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2013/06/05 01:25:57
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Just the first book. I've got the second sitting around here somewhere. But I'm a dirty cheater who reads ahead cause I want to see if I called the plot ahead of time (In this case I have not). RR keeps me on my toes XD
motyak wrote: I really don't get why people are angry at HBO...they didn't decide who dies.
Because a lot of people don't realize there are books.
One comment on twitter really spelled that out - 'What producer cleared this episode to air?'. The general public doesn't know there are books and that they are being followed.
But I could have sworn there is a 'based on' or something at the end of the episode?
I think it's at the end of the opening credits. Do you really expect people who don't read books to read credits though?
Does anyone read credits, other than if they maybe want to see if an actor they like has been in anything else?
2013/06/09 06:03:15
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
motyak wrote: I really don't get why people are angry at HBO...they didn't decide who dies.
Because a lot of people don't realize there are books.
One comment on twitter really spelled that out - 'What producer cleared this episode to air?'. The general public doesn't know there are books and that they are being followed.
But I could have sworn there is a 'based on' or something at the end of the episode?
I think it's at the end of the opening credits. Do you really expect people who don't read books to read credits though?
Does anyone read credits, other than if they maybe want to see if an actor they like has been in anything else?
I read the opening credits (at least the first time I watch something) and I almost always sit through the credits at the end of a film, at least if I'm in a theater. I didn't use to, but now I do it because I'm interested and also as a respect thing. A lot of people put a ton of work and time into making a film (or TV show, as the case may be). If my name or the names of any of my friends and colleagues ever end up in the credits, it'd be nice for the names to be read as well.
Dany is Azor. The Lightbringer is her dragons. She has three of them, and like the Targaryans of old she'll need three riders, all of whom will be Targaryans.
The clues about Jon being a Targaryan are everywhere. Lyanna and Rhaegar had an affair. She wasn't abducted. We know it was clear that Rhaegar loved her, when he named her the whatever at the tournament, over his own wife. From what I read, Lyanna and Robert were an arranged deal. While Robert obviously loved her, the affection wasn't returned, it's why she fled with Rhaegar. The "Promise me Ned." was Lyanna forcing Ned to raise Jon as his own, to protect him from Robert. By the time he was born, what had happened to Rhaegar's other children was already known. Robert wrath about all things Targaryen was also known, and where he to find out the truth about Jon, he'd probably order his death. It's why Ned went to such lengths to not answer any questions about who Jon's mother was. Lies can be unravelled all to easily. Martin kept dropping clues here and there throughout the books, not openly giving the answer, but making it so the astute readers could connect the dots. Jon has the blood of two kings in him, the Targaryen's, and the Starks (Kings of the North). That's whats caught Melisandre's eye, and why she's pretty much ditched Stannis now.
This is my reasoning exactly. This is also the first time I've seen this coming from someone else: every time I argue this people just ignore me.
Lightbringer sounds like it's an actual sword though: either a lost relic or something that will be made again. But who knows; it works just as well as a metaphor.
IIRC, the true Lightbringer was a sword forged by the Champion of Light in a raging furnace and then quenched in the blood of his sacrificed wife. (been a bit since I last read 'A Clash of Kings'...)
Spoiler:
Hence why Jon is more likely to be Ahzi Azor as he's made the relevant sacrifice when he lets Yggrit die because his duty & loyalty is to the Watch.
Dany on the other hand never really 'sacrificed' Drogo in the true sense of it, but rather, she simply let him go after Miri Maz Dhur left him as a comatose zombie.
Spoiler:
The original lightbringer was a sword, according to the legend. It might be laying around somewhere, to be taken up by Azor Ahai, or it might have to be forged again. Or it could be a metaphor for the dragons, whose birth marked the rebirth of magic in the world, who symbolize fire and by extension Rhlor.
No matter the case, forging Lightbringer wasn't what made Azor Ahai Azor Ahai, it was just a thing he did (wait, was he the one who did it, or was it forged for him? I'm drawing a blank on that detail). Daenerys is the only character to fit the prophecy of Azor Ahai reborn, however; Jon is by all indications just one of the two other prophesied figures, who are presumably the riders of the other two dragons.
Spoiler:
The Starks have Ice, which is a great old sword made of Valerian steel. It had always had a smokey appearance and has recently been reforged (reborn?). It could make its way back to Jon Snow.
Of course Jon could be "reborn" soon as well...
2013/06/05 03:27:51
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
-Loki- wrote: I only sit through the starting credits because if I walk out then, I miss what I was going to watch.
I only sit through the end credits because these days half the movie is after the end credits.
I know most people don't sit through the credits because I'm usually one of the last people to leave the theater.
