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Simon leen running sisters just took down Tony Kopach at the ToF invite. Simon won 15-5 and is advancing.

Sisters do have some good builds it seems.

What was his army build?

he is running sisters and inquisition

3 exorcists
2 sister squads with maxed flamer templates
cannoness
coteaz
xenons inquisitor with nades
dca squad in a land raider
2 acolyte squads min sized for scoring
3 dominion units with maxed meltas in immolators

Looks pretty bloody deadly.

Nice to hear the Sisters are doing well in the big leagues!

 frgsinwntr wrote:
he is running sisters and inquisition

3 exorcists
2 sister squads with maxed flamer templates
cannoness
coteaz
xenons inquisitor with nades
dca squad in a land raider
2 acolyte squads min sized for scoring
3 dominion units with maxed meltas in immolators

Any priests in that list? They've been pretty omnipresent since the new codex came out.

Did the Xenos inquisitor have the libram to let him scout? I had once considered an army of 3 dominion squads + landraider with DCA squad all scouting forward and murdering whatever was closest. I never could quite bring myself to spend that many points on just a handful of units, but then I think when i was pricing them out I was giving each of the dominion squads, max meltas, a priest with plasma rifle, and a plasma pistol on the superior for 220 points for each squad (that adds up fast). Then again, when you scout forward 21 shots with AP1-2 that can ignore cover for a turn and a DCA squad full of murder... (Of course that build doesn't leave enough points for exorcists.)

Wow, can't believe he's doing so well with the 'Raider deathstar. I run a similar list and the DCAs are devastating IF they get into combat, but it is such a big points sink I'm dropping the 'Raider for a Valkyrie. If the 'Raider gets popped the unit are dead, which is bye bye to over 400 points.

If he doe run this I'm sure he has a priest in the unit. Re-roll hits and re-roll wounds are amazing - I took a DCA star with priest and hit and wounded with every single one of my attacks against my opponents Nurgle Lord and spawn mini-star. Guess who won

I think the key to that list is that there's 3 units of concentrated melta fire to either act as a fire magnet or help clear the way for the death cult star. Either that or crusaders + Coteaz = enough tanking power once they're out of the raider.

yes there is a priest in the DCA unit...

sadly he only beat tony... and thats it...
:(

 frgsinwntr wrote:
yes there is a priest in the DCA unit...

sadly he only beat tony... and thats it...
:(

What's the mix of crusaders and DCAs? (I assume there's only crusaders, dcas, and a priest + the inquisitors attached to it?)

Well, the Sisters still went to the ToF Invitational and he pulled off a win against a top level opponent with Eldar. So much respect to him for representing the Nuns with Guns on a national level.

Im wondering,what is the best all round,take all comers type fortification for sisters to take?

Gomericus wrote:
Im wondering,what is the best all round,take all comers type fortification for sisters to take?

I would be inclined to say the Bastion.
It gives height for line of sight, protection with plenty of fire points, emplaced weapons, and something to hide behind, for a reasonably low price.

Taking this to Dark Star GT in Minneapolis.

Uriah

3x squads of five Battle Sisters with flamer, storm bolter, and plasma pistol. Priest in each squad. Multi melta immolator with storm bolter

One squad of thirteen with combi flamer, two flamers, heavy flamer immolator. Priest attached with book.

Melta dominion squad with combi melta and immolator with multi melta.

Nine seraphims with two sets of hand flamers.

Exorcist with storm bolter.

Hereticus inquisiter with null rod and inferno pistol in power armour. Has the book with scout on turn one. Three servo skulls.

Three squads of five psykers. Chimera with two heavy bolters with psybolt ammo.

Aegis defense line.

I have had alot of luck with this list. I guess I will find out this weekend how much.
My gallery has some photos, I will be updating with more

So.. I ran into an interesting challenge today and one I figured I would see if anyone here could crack it.

I played a necron player at 2000 points. I took a semi competitive list against him, since it was my first time playing him, but turns out he went all Escalation on me and destroyed me by end of turn 4.

I ran his list through army builder after the game and it turns out he actually had 434 points above the cap but I dont think he cheated more than he simply didnt build his list properly.

