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Then I reccomend make as much of your purchases from stores that give discounts, many online right now will do 20%, and a few local stores in my experiance match that as well, I am fortunate to have one here in my area that has a flat 20% across the board GW discount, and a bit more for large orders, may also want to expedite before june, if GW's new sales restrictions take hold.

No doubt the prices are high..its GW no news there, I actually expected worse, and been planning this since the first leaked pics had the prices in them. So no real new, news there.

At those prices, you could just buy a bunch of Gundam or Kotobukiya kits and use those instead. It'll not only be cheaper, it'll look a hell of a lot better.

Exactly what I did a few nights ago. Selling al of my GW Tau. Making a custom minis ally. There is zero GW support in my area, no tourney and no place to play.

Those prices are stunning.

I will convert most stuff, or just pick up extra bits on ebay (I have about 30 pathfinders).

Still excited about the book - here is hoping its solid.

Riptide is $85 and is either static or slight poseability. Standard HG 1/144 Gundam kit is $15-$25 depending on bells and whistles, has not just poseability but full articulation, AND won't have any trademark Tau issues like weak ankles or anything..

Also lol at the prices for Farsight and the XV-8 Commander; their pricing just gets more and more unbelievable. The Pathfinder box (and perhaps the codex if it is long/pretty enough) is STILL the only somewhat understandable price in the lot.

Vote with your cash people. If you like the product and the prices, buy all you like. Otherwise, please PLEASE get creative with your conversions and use 3rd party models. GW will respond to sales so it is on all of us to either support this trend or strike it down.

 Fafnir wrote:
At those prices, you could just buy a bunch of Gundam or Kotobukiya kits and use those instead. It'll not only be cheaper, it'll look a hell of a lot better.

Those prices are outlandish, especially when you look at the US vs Canadian prices.

I have made this point elsewhere, but as the thread likely to be most directly connected to imminent GW purchases, I'll make it here to.

Buy independent.

It doesn't matter who or where from, but every kit not purchased directly nets GW ~40% less cash. If enough people do this, it will make a difference and it WILL get noticed, I promise you GW will monitor not only how much they sell, but where they sell it.

As an added bonus, you'll likely get a bit of a discount, will most likely more directly be supporting someone's livelihood and helping keep outlets open so other games can be stocked and grow, putting further pressure on GW in the marketplace.

There doesn't need to be any knee jerk boycott, just buy smart, save yourself some money and send a message all at once.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
At those prices, you could just buy a bunch of Gundam or Kotobukiya kits and use those instead. It'll not only be cheaper, it'll look a hell of a lot better.

Those prices are outlandish, especially when you look at the US vs Canadian prices.

I don't even want to see the Canadian prices.

Hey, HEY! None of you are allowed to complain. NONE OF YOU!

Why?


Because you don't live in Australia.

So shut up and enjoy your CHEAP prices.*




Unless your from Japan. You can complain. *expensive model brofist for my japenese mates*

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

"via The Astropate: News and Rumors
Codex: Tau Empire: $50.24
Tau Empire Battleforce: $130
Tau Empire XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team (3): $75
Tau Empire Pathfinder Team (8): $35
Hammerhead: $57.96
Tau Empire Sun Shark Bomber/Razorshark Fighter: $65
Tau Empire XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: $85
Tau Empire XV88 Broadside Battlesuit: $50
Fireblade Cadre: $19.32
Crisis Suit commander: $42.51
Farsight: $50.24
Shi´vre (Finecast) $20.61
Sha´ng (Finecast): $16.75

Shi'vre is the Pathfinder SC, Darkstrider.
Sha'ng is the Tank Commander Longknife."

If this list is all of the new stuff then it gives me some concern. Not for the pricing, but for how limited of a release it is.

I'm not saying that the Tau needed a massive overhaul, because they don't. Aside from new models to help properly fill out the FOC, they only need a few rules tweaks & weapon profile adjustments.
Thing is, I'm not seeing the number and type of units that would properly fill the FOC.

Yes, we are getting the 104 and the much needed Broadside redo.
(Am glad the XV8's stayed the same because I've always felt the Broadsides should be a different weight category than the crisis suits.......only GW kept the name and designation for what is obviously a different chassis. Can't decide if the failure to update the XV designation was due to laziness, stupidity or just a sign of how little GW cares for following the backstory when it is a xeno army.)

Also got a multi-kit flier.