I was half joking there. I personally do look at some roles - mostly producers, directors and actors. My problem with end credits is these days they include everyone, including who catered a particular days eggs for breakfast and who the receptionist at each of the two dozen special effects companies are, so it sort of grinds on a bit long for me.
2013/06/05 08:54:38
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
There was a serious lack of topless women in the last episode.
I like the show just fine, but the mid season episodes are too 'Days of our lives' and not enough "D&D" for me. Get to the white walkers already.
2013/06/05 09:58:24
Subject: Re:Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Hordini wrote: Question with a spoiler from A Dance with Dragons:
Spoiler:
Do you think Melissandre is going to bring Jon back in the next book?
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I don't think he will die. Not that Martin has any qualms about killing characters off, but I just feel like John's story has too much potential left in it to end like that. Other stories (like the whole rebellion thing) were kind of petering out, whereas I don't believe his was. So yeah either he won't die in the end (he'll just be in a coma and then recover) or she'll do her thing. Or Martin will say 'feth it' and we'll focus even more on Dany...something I don't really want.
We don't get enough on Dany as it is in my view and what we have been getting recently is not good :(
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especially since she went all soppy over her mercenary lover, and lost control of the city, shut her Dragons away etc etc - for me the Dance of Dragons bits were almost without exception dire in the change to her character especially after we had to wait so long for stuff with all the other boring characters being introduced /continue don the other preceeding book. Plus the whole - by the way she's not the last Targayrn plot line, Plus no Tyrion/ Dany meeting - rubbish :(
I'd be happy if GRM killed off all the Wildlings, Sam, Jon, the tree hugging Elf wanabees, Bran etc - and quite a few of the dull people he introduced in the last couple of books as filler......but that may just be me............
Lets have Dany conquer all the cities of slavers bay with her Dragons, Unsullied and Dothraki and then sweep into save the day against the ice people - with or without the Cthulhu worshipers on her side.......then she and Tyrion can sort out the place afterwards..........
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The raging furnace though? Dany was the one who walked into a giant funeral pyre, of her dead husband, and then walked out with three Dragons. Jon has done nothing of the like.
Spoiler:
Jon's body hasn't been burned just yet... give him his chance!
Anyways, there's also
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Martin has come out and said that Dany won't be making Westeros until book 7. But rumor has it the dragonriders will be sorted out before she even gets to Westeros, which makes it kinda hard for Jon to get a dragon unless he sets a new speed record for crossing half the world!
Besides, there's got to be a decent reason why he's had Tyrion & Jorah especially continue to hang around.
Thinking about it, old Mormont's body was never burned after the betrayal at Krastor's Keep. How epic a showdown would it be to see Jorah have to go against his father who's been turned into a blue-eyed wight?!
2013/06/05 13:29:23
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
The raging furnace though? Dany was the one who walked into a giant funeral pyre, of her dead husband, and then walked out with three Dragons. Jon has done nothing of the like.
Spoiler:
Jon's body hasn't been burned just yet... give him his chance!
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Jon's more tied to the North, and the druid skinwalker magic. I think he's going to end up stuck in his wolf for a while, possibly until Melisandre or his treehugging brother figure out a way to cast him back into a body. Magic has started to blur, and we're seeing rifts in the supernatural forces as well now- which is just awesome. Comatose, wolfbound, undead, dead, all of these theories have equal value for Jon Snow's future! Heck, we may see some Wildling magic, since he did bring them south of the wall and go native. Those guys are even more invested in some part of Jon surviving than the Fire Lady.
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2013/06/05 14:49:57
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
I watched it last night and nearly did a spit take when the gak hit the fan!
I am watching the show before reading the book, books are always better and this way the show isn't ruined for me because of lack of detail, creative liberties etc.
After my initial shock I was like "yup, I had a feeling that would happen from the very first scene" then I remembered it's GoTs, everyone dies all the time.
In reality what's more surprising is how many people die from battle/murder compared to what would kill most people in a pseudo-medieval world; disease and famine. I am amazed that no important characters have died from a tooth infection yet.
2013/06/05 15:53:05
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
I have no affiliation anymore, my home boys are the Starks you know, even got their stein which I drink from regularly, whos crew am I going to follow now?
I hate the: Boltons, Freys, Lannisters, Tyrels, Greyjoys
I am indifferent towards: Baratheons, Tullys, Arryns
I only saw the Starks as the true upholders of honour and justice, who the hell even represents that anymore.
Stormborn I like but I just have this sinking feeling she wont be getting to Westeros any time soon.
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2013/06/05 16:52:21
Subject: Re:Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
House Stark makes some really not wise choices and has a very old past which has made them far too many enemies that they were quick to trust. Ironborn,Boltons etc.
My favorite for the longest time though.
I like House Stark. Hell I have a big mancrush on Sean Bean but for the most part they expect the best out of people in a world were treachery is commonplace.
