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ClockworkZion wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:
Man, you could run a pretty big horde with BT if you wanted. 240 for 20 models, can get 80 in at under 1000. I wouldn't be surprised to see some people running 120-140 models at 2K.

Orks just met their match, haha.

There is a reason that build is known as the "Black Tide" (as compared to the Green Tide).

Templars also are better shots, AP off most Ork saves (5+ shirts) with everything but Shotguns, and swing first in combat.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

Archons can take the Huskblade. AP2 with Instant Death.

Really when did that happen - missed that!!!? I thought the Huskblade was justa "power weapon" that caused instant death - so a Power Sword Husk Blade would be AP3 and only a Power Axe AP2? That would be great for my Archon if true

This is why people need to read FAQs for their army and everyone else's. It's been like that since liek the first or second 6th Edition FAQ for Dark Eldar.

You're still S3 though.

Orks long since met their match

They are the oldest current codex, and everyone else gets to pieplate them off the table (often ignoring their cover on the way ... )

Ork shirts are 6+ saves btw, not 5+. It's a calendar event when an ork gets to take an armour save (barring ard boyz and meganobz)

Greentide doesn't really work that well these days. 4th and 5th ed were ok, 6th really isn't. Black tide works a deal better, as 3+ armour will shrug most weapons and Marines get to be S 4 all the time, not just on the charge.


That said, orks are still cooler Just not as effective.

Biggest problem Green Tide ever had was time limits in tournaments and in personal games. Other than that it was pretty brutal. Especially with the migration to plasma the number of bullets people can fire in the two turns they get would just not be enough(especially with dat 5+ cover save)

180 models for like 1200 or so points. Most armies just dont have the volume of fire to deal with that.

Also the remove casualties from the front really hurt them but with good use of IC's you can help mitigate this(The IC unit slingshot comes to mind with an HQ on bike)

I heard the crimson fists dust jacket was for the regular limited edition book. Anyone know for sure on this?

I can see all of these being sold out really quickly.........

God damn that iron hands one is sweet.......

Seems to miss the Crimson Fists cover/dust-jacket (?)

Some of those covers look awesome, though I would've liked more 'flavor' for certain ones: Raven Guard with a jump pack and chainsword, White Scars marine on a bike.

The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Seems to miss the Crimson Fists cover/dust-jacket (?)

According to /tg/ that's the "generic successor dustjacket".

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Seems to miss the Crimson Fists cover/dust-jacket (?)

According to /tg/ that's the "generic successor dustjacket".

Well, a "generic successor" with dark-blue armour and a dark-red gauntlet than?

Wow, those are some delicious covers. Love the realistic grimdark style. Hope they release them as posters.

ClockworkZion wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 lost_soul wrote:
Are we going to be able to put heavy flamers in our tac squads if we run salamanders. I want flamers and meltas everywhere.

No word on that yet. We may find out next week.


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40k Radio just confirmed that Nephytes are 10 points, which puts a full Crusader squad at 240 points before upgrades. 20 points cheaper than their previous naked counterpart and 80 points cheaper than their counterpart with grenades.

That's quite a bargain compared to the previous book.

Could you please find out anything regarding the Blood Ravens for me, if at all possible?

They said no chapter who has an unknown parent chapter got it revealed.

Cheers Dude.


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DogofWar1 wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
If anyone can take out The Despoiler in CC deserves to have the title of Manliest Man in the Galaxy of Man.

Pedro Kantor?

Marbo, for one, but I imagine after Eldrad stole Abbadon's arms quite a few people could beat him.

Both Kantor and Marbo are manly, but they're not Abbadon beaters.

I think the guys that come closest are Calgar and Lysander.

The Swarmlord and GK Brotherhood Champions are the only ones manly enough to take Abaddon 1v1.

 Zweischneid wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Seems to miss the Crimson Fists cover/dust-jacket (?)

According to /tg/ that's the "generic successor dustjacket".

Well, a "generic successor" with dark-blue armour and a dark-red gauntlet than?

Oh I know he's not "generic", I think he's just the dust jacket for the generic successor book.

Anyone else notice that we have 3 Sons of Dorn book covers?

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

So I just looking at the numbers for IF devastators on a quadgun.

Might really help with the heldrake problem a lot.......think it was around a 22% chance to drop a heldrake.

I wonder if a signum can apply to allied attached characters......

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

Page 41: Units give their Designated Transports the rule Scout as long as they're inside of them.

Is the 'generic' (Crimson Fists) dust jacket the regular limited edition?

I don't know if it is poor scanning or photography, but it seems like somebody at GW got excited with the Instragram blur-filter when printing some of these covers...

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

Page 41: Units give their Designated Transports the rule Scout as long as they're inside of them.

Right, but Scout doesn't give them the 4+ cover save that this guy is talking about does it?

 Daba wrote:
Is the 'generic' (Crimson Fists) dust jacket the regular limited edition?

