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war wrote:
I wonder how a full melta list would work out. Basically go with the 3 x dominion (4 melta, 1 combi-melta) in immos (HF or MM), at least 3 x BSS with 2x melta and a combi melta in immos (probably MM on them). Sprinkle in exorcists whenever possible and some random character.

In truth the only thing it would have trouble with would be against hords. Drag along a couple squads of arco-flags and that problem is likely solved.


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BSS with melta is kinda nice because you have what amounts to the twin-linked little squads that the doms use to be. Its not quite the same thing, but its nice to also re-roll those 1's to wound

I do this but my army is all on foot (I have to move constantly to make it to objectives in time which Is why I don't take multi melta's if I gotta move and shoot its all gonna be assault or rapid fire weapons for me since I can't assault worth a damn anyway) so I have even more squads with meltas, I also occasionally have trouble with hordes(looking at you genestealers) if I roll my bolters badly or don't have enough sisters in position to shoot the forward elements of my opponents army. But most of the time they just get shot to pieces by concentric rings of bolter fire.

Although have melta guns everywhere is very nice I have to say. Sometimes I occasionally wish I had flamers for those times I get assaulted byt tyranids and their ilk so I can overwatch and watch them bathe in promethium but I sadly don't have any flamer models)

(Referencing the I can't assault worth a damn I never assault with sisters every time I have it always been bad for me so I was heistant but thought I could pull it off (my bad), I had a squad of sisters with 7 left and shot some genestealers to pieces, assaulted the brood lord (hah) I didn't make any wounds on him and then he got 1 wound on me, I failed my leadership test and the initiative test and got run down, it was glouriously hilarious for both my and my opponent and told him that's why I don't assault with sisters.)

I've only tried assaulting with a souped-up Canoness in a Command squad. It's OK but not great.

 MWHistorian wrote:

dadakkaest wrote:
Played an escalation game with my sisters. Threw 3 penitent engines with prescience at a lord of skulls and dropped it to 2 hull points in one round of CC before the flying daemon prince swooped in and prevented my remaining engine from finishing him off. Good times.

Hey, more details! What else?

Armies were 1999+1

AS:
2 rhinos of battle sisters w maul priest. HF, Melta, Combi-flamer. Jacobus in one of these.
1 HF immolator with 5 battle sisters, HF,melta,combi-flamer, naked priest
Exorcist
Exorcist
3 penitent engines
2 dominion squads in MM immolator, 3 melta/flamer
8 or 9 Seraphim w 2 twin hand flamers, vet ss with plasma pistol.
Coteaz
Hereticus inquisitor in power armor w melta pistol, psyker.

Chaos
Lord of skulls
Bloodthirster
Flying Daemon Prince
bloodletters, lots.

Emperor's will mission.
Rolled football field deployment, chaos got first turn and sisters failed to sieze with coteaz' 2d6.

Skully moves up the center, flies up swooping daemon prince and bloodthirster behind cover midfield on right and left board edges. bloodletters stay with objective. Skully 10" template shooting at my gets a weapon destroyed on one exorcist, shield of faith save on the other, roll random for weapon destroyed and get the stormbolter. lol.

Sisters' turn,
Coteaz fails to prescience his exorcist with an 11
Rhinos move up right board edge with penitent engines in center and exorcists left of center.
hereticus inquisitor moves up and succeeds to prescience penitent engines.
Penitent engines move up.
Exorcists shoot at bloodthirster in cover and do a whopping 2 wounds.
No line of sight on right for daemon prince. and out of range for meltas in rhinos on lord of skulls.
Penitent engines roll 11 to charge lord of skulls and with all those swings at str 10 ap1 and reroll get 4 or 5 explode results (forget which, a lot of d3's). LoS is reduced to 2 hp.
LoS swings back and 2 engines explode.

Chaos turn, bloodthirster charges exorcist and destroys it. daemon prince charges penitent engine remaining and gets it to explode before swinging. rolls for it will not die restore a hp on LoS and on bloodthirster.

sisters turn 2,

Reserves arrive, one Dominion squad on right board edge, near my other rhino convoy. no seraphim or second dom.

Rhinos move into position for flamey goodness, sisters jump out and pop faith/meltagun/bolter down the daemon prince. twin linked multi melta on immolator misses skully..

Coteaz uses misfortune on bloodthirster and prescience on exorcist which then gets off a whopping one shot. which wounds.

chaos turn 3,

Skully's massive flame template weapon wipes 9 members of jacobus' squad leaving him alone, does a hull point on a rhino, 2/5 of the dominions. Ow.

