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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 13:32:19
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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SisterSydney wrote:
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I don't have access to a Dark Angels codex, but the Avenger I'm talking about is an Imperial Navy flier I've only seen in Imperial Armour Aeronautica thus far; the gun is basically a super heavy bolter with 36" range and 7 shots. (Mods, please note, I did not give away all the stats there, you'd have to reference an official publication for Strength and AP).
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The Avenger Mega Bolter from the Nephilim is like a non-rending assault cannon with twice the range and an extra shot. And a straight swap for a TLLC for pricing. So not the same thing, but probably a good turret weapon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 13:35:50
Subject: Re:Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Why not use the Avenger Bolt Cannon from the Avenger Strike Fighter? That gun is INSANE!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 13:59:37
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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I believe that is what Sister Sydney of the Holy Order of the Bloody Wrench was talking about.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 13:59:37
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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SisterSydney wrote:Some very nice ideas.
I spent a fair bit of time trying to figure out the length of the Avenger cannon and whether it could fit in a turret, actually -- if anyone has an Avenger fighter model and could measure that'd be very helpful, I couldn't figure out from pics whether it went most of the length of the aircraft (as on its inspiration the A-10) or not. That would determine if it's turretable.
And the Sisters definitely need an assault transport, albeit not a Marine-only monster like the Land Raider.
I'm not sure the Repressor works as a chassis for either , though, since the engine is presumably in front, which blocks any assault ramp or a forward-firing cannon....
The Avenger Bolt Cannon (on the Avenger) is around 2" counting the "plug" bit on the back used for mounting it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 15:23:02
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I think an Outflanking Hellhound is a little over the top, but that's just me. :-P
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Farseer Faenyin
7,100 pts Yme-Loc Eldar(Apoc Included) / 5,700 pts (Non-Apoc)
Record for 6th Edition- Eldar: 25-4-2
Record for 7th Edition -
Eldar: 0-0-0 (Yes, I feel it is that bad)
Battlefleet Gothic: 2,750 pts of Craftworld Eldar
X-wing(Focusing on Imperials): CR90, 6 TIE Fighters, 4 TIE Interceptors, TIE Bomber, TIE Advanced, 4 X-wings, 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, Y-wing, Z-95
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 16:00:50
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Play Guard and take Creed. You can outflank a SQUADRON of them (3 of them). One ain't so bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 16:34:21
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Shunting Grey Knight Interceptor
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I really like the suggestions. I always thought, the sisters to have a bit too restricted options in vehicles...
A favourite of mine are the different types of ammo for the Exorcist.^^
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"When in deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
run in little circles,
wave your arms and shout." - Litany of Command (parody)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 16:52:57
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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I don't. That's metal.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 17:12:19
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Preacher of the Emperor
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I believe by "a little over the top" you mean to say "FETHING AWESOME HOOAAAH."
Also, see point about Creed outflanking three of them at a time.
I actually originally conceived this vehicle as fire support for Scouting/Outflanking Dominions in Immolators, by the way. Because a girl can never have too much FIRE.
ClockworkZion wrote:The Avenger Bolt Cannon (on the Avenger) is around 2" counting the "plug" bit on the back used for mounting it.
Yep, that's the gun I'm talking about. Even assuming the model part represents only half the gun, and the half is fully inside the fuseleage, that sounds like a weapon that can fit in a Predator turret. Maybe a weirdly shaped Predator turret with an extended back that overhangs (e.g. like the current US Army M1 Abrams), but doable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 17:34:43
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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Comparing it to the Thunderbolt, where only the very tip of the gun is exposed, surely you'd think the Bolt Cannon runs back along the length of the aircraft?
In any case, it's basically half a Vulcan Megabolter, so the best comparison for length might be the warhound titan arm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 18:07:25
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Furyou Miko wrote:Comparing it to the Thunderbolt, where only the very tip of the gun is exposed, surely you'd think the Bolt Cannon runs back along the length of the aircraft?
In any case, it's basically half a Vulcan Megabolter, so the best comparison for length might be the warhound titan arm.
