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If we want to go with Tranzor-Z as an inspiration, they're a pair of missiles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_A

... but I kid.

I think I'm with Furyo... the fusion reactor on her back doesn't have a lot of room for additional gear. Her actual assets are contained within the bodyglove/plugsuit she's wearing under the layers of ceramite.

....gotta carry spare mags for the boltgun *somewhere*.


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Though... back to the bikes and trucks thing...

I wonder if we could slot the trucks as a DT option and bikes as FA?

I'm just... really keen on the idea of Biker Nuns now. But I also like nuns driving a war-jeep with a twin-linked flamer or a stormbolter pintle-mounted in the back. The blast-shield the weapon should have is great opportunity for all sorts of painting fun.

And we need something that will be their super-heavy. The church-on-tracks is one such idea. Another is the super-huge relics that spit flaming death (and if one of them was a gold box carried by a dozen people... well... ) and fury on enemies. I dunno about an Ecclesiarchal Baneblade... I think that tank is overplayed.

My take on the boobplate is that it's a design choice. The ornate, corset-like armour fits nicely with the general aesthetic of the Sisters: over the top and gothic.

In-universe, I imagine that it was a similar thing: Vandire wanted eye-catching, ornate armour, so that's what he requisitioned. Or it was just to influence of the Ecclesiarchy/Imperium in general.

 SisterSydney wrote:
Considering that the Sisterhood sends its Repentia into battle wearing, um, provocative garments -- even the models are a bit skimpy, let alone the artwork, which suggests they have managed to weaponize nudity-- I think it's clear that someone influential in the early days of the Adepta Sororitas had a strong appreciation for the power of the female form to distract and disconcert a male opponent.

Heh, I don't think that the Sisters are into charming the heretics that they kill. The Repentia are dressed like that because it's a part of their penitence. They forgo armour of any kind and rush right at the enemy, in an effort to make up for their (percieved) sins. I don't think it has anything to do with showing off their figures at all.

Since we're on the topic of Repentia, I'll go ahead and wish for slightly more modest Repentia models while we're at it. Don't get me wrong, I really like their fluff (to the point that I'm going to paint some Valorous Heart Sisters at some stage), but them being so scantily clad can lead to people not taking them seriously, and it does feel just a little over the top/silly (I know, we're discussing the army that has weaponised pipe organs, but that's how I feel). Some ragged robes could work.

 Lynata wrote:
and had them "entertain him with singing, dancing, and other, more exotic, skills." Uh-oh.

Well, we could interpret "exotic skills" as juggling, or something like that.

I vote plate spinning, midget tossing and fire juggling!


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Or maybe they did puppet theater.

Anyone one else a Sister doing a 1 puppet show of the Vagina Monologues?

lol @ juggling and puppet shows

Jeez, sometimes I have a way too picturesque imagination.

Troike wrote:Don't get me wrong, I really like their fluff (to the point that I'm going to paint some Valorous Heart Sisters at some stage), but them being so scantily clad can lead to people not taking them seriously, and it does feel just a little over the top/silly (I know, we're discussing the army that has weaponised pipe organs, but that's how I feel). Some ragged robes could work.

More like Blanche's art for the pre-WH Repentia? Hah, the irony.

tbh, I think the current Repentia minis are still clothed too much, and thus look too normal.

Look at the girls in the lower middle and the lower right section of this image and tell me you wouldn't be scared, I dare ya.

I'd like to point out that Repentia really should have bare feet (or feet wrapped in rags) instead of what we have right now were they're wearing the same armored boots they wear in their power armor.

What part of "dressed in rags" did the sculptor not get?

ClockworkZion wrote:What part of "dressed in rags" did the sculptor not get?

I'm more willing to attribute this to GW's shift to becoming "family friendly". You know, the same kind of design decisions that got us ugly, clothed Daemonettes.