Had to stop the game there. Probably would have melta'd down skully next turn, as I still had the other 2 sisters' squads with a melta apiece and the mm immo even if the dominions didn't make it on the right board edge. And maybe stood a chance to shoot down bloodthirster with the Seraphim's deep strike + misfortune before it ate Coteaz. If the dice favored, that is.

Sounds like an epic battle. I'd love to see PE's whooping up on things more.

I've had fairly decent luck with my sisters during assault. I had a 15 sister squad assault five terminators. It took them three rounds but eventually beat them to death with their bolters.

Assaulting a Necron warrior squad didn't turn out so good though. :(

My point is, if you outnumber them or pick your targets really well, they can assault if you need them to.

Blob with warlord jacobus and maul priest is stronger than people expect. though the only time I've had that unit charged by terminators it was the minotaurs' special characters with a unit of termies out of a caestus assault ram, the sisters managed to survive for a round with their 5+ reroll save, lol.

This is the first time I've used the P engines, since it's the first time all three have been assembled in a few years, and for the purposes of escalation super heavy beatsticks, they performed well. people generally really, really want those exorcists dead once they see what they can do. So the engines have some wiggle room at least to try and get into assault.

dadakkaest wrote:
Skully 10" template shooting at my gets a weapon destroyed on one exorcist, shield of faith save on the other, roll random for weapon destroyed and get the stormbolter.

Very Nice report to read through!
Exorcists have a storm Bolter? huh?


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dadakkaest wrote:
Reserves arrive, one Dominion squad on right board edge, near my other rhino convoy. no seraphim or second dom.
Coteaz uses misfortune on bloodthirster and prescience on exorcist which then gets off a whopping one shot. which wounds.

Missing the 3+ Reserves twice and One-shot Exorcist sounds just like most of my games. LoL. >.<


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 BlackTalos wrote:
Exorcists have a storm Bolter? huh?

Vehicle Equipment list, my bad... Gotta spend those 5 points myself, HATE the weapon destroyed result atm...

I always put storm bolters on my excorcist just for such occasions.

The New repentias are nice models..

EyeOfDC wrote:
The New repentias are nice models..

New Repentia models?

 Ovion wrote:

EyeOfDC wrote:
The New repentias are nice models..

New Repentia models?

Please expand, i want to know! =P

So, i have a feeling Army lists don't fit here...
I made one in the correct forum:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/571477.page#6400288

But would like advice on tactics/ Army build.

I know you al advised against the Single Repentia squad, but i think i can make it work in synergy as counter-chargers (so mainly for CC armies)
Against Shooty armies, i'd play them with LoS blocks to get across the board etc.

What are thoughts/ideas?
Thx

Sorry for the delay in this, it was suddenly xmas and all the palaver that goes with that.

Here's my breakdown of my recent tournament (21/12/2/2013) where I got a trouncing:

'Twisted Doubles' - 900 pts per player, 3 doubles matches in a day, and the twist is that each round your partner is randomly selected.

I was running the following:

HQ - Jacobus

Troops:
9 girl BBS, F/HF in a Rhino with Loud Hailer - Jaco was in this squad
BSS - F/HF - MM Immo, Loud Hailer, , Priest with Maul (for Fearless mostly)

Fast
Doms -
6 girls
Vet Superior
4 x melta
Simulacrum Imperialis
Rhino
Loud Hailer

Heavy:
2 x Exorcists

Game 1:
The Scouring (6 objectives with random values) with Dawn of War Set up (Normal)
I was paired with an Eldar player, can't tell you exactly what he was running as not too smart on the Eldar dex. But I know he had Farseer, Singing Spear dudes, 2 troop choices, Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers(?)

We were up against Nid and Demons.Nids player had 2 Tervagons (the one's that spawn new squads of little gribblies), a flying MC of somekind which was his HQ, some dudes who didn;'t need LoS to shoot you.

They had the advantage in terms of the worth of the objectives on their side and they had turn 1. Night fighting was a go-go, so I suggested we hold back turn one, and let them get close, so we deployed defensively and then stole the initiative, which we really hadn’t planned for. I scouted my melta doms up and took a couple of wounds off a tervagon. Who got eaten on their turn, one of my MM immos got puppet mastered and weapon destroyed an Exorcist. I did try to pressure one flank and eventually killed a tervgon, but not before it had dropped off another two troop choices for the nids and then rolled the double to stop it getting more. The Edlar were getting picked apart by a Flying nid and the majority of the daemons. It was pretty bruatal all in all.

