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 Delevarius wrote:
ADL with non-fearless Lootas is just crazy, they just wont die xD
you dont have to have an ADL I guess, but if there is no good cover for your lootas in the deployment (like a ruin or something) tell the other guy this board is a joke and re-do the terrain

This should never, ever happen. If I find myself with a board like this I demand that terrain gets added, or walk away.

I've had numerous players just 'forget' or even request no area terrain on the table. Naturally they all had power armour armies. Sofar all of those games ended up with area terrain on the board.

That is something I am going to start practicing myself
but still an ADL gives a 3+ and is a welcome addition to ones shooty army (especially if the ork army has both lootas and big guns)

It's a pretty solid list from the looks of it. If you go up to 2k points I'd go with more lootas and that's about it. The Battlewagons with Deff Rollas are nice since you can ram tanks with them and cause 2D6 S10 hits on their armor (Ref: FAQs) .

Welcome to the WAAAGH!

I agree with the others, don't ever let someone try to force you into playing a game in which you have unfair terrain (either none or all of it on one side) it will just result in a unfair bonus to one player and makes the game way less fun.

Thanks guys, I will always make sure to have fair terrain. I doubt that will be an issue, since the people I plan on playing with are pretty cool

So should I just give up on the whole ADL idea?

Your Mileage May Vary on the ADL. I've seen them work and I've seen them suck. So it really depends on the player and if they can make it work for their army. Don't be afraid to experiment. After all, this is just a game.

with this list i probably wouldn't take a ADL 50 points for orks is a good chunk of boys or upgrades.

The Problem with Fearless Lootas (11-15) behind an ADL line is that they get 4+ cover. They can not go to ground to gain the 2+ cover. Which is why you take them in units of 10, so when they get targeted, they can go to ground from the start, not after they have lost enough to do so. 11 to 15 Lootas will be a huge taget, if your opponent can throw a Drop Pod close enough to them and just unleash a hurting of shots, you can easily lose 7 of them and if you roll like me, you will rout and just leave the game, without ever having the 2+ bonus. To add insult to injury, my opponent will take over the ADL and use it against me.

If you have the means throw 30 lootas (3 groups of 10) on the battlements of a fortress of redemption. It gives you an opportunity to have fun making it ork style and your lootas get a good cover save. It also gives your lootas survivability as well as the means to target anything on the table with impunity due to the size of the tower model (24" wide and 12" depth) because if set properly in any 40k setup it allows your lootas range to cover the whole table. I've been playing with the tower for awhile now and you would be amazed how much firepower people will throw at it but if you keep your lootas on the battlements you don't have to worry about any damage done to the building unless people inflict serious penetrating hits on it frequently (all sides AV 14 and doesn'/t have hull points to be glanced off). It is a hard thing against seriously mobile armies but that's why the lootas are there in the first place and the krakstorm launcher is wonderfully great at blowing up space marines as well.

hmm you know i have never thought of that baltak, I might just ahve to get a fortess of redemption adn try it outsometime... have you had any downsides to it? (besides being costly)

I cannot imagine orks holding a fort.
IMO Orks are always the attackers, plus I like running across the field and getting in peoples faces xD
Still, I guess it could work

I have had some luck with it and it is a great intimidator for a fun game. It does get costly because with krakstorm missile upgrade it is 675 to do the fort and 30 lootas bu they can hold ground surprisingly well. It is easier in a 2k list to fit it that 1500 plus having a s8 ap3 pieplate every turn is nice and a little air/tank punch with a twin linked las cannon doesnt hut. Depending on the deployment in your mission it can be a great thing to hide objectives behind as well. I've done it more than once and just dropped 29 gretchin down to hold an objective. It does force armies to come to you because the Space marines and their various chapters cant just sit behind a firing line and pick off ypour orks. Playing on the long set you can actually stick every objective you can behind the fort and stuff 60-90 boyz behind it and be an immobile ork army they will have to come deal with. It is risky though because you will not be a very mobile ork army so you have to be ready to take a chance but it is an oddity to see orks not swarming across the battlefield but it makes for a different game. It is far from an unbeatable strategy but against random opponents it can be interesting and some tourney players have told me it can be quite obnoxious to deal with so I'd say decorate it up and have an impressive bit of ork scenery. I did my tower up with a bunch of ork bitz along with some skaven bitz and ogre kingdom bitz (my 2 fantasy armies) and the battlements are lined with ogre (ogryn hehe) heads mounted on poles and the tower has all of the dark angel statues properly defaced. It was a fun project but I strongly recommend a spray gun for painting purposes and be prepared for maintenance as bitz come off.

the fort sounds awesome, ut i can safely say it is not in my near future haha

I will work on decorating my ADL to have it ready for one day, but for now I think I will stick with the wagons and bikers and just try my best to keep the lootas alive behind some kind of cover

Hi everyone,
Yes I AM BACK!

I am LOVING this list, except all the shoota/scorchas with my bikerz are becoming a little unnecessary lol. Is there something better I can be doing with the points?