The duties of the Brides of the Emperor under Vandire (pun not intended) are also not mentioned anymore these days, and neither is the Schola's temporary use as a shopping mall for pedophiles.

Genocide, torture and murder are perfectly alright, but don't you dare have a naked breast somewhere!

 Lynata wrote:
Genocide, torture and murder are perfectly alright, but don't you dare have a naked breast somewhere!

That's terribly American of them, actually. And I say this is a proud (most of the time) American patriot. To excerpt an Onion article:

BETHEL PARK, PA—A routine Schaeffer family movie night took a sudden and deeply uncomfortable turn Thursday when the family of four was forced to white-knuckle its way through an unanticipated sex scene, household sources confirmed......

As the characters’ lovemaking grew increasingly urgent, the Schaeffers were reportedly buckling down and hanging on tight, steeling themselves with the knowledge that this was a PG-13 movie and that its adult content had to be—just had to be—over any second now.

The family was last seen letting out deep sighs of relief as the depiction of intimacy was interrupted by a barrage of gunfire and the film’s villains crashing through the bedroom window, mercifully returning the story to a scene of graphic violence.

 Lynata wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:What part of "dressed in rags" did the sculptor not get?

I'm more willing to attribute this to GW's shift to becoming "family friendly". You know, the same kind of design decisions that got us ugly, clothed Daemonettes.

The duties of the Brides of the Emperor under Vandire (pun not intended) are also not mentioned anymore these days, and neither is the Schola's temporary use as a shopping mall for pedophiles.

Genocide, torture and murder are perfectly alright, but don't you dare have a naked breast somewhere!

Repentia are older than the plastic Daemonettes.

And it's not like barefeet are THAT awful.

The knee armor thing bugs me too.

Also, they changed the Mistress that leads the Repentia squads to using her neural whips on the enemy. Rather, not a change, per se, but an added bit of text to cover up the fact that she's at the back of the squad and a lot of Repentia have fresh welts on their backs.

When I painted my Repentia I carefully glazed some of the wounds I painted to give them a fresh, bruised look. That took some work!

 SisterSydney wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Genocide, torture and murder are perfectly alright, but don't you dare have a naked breast somewhere!

That's terribly American of them, actually. And I say this is a proud (most of the time) American patriot. To excerpt an Onion article:

BETHEL PARK, PA—A routine Schaeffer family movie night took a sudden and deeply uncomfortable turn Thursday when the family of four was forced to white-knuckle its way through an unanticipated sex scene, household sources confirmed......

As the characters’ lovemaking grew increasingly urgent, the Schaeffers were reportedly buckling down and hanging on tight, steeling themselves with the knowledge that this was a PG-13 movie and that its adult content had to be—just had to be—over any second now.

The family was last seen letting out deep sighs of relief as the depiction of intimacy was interrupted by a barrage of gunfire and the film’s villains crashing through the bedroom window, mercifully returning the story to a scene of graphic violence.

I was honestly joking and throwing around the idea of a SWAT team (in the U.S. most likely) breaching in, killing all the poor pets with a bullet in each of their brains (including the 5 pound terrier, the cat, the parrot and the fish) and hazing the family with pepper spray, flash bang grenades, tear gas and tazors after they found out it wasn't real gun violence but the family watching a movie too loudly. Then they just threw some cocaine around the house and said they were making it. Then the father thinks to himself "A bunch of dudes bullying us? This is just like PE class in the showers all over again!".

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Back on topic or sort of. I find it would be funny if the sisters had like a cell phone on vibrate in one of their boob armor plates. It just starts vibrating. "Hold on my boob is vibrating. I gotta take this. *answers phone* Hello! *talks into boob*" Hehe.