No it's not, the Vulcan Megabolter is fatter. I think the barrel length is just fine for what it is (1" is rougly 6-7' in the scale we have, so it's 12-14' long) and what's in the body of the aircraft is the feed and firing mechanisms.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 18:38:42
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Yeah, the Megabolter is way bigger and has not only more range but significantly better S and AP than standard bolter weapons (I believe the Avenger has the same S & AP as heavy bolters).
It's also worth noting that the real-life A-10's GAU is a tank-buster, while the Avenger fighter's ABC is not, it's a power-armoured-infantry murderer. So it may well be smaller relative to the aircraft carrying it.
So the Avenger Bolt Cannon ("the alphabet gun") should fit in a tank turret, though arguably you should convert your Predators with a bigger turret than the standard bitty one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 19:06:25
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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SisterSydney wrote:Yeah, the Megabolter is way bigger and has not only more range but significantly better S and AP than standard bolter weapons (I believe the Avenger has the same S & AP as heavy bolters).
So the Avenger Bolt Cannon ("the alphabet gun") should fit in a tank turret, though arguably you should convert your Predators with a bigger turret than the standard bitty one.
Size is insignificant on the tabletop. The SM infantry lascannon is ~25% smaller than the tank lascannon and still has the same profile. You can have a scaled-down Avenger Mega Bolter that fits into the turret and everyone should deal with it. Also, personal note: the ABC sucks, so go with the AMB if you want awesomeness  .
And two vehicles from the motor-pool of our SoB player (he actually uses both of them quite frequently):
Redemptor / Fast Attack / 150 points
BS 4 / FA 13 / SA 12 / RA 11 / HP 3 / Vehicle (Fast, Tank)
Wargear: Twin-Linked Inferno Cannon (turret mounted), Smoke Launchers
Special Rules: Shield of Faith
Options:
- Replace TL Inferno Cannon with TL Melta Cannon or TL Avanger Mega Bolter for free
- Vehicle equipment options as normal (Extra Armour, Storm Bolter, Searchlight, Dozer Blade, HK Missile)
Deliverer / Heavy Support / 150 points
BS 4 / FA 14 / SA 12 / RA 11 / Vehicle (Tank)
Wargear: Macro Cannon (hull mounted), Smoke Launchers
Special Rules: Shield of Faith
Options:
- Replace macro cannon with demolisher cannon or eradicator nova cannon for free
- May take a siege shield for +10 points
- Normal vehicle equipment options (Extra Armour, Storm Bolter, Searchlight, Dozer Blade, HK Missile)
The Redemptor is a fast assault tank that can dish out some pretty serious firepower. The Deliverer is the large blast love tank, because the girls lack large blasts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 19:45:24
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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The Avenger Bolt Cannon (Avenger Strike Fighter) is S6 AP3, while the Avenger Megabolter on the Nephilim is S6 AP4 and a Heavy Bolter is S5 AP4. When I say the Bolt Cannon is half a Vulcan Megabolter, I'm talking stat-wise as well as appearance-wise - it's the same gun with half the shots (rounding down).
So, Atomaki, I'm really not sure where you get the idea that the AMB is better than the ABC - it doesn't auto-kill Marines, while the ABC does.
The Bolt Cannon is billed as an anti-tank weapon though.
Putting the toned-down AP4 megabolter on a tank turret might work, I guess?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 20:21:39
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Furyou Miko wrote:The Avenger Bolt Cannon (Avenger Strike Fighter) is S6 AP3, while the Avenger Megabolter on the Nephilim is S6 AP4 and a Heavy Bolter is S5 AP4. When I say the Bolt Cannon is half a Vulcan Megabolter, I'm talking stat-wise as well as appearance-wise - it's the same gun with half the shots (rounding down).
So, Atomaki, I'm really not sure where you get the idea that the AMB is better than the ABC - it doesn't auto-kill Marines, while the ABC does.
The Bolt Cannon is billed as an anti-tank weapon though.
Putting the toned-down AP4 megabolter on a tank turret might work, I guess?
If you want a big bolter as a capstone for the holy trinity, I'd stick with one of the AP4 ones. While Xenos might pack large amounts of AP3 stuff, it's pretty rare on the imperial side. AP 3 to 4 is a big line to cross, and AP 3 doesn't really say "bolter" to me, even if there are a few that exist.