I've sold so many armies. :(
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2013/06/05 16:55:29
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
unmercifulconker wrote: I hate the boltons solely for their pleasure of torture, sick people need to be punished by the lord of light.
Lets hope the white walkers move on westeros and claim their pathetic house soon.
Martin's made some rather snide hints that Westeros is in for a huge fething-over in Winds of Winter... which at the rate he's going will finally be published by about 2053! (on the plus side, that's likely still before Sisters of Battle get their new codex update! )
2013/06/05 23:19:59
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
More Dakka wrote: I watched it last night and nearly did a spit take when the gak hit the fan!
I am watching the show before reading the book, books are always better and this way the show isn't ruined for me because of lack of detail, creative liberties etc.
After my initial shock I was like "yup, I had a feeling that would happen from the very first scene" then I remembered it's GoTs, everyone dies all the time.
In reality what's more surprising is how many people die from battle/murder compared to what would kill most people in a pseudo-medieval world; disease and famine. I am amazed that no important characters have died from a tooth infection yet.
The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there, and much is made of the food stores being depleted by the War of the Five Kings (where instead of continuing to harvest crops up through the end of summer and early fall (keep in mind the cosmology: seasons are longer than years; side note: then where do they get the idea of years from? Are they just an arbitrary number of lunar months or something?), everyone was fighting or fleeing, and fields were trampled or burned).
There's also the maesters, who are portrayed as quite competent medics, in addition to the existence of medicines that seem to be more functional than equivalent tech-level real world ones.
2013/06/05 23:49:25
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
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2013/06/06 00:58:04
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
If you read the previews for The Winds of Winter, there's a good example of this.
Spoiler:
One of Stannis' lieutenants recommends he flee across the Narrow Sea with his new found wealth to build an army of mercenaries. Stannis replied that this is a conflict he can't flee from, and he references Viserys Targaryen. When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.
2013/06/06 01:55:23
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
Oh, forgot about him.
I don't know about how much "win or die" holds true; it seems plenty of characters run off on arcs entirely separate from their original conflict and do just fine suffer horribly but still overcome it.
Unrelated but brought to mind by this:
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I'm not the only one who noticed that both Stark girls got what they originally wanted but in horribly less idealized ways, am I? Arya wanted to be an adventurer, and wound up seeing what that actually entailed, only to take in stride things we see breaking grown men only to end up a remarkably well balanced sociopathic killing machine. Sansa likewise experiences first hand the cesspool of more-typical-highborn society.
I find that bit hilarious on so many levels. The deconstruction of those (fairly) common fantasy tropes is just wonderful.
2013/06/06 02:48:40
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
Spoiler:
Wait, I thought that the Hounds fate was still up in the air?
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
Spoiler:
Wait, I thought that the Hounds fate was still up in the air?
~Tim?
Spoiler:
he's dead jim someone else took up his helmet and is impersonating him
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2013/06/06 03:00:40
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
Spoiler:
Wait, I thought that the Hounds fate was still up in the air?
~Tim?
Spoiler:
he's dead jim someone else took up his helmet and is impersonating him
Spoiler:
Yup, the Meister that buried him flat out stated it was him, as he'd met him. He put the helmet on top of the grave, and someone else grabbed it and started raping and pillaging (something the Hound didn't actually do himself).
2013/06/06 03:09:34
Subject: Game of thrones season 3 episode 9!? [Spoilers]
Sir Pseudonymous wrote: The books talk about infection and malnutrition more. It doesn't claim anyone important, but it is there
I wouldn't go that far (seriously non book readers, big spoiler below).
Spoiler:
The Hound died of infection.
Also, something people need to remember is Cerseis line to Ned in the first season. It's very relevant to the show.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you either win, or you die.
There is no 'lose and run away with my tail between my legs' option in Martins world. You win, or you're pushing up daisies. This goes for the lowliest peasant to the highest noble.
Spoiler:
Wait, I thought that the Hounds fate was still up in the air?
~Tim?
Spoiler:
he's dead jim someone else took up his helmet and is impersonating him
Spoiler:
Yup, the Meister that buried him flat out stated it was him, as he'd met him. He put the helmet on top of the grave, and someone else grabbed it and started raping and pillaging (something the Hound didn't actually do himself).
Spoiler:
Except that Sandor isn't really dead, because that Meister was speaking metaphorically...
Sandor's alive - he was the grave digger at the little monestary-type place that Brienne & Podrick pass through. Stranger is there as well, being insanely stubborn & ill tempered and causing trouble for the other monks who can't handle him!
The Lord of Light obviously still has a purpose for Sandor!
and what we have been getting recently is not good :(
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(on the plus side, that's likely still before Sisters of Battle get their new codex update! 