Game 2
Started looking better I was paired with a GK player who has running lots of termies and a stormraven, and we were against guard and C:SM Sally flavour. This was a really good and fun game, the Sisters carried our team for pretty much the entire game. Highlights were the SM player being over confident about winning an assault against his HQ and some assault marines (they jumped out of a rhino and I assaulted them next turn) - I gave re-rolls on armour with Jaco , we managed to kill the last 1 or 2 assault marines that were still there after we’d flamed and pistoled them in our shooting phase. I then declined with my Superior and smashed with Jaco for AP 2 (not double strength), got 2 wounds through his invul and then did the same the following turn and killed his HQ. Sadly Jaco and the remains of his squad were eventually pushed off the entral object and I couldn’t get another troop there before the end of the game. Exorcists were busy getting rid of AA for when the stormraven came – guard had 2 flakk tank things and SM had a stalker. Outflanked my doms and then failed to pop an Chimera that wasn’t even in cover…they eventually got mushed by the vets inside. GK didn’t do much through the game as it was hammer and anvil (mission was big guns) and he walked them across the table, and his SR didn’t come in until turn 4…We lost them game as we only had one objective (held by an exorcist) our second I put in the middle of the table and they pushed us off it and help both of theirs.

Final game was diagonal set up, purge the alien. I was paired with Chaos Marines, my teammate had given up at this point and we were against double Eldar…I think we only got 3 turns in before we were tabled.

So yeah, I'm now a proud owner of a wooden spoon.

Xmas has been kinder to me I’m glad to say. I’ve had a few games with my brother, and managed to table his CSM by turn 2 in one game…that was a shocker.

D

Had a good game against the Grey Knights using the list posted earlier

We rolled Purge the Alien - bad news for me as I had 20 units to his 10

He had couple of Interceptor Squads
lots of tooled up Terminator squads - three I think
10 Deathcult Assassin in a Stromraven I think with his Inquisitor
Vinidcare Assassin
Heavy weapons squad

Game began well - he hid his on table unit - very worried about my Exorcists but put the Vindicare nearby behind a building.

Turn 1
I moved a sisters squad up by Rhino, jumped out and vaped his Vinidcare which was fun, raced my dominions and a sister squad across the board towards his hidden units - probably should have held back but hey.
He teleported a Inteceptor squad over and avenged the Vinidacre

Turn 2
Moved the strike units forward and fired some snap shots at the marines - nothing done
My Valkyrie arrived and fired some shots at the hiding GK Marines
Moved some more Sister to do deal with the Intereceptors - killed a couple but not enough
All his reserves came in
Interceptors killed half the servitors and the Priest
He teleported a terminator squad in and mishaped - back into reserve, 2nd Terminator squad came in fine and blew up a exorcist.
Stromraven arrived and mindstrike missiled Corteaz which was not nice as he took 2 wounds just being hit - it fired at the Valkyrie and bounded off
Hv weapons Marines took out the Cannoness Immolator after the Interceptor squad had failed - they had teleported behind it. However they also stunned it which meant no firing from her or her 3 melta dominions next turn :(

Turn 3
Two huge firefights errupted - I killed some interceptors in the centre -- leaving one alive and shot down three Terminators, most of my multimeltas - missed :( 3 Exorcist missiles bounced off the terminators
He responded and pretty much won it that turn
last mindstrikes killed Corteaz, although his servitor ignored 6 hits behind the Ageis - very amusing
Lost another exorcist, and the Inerceptors shot down the Sisters squad defending the ageis, the terminators charged the ther nearby squad and although loosing one of the two to overwatch killed the rest of the unit.
Death Cult Assassins charged two sisters squads and slaughtered both - lossing a couple in overwatch

Turn 4 - how many 5 up saves can you make
Game lost but hoped to do some serious killing with what I had left - but nope - the dice hated me and loved him this turn as I killed 4 models
Fired a TL Multi melta, meltagun, 3 Exorcist missiles and 2 stormbolters at a teminator - nothing
Fired a TL MM, 4 melta guns (one the cannoness) and some bolter fire at 3 other terminators - killed one
Fired a Heavy flamer and 1 flamer at Death cultists - killed 3 after something like 8 wounds, on a 5+ save
Fired some other stuff all misssed or bounced off...................
He moped up in his turn and we called it

Lost something like 15 - 2 in VP

Much fun - although the last turn got pretty frustrating
Lots to think on - got to finally use my Sisters painted Vlak but it was not actually much good (as I had been told ),
Corteaz did not do anything just died to missiles - good placement by him and wrong army facing I think
Must remember Krak Grenades
Stunning transports is very annoying.