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Ok so back to actual model ideas. We had the lobotomized cherub babies. I can see that. It'd disturb me but that's what 40k is about. Ugh I can't help but think about the stuff the blood angels already have with the sanguinary guard. It just seems to work with the feel of sisters of battle. I still say we go for the hallucinogenic grenades or some sort of flame grenades which avoid cover obviously. Then possible smoke grenades or incense from a floating altar to make a cloud that distorts the enemy's view when shooting ranged weapons at the sisters possibly. I imagine seeing sisters with a lot more chainswords for some reason. I still think repentia could use different weapon load-outs. I don't think that's asking for much. I still feel like we're missing an angelic squad. There are seraphim sure but they don't look angelic enough yet or at least for my tastes. Possibly give the sisters a fiery comet type of call-down from orbit similar enough to orbital bombardment. Possibly a fiery brimstone rain sort of ability that ruins enemy leadership.

God you know what'd be overly stupid? Rocket powered fists! I don't think sisters should get that but it's an idea worth thinking about for other factions maybe.

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Yeah I guess America loves violence over nudity.

To be fair to GW I think I saw a visible boob on the new medusa-looking model on the blood wrack shrine or whatever that new dark elf unit was. It was the multi-part kit for the cauldron of blood with the blood wrack shrine as an alternate model.

If you think imagined violence is worse than real nudity then there's something special over on youtube. The thing on youtube is about a Norwegian dude that goes around asking women for their phone numbers while completely naked and also getting aroused. I don't think I should talk about it more here but I still can't stop laughing over it. He gets in trouble with the police at the end. Just remember there are extremes of both. I can imagine it though, "Hey watch where you point that Thing! You're gonna poke somebody's eye out!"

Hah! Gotta love the Onion.

Psienesis wrote:Also, they changed the Mistress that leads the Repentia squads to using her neural whips on the enemy.

And the name from "Repentia Mistress" to "Mistress of Repentance".

flamingkillamajig wrote:I still say we go for the hallucinogenic grenades or some sort of flame grenades which avoid cover obviously.

Thuribles and Phosphor Grenades. This one I endorse.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Back on topic or sort of. I find it would be funny if the sisters had like a cell phone on vibrate in one of their boob armor plates. It just starts vibrating. "Hold on my boob is vibrating. I gotta take this. *answers phone* Hello! *talks into boob*" Hehe.

Oh gods what have you done.

Lol I didn't even think of the boobs as a phone themselves like a land-line phone. That's actually funnier than my idea.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Lol I didn't even think of the boobs as a phone themselves like a land-line phone. That's actually funnier than my idea.

Yes, but your idea is funny because it's true. :p

There's a vox-caster built into her armor. Where do you think the handset is?

 Psienesis wrote:
There's a vox-caster built into her armor. Where do you think the handset is?

Must make it awkward when someone needs to borrow her vox....

It's probably going to be another Sister so, you know, not really a big deal.

But, eh, I'm just kidding around. Really, my true "wishlist" for Sisters-related stuff is for a series of novels. The James Swallow series wasn't bad, but I want, like, an epic twelve-volume set or something. I want to follow someone, or someones, from life in the Imperium to the Schola Progenium to the Convent to the Orders, Militant and Non, to Canoness to maybe even beatification. I want to see the entire life of a Sister or a group of Sisters, and all the details of the Ecclesiarchy, the Schola, the Convents, Novitiates, Initiates, taking oaths on Terra, the whole nine yards.

Unfortunately, I don't want any of the current BL authors writing it. While I like bits and pieces of most of them, all of them have various aspects to their style or their personal canon that I just don't get into. Not really sure who I would want to have write it, though, since most of my favorite authors are dead, but... a definitive, nitty-gritty, down-to-fine-details series from BL for the Sisters and the Ecclesiarchy, in much the same way that Abnett has provided as much for the Inquisition in the Ravenor and Eisenhorn series, or the Guard in the Gaunt series, would be tops on my wishlist.

 Psienesis wrote:
It's probably going to be another Sister so, you know, not really a big deal.

Yeah, but that one time the Inquisitor yells into her boobs for an orbital strike is going to be really awkward.

Awkward.... or epic?

