Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**warboss**

cincydooley wrote:
biggusdoggus wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
If anyone picked up an extra queen or other big model, lemme know. I'm regretting not....

the pledge manager is still open should you wish to top up and add those models in.

It is?!?

You don't happen to have the link, do you?

Apparently prodos will stop taking money at 2 year old KS prices SOONtm?

**CptJake**

cincydooley wrote:
biggusdoggus wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
If anyone picked up an extra queen or other big model, lemme know. I'm regretting not....

the pledge manager is still open should you wish to top up and add those models in.

It is?!?

You don't happen to have the link, do you?

It is in one of the KS updates.

**biggusdoggus**

The Prodos pledge calculator is at ...

calc.prodos.co.uk

**Ruglud**

Prodos Games Ltd says:

Morning all, here are a few answers to frequently asked questions from yesterday:

1. The Board game is in production as we speak, we should have 1st copies by Monday 25th, to go to FOX as a product reference. We have been assured that at that stage there is no "delay" or need for any approval, however the product must be examined and stored as a master copy. Any further changes to the product (if needed) will be done as a running change. For clarification : A running change is an alteration made to a toy in the middle of its production run, that can result in two distinct (in some way, often quite minor) toys, which are considered the "same toy" by the manufacturer, carrying the same wave identifier and (usually) the same internal product code.

2. The official, and confirmed release date of the board game is the 30th June (retail) AND 22th of June for KS backers. The KS release is subject to change (an EARLIER date may be possible if we can make point 3 below happen) and is only dependent on external company manufacturing capabilities. As always we will keep you updated. Most KS backers, depending on their location and/or delays with customs, should have their game before it hits and shop shelves.

3. We are trying to arrange with manufacturing and logistics if at all possible to have at least 50 copies for UK Games Expo, if this happens, collection will be available for those backers who would like to pick up their copy at the UK Games Expo, more info to follow.
4. Under the terms and conditions of the contract we are obligated to release the KS V1 boardgame (High quality resin miniatures) to retail. The plastic injection models are in the approval pipeline and we are aiming to have it approved in 4 to 6 months. (For clarification: resin to plastic changeover cannot be classified as a running change due to usage of different material for manufacturing and quality "degradation" of the product).

5. Add-ons: The Models are approved, and we are going to start working on Monday to get the packaging and cards green-lit as well. We have been assured that it won't be long process as the RULES (written material) for add-on models were approved with Main rulebook.

6. Customs: the Invoice for customs will reflect the "manufacturing" cost, as promised during the KS and not the retail cost. This may affect non-EU and non-USA backers.

7. USA backers: The very first copies of the game will be shipped to our USA dispatch centre, to reduce any delivery downtime, however, I won't be hiding the fact that your collogues in Europe may get the game few days or weeks before your copy reach your doorsteps. I can promises that we will do the best we can to reduce the downtime.

8. Also, for clarification: we have number of shops participating in the KS as well (a shop customers collective pledge), thus, in some cases you may see the product on the shelves before it reaches you. Please keep it calm, as we have promised the priority are backers.

9. Pledge manager changes and address update. By Friday we'll have an update for you with instruction how to do changes in the PM, postal address update and locking the PM. PLEASE make sure that you have done final alternations to your pledge, including the updated postal address by 31st of May. IT will affect the shipping date if the pledge manager is not locked. Please do not send emails to request that we update your postal address as we don't have capacity and capability to do it manually. All information will be available in a forthcoming update.

Jarek Ever
We will unlock onc more time the PM before we ship add-ons (we will let you to modify once again). Locking it at this stage is needed to make sure that your address is correct as we cannot afford to ship 6kg parcel on our cost once again just because we have an old address in the PM.

Jarek Ever
more info about "handling" this will be provided with next KS update (however we don't want anyone to be rammed on the UK games Expo entrance just because we have very limited number of board games available with us and a rule : 1st come 1st served. Give us some time, maybe we can get more than 50 pieces by the show. ..

**Pacific**

Awesome.. I was already planning on going to the UK Games Expo, fingers crossed !