Crossposted here, since most of you guys are heavier AS players

I'm returning to the hobby after an extremely long absence. I'm essentially re-learning everything and working on tactics now. I dug out my old SoB army I had collected years ago and started getting them ready - want something different to play. List the models I have:

26 sisters w/ bolters
3 sisters w/ meltas
1 sister w/ flamer
2 sisters w/ standards + bolters
2 sisters with bolter + swords (are these superiors?)
1 canoness (a small piece is missing - between her forearm and icon she holds, so I converted her to holding a baner in a pissed off fashion) and combi melta/bolter IIRC
11 seraphim w/ pistols
3 heavy metlas
1 heavy bolter
1 heavy flamer
1 Immolator (old school one)
1 Saint Celestine, as soon as I finish putting her together w/ the wings conversion
1 priest - I think. Mohawk, robes - club, shotgun in one hand?
1 creepy cherub looking thing holding books. Might be unrelated, BA maybe?

I only have the single Immolator and no other tanks. I now have the AS codex ebook (which is a PITA to flip through honestly).

Now tactics wise, I'm hearing lots of "get them to the fight" style of play using the transports. What else should a newer player focus on, aside from just practicing the basics of positioning over and over

Based on what you have, I would work out a foot list.

You are in dire need of some vehicles to do anything else.

Basically, Celestine, a big blob of sisters for holding center and then a bunch of support units.

Things you'll want to pick up:
- Either more Heavy Bolters for Rets or get some exorcists
- More Immolators or maybe Penitent Engines (it pains me to say this, but might be cheaper than going to mech)
- 4 more Priests and a Jacobus.

the Cherub is good for an objective marker but doesn't have a use in this list right now.

Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

I'd get at least 2 exorcists and more rhinos/immolaters.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'd get at least 2 exorcists and more rhinos/immolaters.

Yeah, it really depends on whether you want to stay foot or go mech.

I recommend mixed mech at the least.

My 'wish-list' for you would be:
2 Exorcists
Bastion or Firestorm Redoubt
4-6 Immolators
4 Priests
Jacobus
More meltas, flamers, and Heavy Bolters

You could certainly stay foot and do it quite differently though.

Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

 pretre wrote:
Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

Trying to get that, but still pretty average, could you expand? or PM if it doesn't fit here?

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm selling a bunch: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/504464.page


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 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Things to practice?
- The 12-24" dance. Staying in your rapid fire range and out of their assault range.

Trying to get that, but still pretty average, could you expand? or PM if it doesn't fit here?

Basically the idea is to stay close to the enemy, where we excel without getting assaulted. So you need to be able to maintain your ranges (23.75 and 11.75 is a nice place to be).

Brother Michael wrote:
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.

Don't even look on GreedBay, they often Bid at higher than retail price (in the UK anyway...) but looking at "entire armies" there can be worthwhile. Personally got about £200 army for £80, so unless a set as such comes up, don't bother.

Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...


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 pretre wrote:
So you need to be able to maintain your ranges (23.75 and 11.75 is a nice place to be).

Yeah i get that, but 11.75 means you most certainly get charged next turn =P
Unless you meant moving up to that in your phase to get rapid fire & flamers in before they do?

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Yeah i get that, but 11.75 means you most certainly get charged next turn =P
Unless you meant moving up to that in your phase to get rapid fire & flamers in before they do?

Well, the corollary is 'she who bails, fails'. I.e. Never get out of your transport. If you do, you need to kill whatever is going to charge you. Sisters are not an easy army to play, I'll give you that.

Of course, this changed a lot with the Priest-Blob. Now you want to be in assault for as much of the game as possible with that unit.

My tactic is to measure about 18.5 so that they can't charge you but your next turn is moved up to 6-7" and you can Flame them quite nicely...


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Oh and i'm playing "non-meched" sisters =O

all 3 troop units without transports ">.>


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 pretre wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Someone's seen some first-hand, if they are to be believed.... pretty big metal stock to exhaust though...

 BlackTalos wrote:

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 pretre wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Also: GW is trying to sell all their metal AS stock so that they can move on to plastic sisters (Rumor: didn't get it from me) so as much as i'd recommend: Go buy some now (to use up stock). With enough patience they might come out... Probably not tomorrow though...

HA! Good one. If only I hadn't heard the same thing for the last 10 years. lol

Someone's seen some first-hand, if they are to be believed.... pretty big metal stock to exhaust though...