Leave the ABC on the fighter. The AMB sounds like a better fit for a tank anyway, IMHO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 20:33:39
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Furyou Miko wrote:The Avenger Bolt Cannon (Avenger Strike Fighter) is S6 AP3, while the Avenger Megabolter on the Nephilim is S6 AP4 and a Heavy Bolter is S5 AP4. When I say the Bolt Cannon is half a Vulcan Megabolter, I'm talking stat-wise as well as appearance-wise - it's the same gun with half the shots (rounding down).
So, Atomaki, I'm really not sure where you get the idea that the AMB is better than the ABC - it doesn't auto-kill Marines, while the ABC does.
The Bolt Cannon is billed as an anti-tank weapon though.
Putting the toned-down AP4 megabolter on a tank turret might work, I guess?
No, put the ABC on the tank, but shorten it's range to 24" to compensate.
Sisters need some weapons that can butcher Marines.
The only way I'd accept the AMB is if it where TL.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 20:57:13
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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ClockworkZion wrote:
No, put the ABC on the tank, but shorten it's range to 24" to compensate.
Sisters need some weapons that can butcher Marines.
The only way I'd accept the AMB is if it where TL.
If you want a short/medium range marine killer, put a flamestorm cannon with torrent in the turret. 12" torrent plus the ~8" of the template gives you an effective range of 20" And much more SoB then finding the one bolter based weapon that happens to be AP3 and tweaking it until it fits.
But IMHO SoB is more about killing MEQ by forcing them to make a lot of saves, rather then cutting through armor. Barring meta that is.
Here is a thought for an upgrade: Retributor crew: Tank becomes a faithfull unit and gets the rending act of faith (whatever it's called) This works best for tanks in the HS slot, you could shoehorn the other acts of faith onto other tanks as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 21:04:14
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Nevelon, while that is true now, why can't Sisters also have stuff to cut through Marine armor? It's not like they're the only 3+ Sisters would have to face, and Sisters do also have the duty of murdering Space Marines when asked.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 21:33:24
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Preacher of the Emperor
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That's right, Clockwork! Murdering Marines is everybody's job!
KIDS: Now we know!
SISTER JO: And knowing is half the battle!
It's not just "Marines the Ecclesiarchy and/or Ordo Hereticus has a beef with," either. It's renegade Chapters and fething Traitor Legions, some of which have a particular fondness for defiling holy sites (yes, I'm looking at you, Word Bearers). That is a lot of Sv3+ Sisters have to deal with. AP 4 Firestorm cannon and AMBs don't hack it as heavy infantry killers.
Cutting the ABC's range to 24" in the tank-mounted version I could live with, though, as a balance thing and to keep with the "come with two feet and we will fething end you" theme of the army. Fluffwise you could say the barrel has to be cut down to fit in the tank so you lose range.
Blast artillery seems out of keeping with the army, though, Automaki: A shortage of blasts is one of the Sisters' defining weaknesses, like S3 T3, and I'm leery of over correcting at the cost of army character and game balance.
On the other hand your friend's TL infernos look appropriately terrifying.
And, Nevelon, upgrading your tanks to have a Rending AOF? Yes please.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 21:36:43
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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I suppose AP3, few things more wonderful then mowing down grunts with anti-material weapons. Just ask snipers with M82s and Warthog drivers.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 21:36:44
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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ClockworkZion wrote:Nevelon, while that is true now, why can't Sisters also have stuff to cut through Marine armor? It's not like they're the only 3+ Sisters would have to face, and Sisters do also have the duty of murdering Space Marines when asked.
Then why not just give them plasma?
Let me explain a little bit of my philosophy on home-brew stuff. I hold it to a higher standard then the studio material. If you want to add a new unit to you list, it needs to fit the fluff, the world, and the flavor of the army. It also can't make something that is already part of your list obsolete. "I want a tank that can cash marines in rolls" is not a reason to make one. "The SoB should have more then just the exorcist for armor" is a good reason. Once you try to include stuff that stretches or bends the fluff or flavor, little "cheese" alarms go off in my head.
When looking at weapons, the Sisters have a VERY tight theme: the holy trinity. The bolter, flamer, and melta. And while there may be AP3 bolters out there, they are the exception, not the rule. They don't -feel- like bolters to me. And when you are shooting it, it doesn't act like a bolter. Bolters mulch xenos and guard, not power armor.