**gunslingerpro**

Nice to see things going full steam ahead. And I may actually get to pick up a resin boxset it seems!

**eddieazrael**

Apologies for jumping in here several years too late, but is there any way of jumping on board now to get the kickstarter content and extras (short of through eBay) or am I stuck waiting for retail?

**angelofvengeance**

eddieazrael wrote:
Apologies for jumping in here several years too late, but is there any way of jumping on board now to get the kickstarter content and extras (short of through eBay) or am I stuck waiting for retail?

Hmm unless someone's selling their pledge, then you're way too late. Sorry.

**CptJake**

eddieazrael wrote:
Apologies for jumping in here several years too late, but is there any way of jumping on board now to get the kickstarter content and extras (short of through eBay) or am I stuck waiting for retail?

You could try the Prodos forums to see if someone was willing to sell their pledge: http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewforum.php?f=46&sid=cda0fa4860994f6a50318951ed2abfda

**Todosi**

It is available for pre order.

From Facebook:

Hello and good day!
This week we have received the green light to start production of the Aliens vs Predator™: The Hunt Begins board game. The game is available for Pre-order on the Prodos Games webshop shop.prodosgames.com and will be dispatched on June 30th 2015.
AvP™: The Hunt Begins includes:
Models: - 10 Infant Aliens - 5 Stalker Aliens - 3 Predators - 5 Colonial Marines
Dice: 3 D20 Dice
Cards: - 2 Alien Stat Cards - 3 Predator Stat Cards - 5 Colonial Marine Stat Card - 20 Environmental Cards - 20 Mission Cards
- 60 Strategy Cards (20 for each Faction)
Board game Tiles: - 32 Straight Corridors - 8 Crossroads - 8 T-Shape - 8 L-Shape - 10 Dead-end - 8 Air Vent Tiles - 7 Rooms (Lab, Escape Capsule, Armoury, Bridge, Hibernation Room, Engine Room and Predator Pod)
Other Peripherals: - 1 Flame/Acid Spit Template - 151 Wound, Ping!, Activated, Sentry, Hide and Objective Tokens - 20 Door Pieces
... a lot, almost 6 kg (13 lbs) of goodies!

**JohnHwangDD**

Todosi wrote:
It is available for pre order.

From Facebook:

Hello and good day!
This week we have received the green light to start production of the Aliens vs Predator™: The Hunt Begins board game. The game is available for Pre-order on the Prodos Games webshop shop.prodosgames.com and will be dispatched on June 30th 2015.

... a lot, almost 6 kg (13 lbs) of goodies!

5 weeks to dispatch? That seems awfully quick if "dispatch" = shipping something out the door. Is the factory shipping, or is Prodos shipping?

**Pacific**

Bearing in mind the product is meant to be being sent to KS backers the week before, so presumably they must think they will have the stock ready by that point.

**eddieazrael**

Thanks for advice guys...I popped into my FLGS on the way home today and pre-ordered a retail copy. Anyone be able to guess/advise if it'll come with resin or platic minis?

**CptJake**

All the initial release copies are resin. The plastic containing version counts as another product SKU and has not made it through approval yet.

**biggusdoggus**

eddieazrael wrote:
Thanks for advice guys...I popped into my FLGS on the way home today and pre-ordered a retail copy. Anyone be able to guess/advise if it'll come with resin or platic minis?

They are estimated (by them) to be as much as 6 months away from getting final approval on the plastics, and in the meantime, retail boxes will contain resin. So it's likely you'll get that.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I'm waiting for the plastics. Next year, I'll be able to see how well the Colonial Marines can handle Techcom while the predator dukes it out with aliens and terminators.

Someone needs to make a Robocop mini stat.

**JohnHwangDD**

Robocop? Against Xenos and Preds, I'll take like mass-production ED-209s.

**eddieazrael**

I've been trying to wade through this thread (managed about 30 pages) but most of it is about Prodos delivering (or not) on the kickstarter. Could I bother you guys for some queries on the game itself?