I believe so.

EDIT: Actually it seems it's the dust jacket and the Templar one is the hardcover for the Successor Chapters book.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

Page 41: Units give their Designated Transports the rule Scout as long as they're inside of them.

Right, but Scout doesn't give them the 4+ cover save that this guy is talking about does it?

That would be from Stealth, and I don't have my book handy to see if it transfers to a DT.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

Page 41: Units give their Designated Transports the rule Scout as long as they're inside of them.

Right, but Scout doesn't give them the 4+ cover save that this guy is talking about does it?

No, but I did want to point out that the Raven Guard transports could still Scout if they fulfilled certain conditions.

 d-usa wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
The Raven guard chapter tactic let's a SM Rhino Rush be 6" from the opposing board edge or on their deployment line with 4+ cover at the end of turn 1. Or just outflank them if needed.

Seriously, they're gonna be my favs if thats how they run. That means any army will have about one turn before you focus fire into any part of their army with massed bolters or whatever. Might even mean assault squads in Rhinos or with JP's become decent.

Not really, because vehicles don't benefit from Chapter Tactics unless otherwise stated, and in the case of the Raven Guard, it isn't otherwise stated.

Page 41: Units give their Designated Transports the rule Scout as long as they're inside of them.

Right, but Scout doesn't give them the 4+ cover save that this guy is talking about does it?

That would be from Stealth, and I don't have my book handy to see if it transfers to a DT.

Stealth which the vehicles don't get as they don't have Chapter Tactics.

I'm really liking this latest set of rumors, though the Warlord Traits are a little underwhelming IMO. All in all, my Iron Hands successors are looking forward to this release with great interest!

I still think it's wierd that Ultramarines have a similiar CT as Imperial fist...only better. Or am I missing something completely?

though that siege experts thing sounds juicy, straight up rerolling 1's on everything and full rerolls for tac. squads is just silly

The Fists one applies all the time, the UM one only applies for one turn.

 Leth wrote:
So I just looking at the numbers for IF devastators on a quadgun.

Might really help with the heldrake problem a lot.......think it was around a 22% chance to drop a heldrake.

I wonder if a signum can apply to allied attached characters......

Yeah, already building a list with plan to have 20 Devs (split off into four 5-man groups), with some manning the Quad gun. Quad gun with tank hunters mean pretty much any flier that isn't at least AV11 with 3 Hull points is dead on arrival (AV10 with 3 dies, AV11 with 2 dies too...mmmmm). AV12 with 3 HP is a little tougher to crack, but those rerolls for penetration mean you'll be shearing off hull points left and right. Stick them in with some flak missile Devs, and during the shooting phase you can end any flier you feel deserves it that turn (all of them do).

Tri-Hellturkey lists probably are still annoying, but if they've invested in 3 Hellturkeys, then you at least know where their points are.

So how much are we expected to pay for just a dust jacket? Double the price?

Also if you have one unit on the quadgun with say heavy bolters so that when it is not firing at fliers it has a similar target, then another unit somewhere else with flakk so the helturkeys actually have to decide who to go after, and then you can pick and choose which one you want to hunt.

Throw in a mortis contemptor and your flier problems are pretty nil while still having everything being good at ground targets

Personally I was looking at Dev Centurions with lascannon and missile since they also benefit from the IF trait while also having a 2+ for 240ish points I think you get 3 twin-linked lascannon shots and 3 missile shots with tank hunter on 2 wound 2+ save platforms. Pretty decent for taking care of AV 14.

Then taking a second unit with Grav Amps. Also will be pretty decent at taking down vehicles and heavy units. This opens up your other units for other duties.

Heck even snap shotting they got a good chance to do some damage to fliers with re-rolling AP.

It will be exciting to get the book for sure, but I am glad that my initial appraisal of them was correct. If you are running no vehicles it is a great way to get some heavy durable firepower in your list.

Also.....DA librarian, power field, infravisor cheap scout/tac squad

All of a sudden those Grav centurions go from scary to god like. The more in the unit the better.....The big problem is making sure that they stay out of combat.

 centuryslayer wrote:
I still think it's wierd that Ultramarines have a similiar CT as Imperial fist...only better. Or am I missing something completely?

Ultras get to pop theirs for one turn (two turns with Calgar), Imperial Fists get theirs all game long.

 centuryslayer wrote:
I still think it's wierd that Ultramarines have a similiar CT as Imperial fist...only better. Or am I missing something completely?

though that siege experts thing sounds juicy, straight up rerolling 1's on everything and full rerolls for tac. squads is just silly

Ultramarines only get to use one of their three traits 1 time per game, and only one can be active at the time. If you want to use any one of those a second time you have to pay 275+ points for Calgar who lets you activate one of those a second time.

Ugh, that Salamanders cover using a Mk IV helmet may make me cough up, since I use those on all my Salamander marines. My poor wallet