So when trying to find a big bolter to put in a SoB tank (something I approve of) I'd like one that acts like a bolter. The ABC doesn't. Trying it include it feels more to me like you want something awesome and powerful, rather then thematic and balanced. IMHO it is the job of homebrew stuff to fit in, not make exceptions. Could the Sisters use some AP3 firepower? Sure, who couldn't. Does it fit in with the way the army currently plays? No.
If GW wants to change gears and add new stuff that shakes up an army, that's their job and option. Do I think that chaos needed mecho-demonbots and flying bale flamers? Eldar needed a bigger wraithlord? Nope, not at all. But the studio added them, so I'll change my world view to accommodate them. Do I think SoB need high volume AP3 firepower? Nope. If GW decides to add it, I'll gladly paint up some for my friend's army and make sure I load up on counters for them in my list. But I'll advise against it when people are tossing ideas around.
I don't mean to sound to confrontational. After all, my opinions of house rules don't mean much unless you are in my neck of the woods. If you and your friends think it works, and you have fun, go for it! Just trying to explain my though process...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 22:10:38
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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Nevelon... you're basically saying "Homebrew can't give the army anything it doesn't already have, or even put anything it does have on a different chassis."
The Avenger Bolt Cannon is not only official, it's officially part of the Sisters army. The Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support choice for us. So why not use it elsewhere?
AP3 bolters stretches back all the way to the original Apocalypse release, anyway. Those and Inferno Guns (the apocalypse flamer) are both high-Strength AP3 versions of our standard weapons.
In any case, I think making the Avenger Bolt Cannon more widespread as a weapon is much fluffier and more thematic than just giving us plasma guns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 22:32:46
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Disguised Speculo
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Melta missiles: 12"-36" S:8 AP:1 Heavy 1D6, Armourbane: 15 points
Anyone else thing that d6 S8 AP1 armourbane shots is way too over the top? Thats enough firepower to kill numerous land raiders per turn, if it were able to split the shots
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 22:42:20
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Furyou Miko wrote:Nevelon... you're basically saying "Homebrew can't give the army anything it doesn't already have, or even put anything it does have on a different chassis."
The Avenger Bolt Cannon is not only official, it's officially part of the Sisters army. The Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support choice for us. So why not use it elsewhere?
AP3 bolters stretches back all the way to the original Apocalypse release, anyway. Those and Inferno Guns (the apocalypse flamer) are both high-Strength AP3 versions of our standard weapons.
In any case, I think making the Avenger Bolt Cannon more widespread as a weapon is much fluffier and more thematic than just giving us plasma guns.
Sums it up nicer than I could say it.
The idea was using something we have (Avenger Bolt Cannon), something that's fluffy (again, BOLT Cannon) and something we can say was improvised in the heat of battle (someone took a broken tank, a crashed Avenger and went A-Team on it and made something AWESOME to fight back against Traitor Marines or something).
Also anyone who talks about the Holy Trinity and then mentions giving Sisters plasma deserves to be flogged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 22:53:47
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Furyou Miko wrote:Nevelon... you're basically saying "Homebrew can't give the army anything it doesn't already have, or even put anything it does have on a different chassis."
The Avenger Bolt Cannon is not only official, it's officially part of the Sisters army. The Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support choice for us. So why not use it elsewhere?
AP3 bolters stretches back all the way to the original Apocalypse release, anyway. Those and Inferno Guns (the apocalypse flamer) are both high-Strength AP3 versions of our standard weapons.
In any case, I think making the Avenger Bolt Cannon more widespread as a weapon is much fluffier and more thematic than just giving us plasma guns.
I probably wasn't as clear as I'd like. The plasma comment was a little uncalled for on my part, an exaggeration to stress my point.
I'm more comfortable taking common pieces and mixing and matching into something new, as long as it fits the fluff and theme. Things like the predator chassis are not uncommon in the imperium, giving it to the SoB is not a big deal. But I would want to see it loaded with core weapons. Don't change up too many things at one time. To me, the ABC is not a core weapon of the SoB. It is a bolter in name only. While FW may be official, I tend to view them as a collection of exceptions. I prefer to take the pulse of an army from the core codex. You can spice it up with FW, but take your cues from the main book.