The SC's shown really do not sound that special and are coming across as not affecting the FOC.

So what we are really getting is re-designed/repurposed Broadsides, a giant suit and a flier that will fill 2 FOC slots.


The missing units that would bring the Tau up to par with other armies are:
a second transport/devilfish variant
a jet-bike unit
anti-heavy tank unit or rule to replace the gap left by the Broadside repurposing
1 additional troop choice(drone?)

I'm not all doom & gloom.
Hopefully we will see rules and some units being relocated in the FOC to fill these gaps. Actually, these gaps could be an indication that some units are getting moved to different slots. Will have to wait and see.

Later,
ff

wow 50$ for farsight. does he gak gold or something? holy crap. well at least i dont play tau. Models look good but not that good sorry GW another pass for me.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

Yes, we are getting the 104 and the much needed Broadside redo.
(Am glad the XV8's stayed the same because I've always felt the Broadsides should be a different weight category than the crisis suits.......only GW kept the name and designation for what is obviously a different chassis. Can't decide if the failure to update the XV designation was due to laziness, stupidity or just a sign of how little GW cares for following the backstory when it is a xeno army.)

Also got a multi-kit flier.

The SC's shown really are not that special and don't really fill anything missing from the FOC.

So what we are really getting is re-designed/repurposed Broadsides, a giant suit and a flier that will fill 2 FOC slots.


The missing units that would bring the Tau up to par with other armies are:
a second transport/devilfish variant
a jet-bike unit
anti-heavy tank unit or rule to replace the gap left by the Broadside repurposing
1 additional troop choice(drone?)

Prices are steep. Most things went up in price compared to last codex. Though suits in box of 3 actually saves some money.
30x3=90 vs $75. NOT BAD,

Farsight... steep.

Flier -- Valkyrie $80 Doomsythe $55. It's in the middle of the pack.

As for the holes, a second transport would be nice, but not really mandatory. If Devilfish go down in points and depending on the upgrades it can fill different roles.
Jetbike, the Piranha kinda has this covered (going down in points)? Not a jetbike and in the Fast slot to compete with the flier and pathfinders. But I dont really think Tau are a jetbike type of army.

Antitank would be the Hammerhead

and we'll see if anything new shows up in the troops. I was thinking the possibility of Stealsuits going to troops.


EDIT. i screwed up my formatting and fixed it.

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

"via The Astropate: News and Rumors
Codex: Tau Empire: $50.24
Tau Empire Battleforce: $130
Tau Empire XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team (3): $75
Tau Empire Pathfinder Team (8): $35
Hammerhead: $57.96
Tau Empire Sun Shark Bomber/Razorshark Fighter: $65
Tau Empire XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: $85
Tau Empire XV88 Broadside Battlesuit: $50
Fireblade Cadre: $19.32
Crisis Suit commander: $42.51
Farsight: $50.24
Shi´vre (Finecast) $20.61
Sha´ng (Finecast): $16.75

Shi'vre is the Pathfinder SC, Darkstrider.
Sha'ng is the Tank Commander Longknife."

That all looks terribly expensive, but I don't know if its telling the whole story.

No mention of Firewarriors, stealths, devilfish, kroot, vespid, etherials. Its just the new stuff. So who knows exactly where some of the older kits ended up in the FOC. Maybe the Tau will have a secondary transport based off the D-fish model that doesn't need any new parts. Or maybe an wargear upgrade kit (finecasted probably) in a second wave.

Ant news on the commander and what he looks like?

on the limited release:
i kinda feel that way myself, but i think we are getting generic kroot and down the road when the merc book comes out (which does seem like something thats going to happen) we will get the kroot kits that are rumored.

that said, some of the prices are pretty crazy to me as well, the 85 megasuit is def just not going to happen for me, as a person who also buys military models, often which brass etch that are waay more detailed that anything GW makes 85 for a kit like this just seems crazy to me. The price on the pathfinder seems semi reasonable (by GW prices) 8 is annoying but im sure thats a trade off on the big drone.

overall its pretty annoying as someone who has been waiting for Tau for eons it just sucks a little. that said i do hope to book is good and my army is still playable once it drops.

mh_mini wrote:
*snip*

Farsight... steep.

Flier -- Valkyrie $80 Doomsythe $55. It's in the middle of the pack.