 Psienesis wrote:
Awkward.... or epic?

I don't know. I never thought a story in 40k could end with "and that's how my breasts stopped the invasion of Terra."

 Lynata wrote:
More like Blanche's art for the pre-WH Repentia? Hah, the irony.

tbh, I think the current Repentia minis are still clothed too much, and thus look too normal.

Look at the girls in the lower middle and the lower right section of this image and tell me you wouldn't be scared, I dare ya.

I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I know that they really should look crazy and over the top, I guess I'm just slighly worried about people getting certain impressions of them based on those models, But then, maybe that's not something we should really care about anyway.

 Lynata wrote:
but don't you dare have a naked breast somewhere!

One of the new Dark Elf models had a bare breast, so obviously they're still allowed to do it.

Hrm, I think, with the right author and the right character-archetypes, it could be a bit of both.

I'm pretty sure, given their lifestyles as recluses and penitents, that the Sisters don't view themselves as sexual beings. An Inquisitor, especially of certain Puritan factions, might not either. A hetero female Inquisitor of any faction doesn't either, at least, probably not in the sense that such a scene would be terribly awkward for either... strange, perhaps, as in the Inquisitor saying something like, "If you told me this morning when I woke up that I'd be speaking into a ceramite brassiere this evening, I'd have called you mad..."

... but not going much beyond that point.

 Troike wrote:
Look at the girls in the lower middle and the lower right section of this image and tell me you wouldn't be scared, I dare ya.

I dunno. They are kinda cute.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Look at the girls in the lower middle and the lower right section of this image and tell me you wouldn't be scared, I dare ya.

I dunno. They are kinda cute.

I wonder if that is what they would put on your tombstone?

"Here lies Happyjew, he told some Sisters Repentia that they were 'kinda cute'."

 Psienesis wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Look at the girls in the lower middle and the lower right section of this image and tell me you wouldn't be scared, I dare ya.

I dunno. They are kinda cute.

I wonder if that is what they would put on your tombstone?

"Here lies Happyjew, he told some Sisters Repentia that they were 'kinda cute'."

Famous last words?

Talk about a burn...

I....

Well, no, with your username, I'm not going to make any jokes or quips involving fire or burning.

 Psienesis wrote:
I....

Well, no, with your username, I'm not going to make any jokes or quips involving fire or burning.

I wouldn't be offended, but others might. So it's probably a good idea...

ClockworkZion wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Awkward.... or epic?

I don't know. I never thought a story in 40k could end with "and that's how my breasts stopped the invasion of Terra."

Troike wrote:I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I know that they really should look crazy and over the top, I guess I'm just slighly worried about people getting certain impressions of them based on those models, But then, maybe that's not something we should really care about anyway.

It's not something we can do anything about, anyways, apart from repeating the usual explanations and hoping they're not just immature trolls.
The SoB miniature line, or the art style in general, certainly offers potential for cheap jokes or sexist remarks, but only for small, juvenile minds who are unable to cope with what "space opera" and 40k are all about.

Honestly. Next thing we know someone complains about all the skulls.

Troike wrote:One of the new Dark Elf models had a bare breast, so obviously they're still allowed to do it.

Dammit GW, every time I think I figured you out, something like this happens.

Wait ... at least that's one constant right there.

It's not something we can do anything about, anyways, apart from repeating the usual explanations and hoping they're not just immature trolls.
The SoB miniature line, or the art style in general, certainly offers potential for cheap jokes or sexist remarks, but only for small, juvenile minds who are unable to cope with what "space opera" and 40k are all about.

Honestly. Next thing we know someone complains about all the skulls.

Yeah...

Given that there's the obvious Catholic influence on the Sisterhood, the background of their origins being a Catholic School From Hell, and that their armor consists of a corset and thigh-high boots (visually)...

... well, there's an entire RL sexual fetish centered on these very things, so I think that's always going to inform certain interpretations.