Apoc AP3 bolters are fine, but I didn't think we were working on that scale in this thread. When I think of bolters, AP3 is not what comes to mind. At least not on a normal 40k scale.
I could ramble on more, but I don't know if it would clear up what I'm thinking, so I'll stop for now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 22:54:02
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Hallowed Canoness
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Dakkamite wrote:Melta missiles: 12"-36" S:8 AP:1 Heavy 1D6, Armourbane: 15 points
Anyone else thing that d6 S8 AP1 armourbane shots is way too over the top? Thats enough firepower to kill numerous land raiders per turn, if it were able to split the shots
You do realise that they're just slapping Armourbane and reducing the range from the regular Exorcist missile launcher, right? It already fires d6 S8 AP1 shots at 48", BS4.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 23:05:26
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Nevelon wrote:I probably wasn't as clear as I'd like. The plasma comment was a little uncalled for on my part, an exaggeration to stress my point.
I'm more comfortable taking common pieces and mixing and matching into something new, as long as it fits the fluff and theme. Things like the predator chassis are not uncommon in the imperium, giving it to the SoB is not a big deal. But I would want to see it loaded with core weapons. Don't change up too many things at one time. To me, the ABC is not a core weapon of the SoB. It is a bolter in name only. While FW may be official, I tend to view them as a collection of exceptions. I prefer to take the pulse of an army from the core codex. You can spice it up with FW, but take your cues from the main book.
Apoc AP3 bolters are fine, but I didn't think we were working on that scale in this thread. When I think of bolters, AP3 is not what comes to mind. At least not on a normal 40k scale.
I could ramble on more, but I don't know if it would clear up what I'm thinking, so I'll stop for now
And what defines a "core" weapon? We have a lot of variety in just the Imperium and frankly I'd rather see a tank that actually "feels" like a tank than a Predator with a Heavy Bolter turret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 23:39:04
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Furyou Miko wrote: Dakkamite wrote:Melta missiles: 12"-36" S:8 AP:1 Heavy 1D6, Armourbane: 15 points
Anyone else thing that d6 S8 AP1 armourbane shots is way too over the top? Thats enough firepower to kill numerous land raiders per turn, if it were able to split the shots
You do realise that they're just slapping Armourbane and reducing the range from the regular Exorcist missile launcher, right? It already fires d6 S8 AP1 shots at 48", BS4.
Reducing the range and adding a minimum range -- the melta missiles don't arm until 12", so the Exorcist is effectively disarmed at short range.
That said, they are pretty fricking terrifying in that 12"-36" range band, so I'm willing to listen to arguments that they're OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/10 23:46:02
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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ClockworkZion wrote:
And what defines a "core" weapon? We have a lot of variety in just the Imperium and frankly I'd rather see a tank that actually "feels" like a tank than a Predator with a Heavy Bolter turret.
For sisters it's fairly simple: the holy trinity. Flamers, melta, and bolters.
I'll agree that TLHB does not make for a primary armament and that something heftier is needed. My issue here is that the ABC doesn't feel like a bolter, while the AMB does. Put a pair of them In the turret for TL, and I'd be fine. And not out of scale for what tanks pack. The baal pred has TL assault cannons, which is a very similar load.
The giant melta gun on the pred infurnus is not found on any SoB stuff, but I'd have no problems with you having it. It fits the flavor of your army. Same with just about any flame weapon you care to name. It is almost entirely subjective argument. What feels out of character to me might be your bread and butter. YMMV and all that.
We can agree to disagree on what feels right, as long as the heretics get burnt in the end!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/11 02:01:41
Subject: Tank Heaven For Little Girls: Sororitas Predators, Oriflamme Scout Tanks, & Exorcist Ammo Options
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Preacher of the Emperor
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No! This is the Imperium of Man, we must resolve even the most minor arguments by prolonged shouting followed by gruesome violence!
(Or: this is the internet, we must trade posts IN ANGRY BLOCK CAPS back and forth repeating our points over and over as our brain cells slowly die).
Alternatively:
LAWHAMMER 40,000: In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only BINDING ARBITRATION.
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