As for the holes, a second transport would be nice, but not really mandatory. If Devilfish go down in points and depending on the upgrades it can fill different roles.
Jetbike, the Piranha kinda has this covered (going down in points)? Not a jetbike and in the Fast slot to compete with the flier and pathfinders. But I dont really think Tau are a jetbike type of army.

Antitank would be the Hammerhead

and we'll see if anything new shows up in the troops. I was thinking the possibility of Stealsuits going to troops.


EDIT. i screwed up my formatting and fixed it.

Farsight- Yeah, at that price and being finecast just means that I will convert a Forge World model

Flier- I have mixed feelings about these. They are heavily influenced by US Predator Drones(Wonder if General Atomics will sue over IP infringement. )
The models are ok and I keep seeing a futuristic A-10 Warthog if the engines are move to the rear part of the fuselage. Will probably get one or two.

I agree that extra option could expand the Devilfish's role. Personally am hoping for door gunner option. Though, rumors have already suggested a much needed improvement if the sms really do become S7 AP4 Heavy 2 Twin-linked, ignores cover.

Imo, drones being jet-bike infantry when operating as independent squadrons would fit very well. We see things a little differently here but no worries.

Hammerhead as Anti-heavy tank will need some form of improvement. They just don't have the rof or mobility(losing multi-tracker?)to be considered dependable in that role. If the Rail Cannon was Heavy 2 or twin-linked and if the Tau tanks become fast then the Hammerhead would be about right.....unless we get a Hammerhead squadron option at which point the rail cannon would not need the rof increase.

Stealthsuits- yeah, I feel that they along with sniper drones and gun drones are all up for possible FOC moves.

Jayden63 wrote:
That all looks terribly expensive, but I don't know if its telling the whole story.

No mention of Firewarriors, stealths, devilfish, kroot, vespid, etherials. Its just the new stuff. So who knows exactly where some of the older kits ended up in the FOC. Maybe the Tau will have a secondary transport based off the D-fish model that doesn't need any new parts. Or maybe an wargear upgrade kit (finecasted probably) in a second wave.

I agree. Am currently hoping that the release list means something good for the units not mentioned. If my hope proves to be in vain then I can see the Tau being this editions equivalent of the 5th ed 'Nids.
Again, hoping that the rules and FOC leave us with 4-5 very viable non-op builds.

Later,
ff

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Apparently the VX-8 commander is $42 and Farsight is $50.

I want to tell myself that those will never sell for that price. But people always have to prove me wrong.

I still have to see the Finecast Crisis commander to make a judgement whether it is worth that price. Roughly £30? Hmmmm... cheaper to get a forgeworld xv89 and make it look as good if not better.

 focusedfire wrote:


Farsight- Yeah, at that price and being finecast just means that I will convert a Forge World model

Flier- I have mixed feelings about these. They are heavily influenced by US Predator Drones(Wonder if General Atomics will sue over IP infringement. )
The models are ok and I keep seeing a futuristic A-10 Warthog if the engines are move to the rear part of the fuselage. Will probably get one or two.

I agree that extra option could expand the Devilfish's role. Personally am hoping for door gunner option. Though, rumors have already suggested a much needed improvement if the sms really do become S7 AP4 Heavy 2 Twin-linked, ignores cover.

Imo, drones being jet-bike infantry when operating as independent squadrons would fit very well. We see things a little differently here but no worries.

Hammerhead as Anti-heavy tank will need some form of improvement. They just don't have the rof or mobility(losing multi-tracker?)to be considered dependable in that role. If the Rail Cannon was Heavy 2 or twin-linked and if the Tau tanks become fast then the Hammerhead would be about right.....unless we get a Hammerhead squadron option at which point the rail cannon would not need the rof increase.

Stealthsuits- yeah, I feel that they along with sniper drones and gun drones are all up for possible FOC moves.

I don't think GW could afford legal fees. lol

I hadn't thought about the possibility of drones acting like jetbikes. I was thinking along the lines of I wouldn't expect to see Firewarriors riding Eldar style bikes. That actually makes sense and could work. (However unlikely that it is at this point I would think)

Hammerheads losing multitrackers makes me really sad inside. Like you said, heavy 2 or TL. Gut tells me they wont become fast, but I can hope!

I wonder if HH will still have submuntions and in what form? looks like XV88s are getting them too and it's st6(?) so one would assume a higher strength on the new Hammerhead.

Puscifer wrote:
As for painting, I'm going for a little bit of a tribute to Hyperion from Borderlands 2. Their lore in game is incredibly dark and that's how I want to follow it, with a yellow, black and white army with a leader hellbent on Conquest who will do anything to achieve it.