Is the wargame going to be a standalone product?

Will the boardgame benefit from extra minis (or will they only be of use as part of expansions, or are they intended for the wargame?)

Anyone actually played the boardgame (at a demo, or a beta test?) - is it very much like spacehulk? (Not a bad thing IMHO)

Oh...and as a return, I'll confirm that I saw the pre-order options for a retailer - only the boardgame was currently available for pre-order, but lots of different minis were listed as "not yet available to order" - cloaked preds, facehuggers, marines, etc etc etc. No details on price except for the base game.

**CptJake**

Allegedly we'll get stats for the other figures for board game use. They will also be usable in the wargame. The wargame should be a rulebook, and you'll buy the figures you want to use for it (so yes, it is a stand alone product).

You can PM me your email address and I can send you the PDF of the draft boardgame rules if you like (though I have no idea how much they have/will change before we see the set actually included in the game.)

**biggusdoggus**

the draft rules are also available in the files section of the AvP Wargamer facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/729606857152569

**eddieazrael**

Thanks for that guys...rules look fun, and reasonably clear for beta - not many questions left (apart from can you shoot in CC :-) ). Interested to see how some of the add-on minis tie in - I assume things like the Predator Berserker are for use in making custom Heros, while the cloaked Preds could be used instead on pings? Or are most of the add-ons meant primarily for the wargame?

**biggusdoggus**

my understanding is that all the add-on models will be usable in the boardgame, and they all have stat lines in the boardgame rulebook (don't quote me on that!) I doubt there are any standard scenarios that use them, but it will be simple to custom build a scenario which does. No need to make custom heroes therefore, though no doubt you could. The cloaked pred models will be used to depict exactly what they say on the tin - so yeah, pings (not read the rules recently, so I'm assuming your terminology is correct)

The add-ons will of course come into their own for the wargame.

**CptJake**

Last Prodos Update (16 May) wrote:Pledge manager changes and address update. By Friday we'll have an update for you with instruction how to do changes in the PM, postal address update and locking the PM. PLEASE make sure that you have done final alternations to your pledge, including the updated postal address by 31st of May. IT will affect the shipping date if the pledge manager is not locked. Please do not send emails to request that we update your postal address as we don't have capacity and capability to do it manually.

Did I miss that Friday update?

I am moving to another state next week. I will need to update the shipping address.

**biggusdoggus**

you did miss it, but don't get too excited .....

Jim Vidlak Jr
Yesterday at 15:45 · Edited
Hey Guys here is your Friday update:
There is nothing new to report right now, we are still working hard behind the scenes to get ready to start shipping. Everything is off at the printers and moving forward.
Don’t forget that we will be at UK Games Expo next weekend and will be demoing AvP. Currently we have no new information on how to, or whether you can, pick up your copy of AvP at the Games Expo yet. We will announce any updates on this as soon as we know.

reading between the lines, I'd say they don't stand a cat in hell's chance of delivering to backers at the UK Expo, and nor will they have the boardgame for demo. As usual their guestimates of how long things take are wildly optimistic.

**CptJake**

How did they put that out? The one I quoted I got as a KS Message. I checked KS before I posted that, and that was the last message from Prodos in my messages.

Was there more, giving the promised instructions?

Thanks.

**biggusdoggus**

'tis on Facebook, and no, they haven't provided any instructions.

**eddieazrael**

Did the 'occasionally mentioned' 3D terrain ever surface, or did it die a silent death/get shuffled off to 'Soon....ish' wave X territory?

**biggusdoggus**

we've not been told it won't show up in wave 2, though equally they are yet to show us their final version of it.

**Pacific**

Wasn't it dismissed as being infeasible ? They had tried some half-size walls (i.e. they stopped at about waist-height of the miniature)

disclaimer: I may be thinking of a different KS.

**biggusdoggus**

no you're not, there certainly were issues with the early design. Their second attempt was almost flat, with walls that were no more than knee high. Backers complained, and they said they were still looking at changing it, at one point declared that'd found a solution and would show us, but then never did.