TOTAL
1499 pts

HQ
1x Warboss, Warbike, Atk Squig, PK, cybork, bosspole (155 pts)
1x Big Mek with KFF (85 pts)

Elites
5x Lootas (75 pts)
5x Lootas (75 pts)

Troops
19x Shoota Boyz, 1 big shootas, Nob with bosspole (139 pts) (with Big Mek KFF)
20x Shoota Boyz, 2 big shootas (130 pts)
20x Shoota Boyz, 2 Big Shootas (130 pts)

6x Nob Bikerz (390 pts) with:
-Painboy
-6x Cybork
-1 Waaagh! Banner
-1 Power Klaw
-4 Big Choppa
-5 shoota/scorcha kombi

Heavy Support
1x Battlewagon with Deff Rolla (110 pts) (Shoota Boyz/Mekk)
1x Battlewagon with Deff Rolla (110 pts) (Shoota Boyz)
1x Battlewagon with Deff Rolla (110 pts) (Shoota Boyz)

Actually on the bikers having the option to lay down a line of templates is not a bad idea ..they will not get used every game ..but when the time comes and you need them to clear out a well entrenched objective you will love them..

if you really want to swap them out then Drop one biker nob and the kombi skorchas and roll 5 more lootas ..(possibly keeping 1 or two KSS for that odd ball time you need them)

morfydd wrote:
Actually on the bikers having the option to lay down a line of templates is not a bad idea ..they will not get used every game ..but when the time comes and you need them to clear out a well entrenched objective you will love them..

if you really want to swap them out then Drop one biker nob and the kombi skorchas and roll 5 more lootas ..(possibly keeping 1 or two KSS for that odd ball time you need them)

Thanks Morfydd!
Yeah, I am debating keeping the KSS for that reason you listed above, or against a heavy foot opponent, really help clear some clutter I think...

baltak wrote:
I have had some luck with it and it is a great intimidator for a fun game. It does get costly because with krakstorm missile upgrade it is 675 to do the fort and 30 lootas bu they can hold ground surprisingly well. It is easier in a 2k list to fit it that 1500 plus having a s8 ap3 pieplate every turn is nice and a little air/tank punch with a twin linked las cannon doesnt hut. Depending on the deployment in your mission it can be a great thing to hide objectives behind as well. I've done it more than once and just dropped 29 gretchin down to hold an objective. It does force armies to come to you because the Space marines and their various chapters cant just sit behind a firing line and pick off ypour orks. Playing on the long set you can actually stick every objective you can behind the fort and stuff 60-90 boyz behind it and be an immobile ork army they will have to come deal with. It is risky though because you will not be a very mobile ork army so you have to be ready to take a chance but it is an oddity to see orks not swarming across the battlefield but it makes for a different game. It is far from an unbeatable strategy but against random opponents it can be interesting and some tourney players have told me it can be quite obnoxious to deal with so I'd say decorate it up and have an impressive bit of ork scenery. I did my tower up with a bunch of ork bitz along with some skaven bitz and ogre kingdom bitz (my 2 fantasy armies) and the battlements are lined with ogre (ogryn hehe) heads mounted on poles and the tower has all of the dark angel statues properly defaced. It was a fun project but I strongly recommend a spray gun for painting purposes and be prepared for maintenance as bitz come off.

thanks, you just gave my precious € a new reason to dissapear

Hey everyone, yes this thread is back!

What do you guys think of it with the new codex? My immediate thought is the bikers aren't as good, but I can't bear to remove them :(

I heard the new 'dex pushes us back into hoorde/greentide type lists...?

Bikers are somewhat better if you think about it. Yes they lost there Cover saves. But they can have bigger squads now. You can add Doks, Meks and Bosses to them now. I don't think there will be as much of a spam if you will with them now. Maybe one big squad with some support HQ wise. Adding a KFF to cover them now, with FNP can be pretty tough to deal with. Adding in a warboss to soak up some wounds maybe can help as well. If you liked running them. They will still be something to use and still enjoy. If you haven't used them then it might be tough to justify buying them. At least this is my opinion on the matter.

 balsak_da_mighty wrote:
Bikers are somewhat better if you think about it. Yes they lost there Cover saves. But they can have bigger squads now. You can add Doks, Meks and Bosses to them now. I don't think there will be as much of a spam if you will with them now. Maybe one big squad with some support HQ wise. Adding a KFF to cover them now, with FNP can be pretty tough to deal with. Adding in a warboss to soak up some wounds maybe can help as well. If you liked running them. They will still be something to use and still enjoy. If you haven't used them then it might be tough to justify buying them. At least this is my opinion on the matter.

^^^^

Pretty much exactly this. Bikes will still be one of our greatest tools, though they might not exactly be 'auto include' every single time. Jinking is strong with our Bikes too when we Turbo Boost, giving us a 3+ cover instead of the regular 4+. And, if you tend to bring KSS anyway, then your loss in BS doesn't matter for that important burn turn. Bigger squads of them is awesome as well. I love being able to fit them more comfortably in my lists without wondering how to reduce points here and there to fit one or two more.

The KFF gets even better for your Bikes since it acts as an Invul and not a redundant cover save, making the Bikes survivable, giving non Nob Bikers an Invul. Which is AWESOME. Even getting Painboyz in a Biker Boy group is excellent. Still an effective squad, but cheaper than before. Cheaper is always better!

I feel the Dex offers us strong play styles across the board. While they did hurt Battle Wagon spam a bit, Bikers (as we covered) can be swarmed easier, we can effectivly go Hoarde with our revamped Waaagh! ability, Walkers are being pushed as well, giving us new/cheaper options. I myself invested in a Morkanaught, because a HUGE 5++ bubble screamed to me as a traditional CC lover. More Ard Armor to go around helps, and Painboyz in my Boyz mobs is stupid awesome. Still super cheap, super durable mobs.

We also have awesome artillery this edition. We keep our old guns, but they only got CHEAPER (A strong theme in this Codex), but we also got even MORE guns to tinker with, giving us awesome AA if we really need it, and the ever reliable Lobbas and Kannons stick around. Some of the newer ones can be a little meh, but again...cheaper gun lines!

So hold on a second, I can have a painboy and mek with kff in a bike squad? that sounds insane???

I don't see deff rolla 2d6 on tanks in the FAQ ?

ATO

I heard the biggest nerf was to def rollas actually :(