P&M Blog it! I would enjoy seeing your progress. My P&M Blog doesn't get updated a lot, but when I finish something I try to get pics up. Unique Tau schemes are, imo, some of the most interesting and cool.

focusedfire wrote:

The SC's shown really are not that special and don't really fill anything missing from the FOC.

The missing units that would bring the Tau up to par with other armies are:
a second transport/devilfish variant
a jet-bike unit
anti-heavy tank unit or rule to replace the gap left by the Broadside repurposing
1 additional troop choice(drone?)

We may well see such things in the new Codex. When DE came out and we were seeing new minis for the first time, we had no idea there would also be Wracks, Court of the Archon, Succubus, the Fliers, Venoms. If I remember right, these units got new models later, and so we weren't expecting them.

Hopefully we see several new units that just don't have models quite yet, when the codex appears.

I'm more of a budget gamer. Aside from my Tau (first army), my other four armies were mostly obtained through second markets such as online auctions. I'll even do conversions, albeit decent ones, just to save money. The only thing I don't do is proxy non-GW models.

With the new Tau release, I plan to purchase models I don't already have in the codex. This includes the Riptide and Sun Shark Bomber. No point in me discarding my old Broadsides and Tau commander models. The new Pathfinders however looks really awesome and they seem to have a lot of upgrades.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
At those prices, you could just buy a bunch of Gundam or Kotobukiya kits and use those instead. It'll not only be cheaper, it'll look a hell of a lot better.

Those prices are outlandish, especially when you look at the US vs Canadian prices.

I don't even want to see the Canadian prices.

By the looks of that list the dex went up 75 cents, so that probably means $65 now after the price rise in Canada.

I'm getting sorely tempted to contact that shipping company in the states that lets you use their US address and then will ship it over from there, its for all those things that are from US only merchants that refuse to ship past the border.

I just bought a whole heap of tau crisis battlesuits :(

 Archonate wrote:


Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

The SC's shown really are not that special and don't really fill anything missing from the FOC.

The missing units that would bring the Tau up to par with other armies are:
a second transport/devilfish variant
a jet-bike unit
anti-heavy tank unit or rule to replace the gap left by the Broadside repurposing
1 additional troop choice(drone?)

We may well see such things in the new Codex. When DE came out and we were seeing new minis for the first time, we had no idea there would also be Wracks, Court of the Archon, Succubus, the Fliers, Venoms. If I remember right, these units got new models later, and so we weren't expecting them.

Hopefully we see several new units that just don't have models quite yet, when the codex appears.

Uh, one small thing, its my fault for not correcting this earlier.....

I am not Brother Captain Alexander.....My forum name is focusedfire.
No real worries, just don't want someone else accused of having said my ramblings.


As to your reply, I agree and am hopeful. My only concern would be if what we are seeing are the only real changes aside from the necessary repointing to bring the Tau up to 6th ed standards.

Later,
ff

Glad I won enough to almost buy the Tau codex in a tournament last Sunday. The rest will just have to come from online discount retailers. +1 from GW for not only failing to eliminate discount retailers but also increasing their business with each price increase.

 Archonate wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
As for painting, I'm going for a little bit of a tribute to Hyperion from Borderlands 2. Their lore in game is incredibly dark and that's how I want to follow it, with a yellow, black and white army with a leader hellbent on Conquest who will do anything to achieve it.

P&M Blog it! I would enjoy seeing your progress. My P&M Blog doesn't get updated a lot, but when I finish something I try to get pics up. Unique Tau schemes are, imo, some of the most interesting and cool.

My blog is in my sig. More stuff will follow as soon as the dex is released.

There's some other not gaming stuff on there too.

 Fafnir wrote:
At those prices, you could just buy a bunch of Gundam or Kotobukiya kits and use those instead. It'll not only be cheaper, it'll look a hell of a lot better.

Depends.

This:

Yes

This:

Nooooooooooooooooo.......



Both though under $30 from Gundam Planet.

I'm hoping some of those prices are wrong, because $50 for Farsight seems kinda ridiculous. Even for GW.

I'm surprised that there are no codex leaks yet.

We saw the last three leaked nearly a fortnight before release.

With the white dwarf leaks, I'm surprised that a cover leak hasn't happened yet too. I thought that they had an image of the codex under the preorder pages or something.

Those prices make me laugh so hard