I would expect that GW holds a small stock of metal figures and just produces them as necessary. Forgive me for doubting your source but as Pretre says, we've heard all of this before.

We live in hope though

Brother Michael wrote:

ncshooter426 wrote:
Thanks for the info gents! On a side note - is there anywhere (other than GW directly) to pick up AS stuff? I scoured greedbay but didn't find much pickins'

There are three problems with buying sisters:
first of all: new models are emperor-damned expensive.
secondly: second-hand sisters aren't readily available, unless you either want to buy whole armies or pay for the shipping of individual models.
thirdly: there are as good as no alternative models for sisters, as the 'space warrior nun' concept is way too specific for most companies. You might find one or two, but no army-building stuff.

Sisters are simply really expensive to play unless you have a friend who just happens to want to get rid of his...

Sadly, when I've found Sisters unless you're buying in bulk (see - a whole army), it's either much the same price or MORE than buying new from Games Workshop. O-o

THOUGH, if someone (or a group of someones) wanted to get together say... £25,000 (£19,000 for the Haptic Pen, £1000 for the various hardware upgrades and equipment I need and about £5000 to live on for the 6-12 months it'd take to do the work) I'd have enough money to purchase the tools that would let me sculpt, print and cast an army of something suitable for counts-as.

That's not a bad deal tbh.
92 Items designed, compiled into sprues, printed to masters and molds made at roughly £272 each (58 Weapons and pieces of Gear, 24 Infantry models, 6 Vehicles and 4 vehicle upgrades.)
Then whoever paid would get an armies worth of models, then there'd be sensibly priced models available!

(I somehow doubt it'll happen, but PM me if you're crazy enough to do it. It'll likely be a stretch goal on my Kickstarter too if no ones done it before I get it set up.)

It is unsafe to play foot sisters in my area, heldrakes end them and they have poor anti - air. I can get by with mech sisters pretty well, though. ymmv.

Even if you aren't doing the priest powerblob, take jacobus and as many priests as you have troops. 1 per immolator with 2 specials and a combi does the trick nicely. Fearless if almost essential for 5 power armored t3 models!

As was said earlier, your mantra for mech sisters is "she who bails fails." Stay in that immolator until you HAVE to get out. Know that when you do get out, it is very unlikely that you will survive another turn.

Foot sisters are actually better against helldrakes than foot marines are. 6++ and all.

I've been running roughly this for the passed few games. Been working out.

Coatez
Ordo Hereticus, Liber word-I-can't-spell-right-now
Cannoness, melta pistol

5DCA, 2 Priests W/ P. Maul, 2 Crusaders, LRC

5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO
5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO
5 BSS, Combi Plasma, Flamer, Heavy flamer, MM IMMO

5 Doms, Combi flamer, 4X Melta, Repressor
5 Doms, Combi flamer, 4X Melta, Repressor

Exorcist, SB
Exoricst, SB
Avenger (ASSEMBLE) strike fighter (A finer aircraft was never invented in my opinion)

The alternates are dropping some stuff to get a big horde of foot sisters with Coatz and Uriah so they can form a buddy cop movie together
or bring 12 henchmen with basic weapons and a few flamers to represent old school Redemptionists on foot so I can look like the old Chapter approved codex. Problem with that one is that Uriah is wasted in the henchmen squad so I drop him for a Cannoness


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The best part about the above list is the 2 scouting Repressors (AV 13) filled with Death and a scouting Land raider (AV 14) filled with a different, more personal kind of Death. The kind of death that gets to know you first.

It usually maxes out on target saturation so people don't know what to hit. The LRC usually lives and is able to smash anything it gets to. Use the Repressor for cover and they don't get shot back.

 Celtic Strike wrote:

.... with Coteaz and Uriah so they can form a buddy cop movie together....

One is a crazy, hateful, murderous old man with a shotgun. The other is a crazy, hateful, murderous old man with... some kind of fething eagle thing. Together, they fight crime!

Liber word-I-can't-spell-right-now

COTEAZ: Uriah, man, get me my book.
JACOBUS: Ok, Torqster dude! Uh, which book?
COTEAZ: The Liber whatever.
JACOBUS: Which Liber? You got, like, a fethload of Libers in here.
COTEAZ: I don't remember what it's called! The big one bound in human skin with all the screaming demon faces and stuff on it.
JACOBUS: Oh, like that narrows it down.

Jacobus: The one with the skulls on it!


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One is played by Tommy Lee Jones, the other is played by Clint Eastwood