be changed quite a bit since we first heard about it, but I guess that this book is the culmination of those original rumours – we did get a flyer ‘expansion’.

I wonder though how “Summer of Flies” became “Direct Only Book of Stuff We Already Printed & No New Rules”?

Magic?

No, wait. They did what they thought was best for their customers.

And their own pockets.

If I had to ballpark why this came about?

One word:
Spearhead.

What about Spearhead? They put that up for free on the website eventually.

Yeah, but how many people do you really see using the expansion itself? It seemingly got a very tepid response, and I think I saw maybe three Spearhead games before the novelty wore off.

Spearhead was "optional", essentially bringing a "new way to play". The only thing which really was sought after by many people is the Nightspinner rules--which made a kind of sense to release as a PDF since the parts were coming with the Fire Prism kit to begin with.

(The apostrophes are used to denote corporate speak)

"Death From the Skies" brings something else to the table, with new units being the primary selling point...but not for every faction nor packaged with a Codex legal unit.

I don't necessarily agree with the move, but I can understand why they did it--and why they restricted it to be a "Direct Only" item.

Still not seeing how Spearhead has anything to do with this.

Then I don't know how I could explain it any better.