Nonetheless, the real challenge was the Transcendant C'tan

He had him built with Transliminal Stride, Wave of Withering and Seismic Assault.

It can easily be fielded in a legal 2000 points necron list.

How would we deal with this? I dont have access to titans myself, but otherwise I can build/get pretty much everything else.

What list should I try at 2000 to deal with this?

I think the short answer is we don't.

The Transcendent C'Tan is truly nasty in ways that Titans and other things that have AV aren't.

Pretty much the only non escalation unit I can think of that can deal with this guy are a bunch of centurions with grav cannons. (And 5 of them should take him from full Wounds to dead... which they have to because otherwise he will murder them on the subsequent turn.)

Crusaders (lots of them) with a priest could tank him for a few turns and honestly deny him the ability to make back his points assuming he can't just transliminal stride/otherwise disengage from that combat (not 100% on the escalation rules).


Let's put things into perspective:

At T9, 6 wounds, 3+/4++ and FNP, it's going to take lots of shots to hurt him.

Anything below S6 can't at all. A melta gun fired at BS4 has a 2/3 * 1/3 * 1/2 * 2/3 = 2/27 chance to inflict a wound. (So you'd have to put on average 81 melta shots into him to bring him down... now granted a 2000pt SoB army could in fact have over 40 meltaguns, concentrating all of them that much for 2-3 rounds would cause you to lose lots of them, and probably almost all your army when he explodes.

I guess if you had rad grenades from an inquisitor the number of shots would go down some, but the math is daunting no matter how you look at it.

By contrast, if you use grav cannon shots which only come on centurions who have a built in ability to reroll their chance to wound, you instead you get 2/3 * 8/9 * 1/2 * 2/3 = 16/81 wounds per shot.

If you can twin-link those you can get 8/9 * 8/9 * 1/2 * 2/3 = 64/283 or about .26...

Ok... so actually by that math you need 22 shots and the whole unit puts out 25. So if you can twinlink the fire of a unit that is just 10 points cheaper than the C'tan's base cost himself, you have about a 50-50 shot of taking him down in a round. (To be fair if you do pull that off, and the Centurions are at max range, you avoid his massive death explosion, you've pretty much won that game.)

Fun fact. You can put 5 centurions into a Landraider Crusader, scout them forward 12" (for the all improtant task of getting within 24" of the C'Tan before he could act you chose your allies to be Raven Guard ,right?), go first, move the raider 6", disembark them 6" forward for up to 24" of movement before they fire (you'll probably lose some distance to maneuvering). So really. Put them somewhere where the C'tan can't be more than 48" from you... put the psyker that will twin link their shots somewhere near enough that he can be in range to cast prescience (this can be an inquisitor with the libram that lets him scout first turn).

 frgsinwntr wrote:
yes there is a priest in the DCA unit...

sadly he only beat tony... and thats it...
:(

One does not simply 'only' beat Tony Kopach.

Mavnas wrote:
you chose your allies to be Raven Guard ,right?

Raven Guard chapter traits DO NOT allow models with bulky and extra bulky to scout, just scouts and power armor marines and their transports.

Feel No Pain 5+, not 4+.

It's pretty nasty though.

I favour Transliminal Stride, Cosmic Fire and Wave of Withering myself. (StrD 18" move, then 2 Hellstorms)

Though in a non-apoc game I'd probably go Storm of Heavenly Fire, then Cosmic Fire + Sky of Falling / Maelstrom, just so it's a little more 'toned down' and slightly less of an ass for taking it in the first place.

T9, 6W, 3+ / 4+* w/ Feel No Pain is pretty nasty though, needing a lot of firepower (or 1-2 StrD shots) to bring down.
On the plus side, if you can get something in combat (such as a blob) that can wither the 8 attacks a turn, it's stuck there.

That would be the tactic i'd advise:

Get it stuck with crusaders, charge with Your Imperial Knight. Sorted =P

I'm very curious about this list and how it works:

 sfshilo wrote:
Taking this to Dark Star GT in Minneapolis.

Uriah

3x squads of five Battle Sisters with flamer, storm bolter, and plasma pistol. Priest in each squad. Multi melta immolator with storm bolter

One squad of thirteen with combi flamer, two flamers, heavy flamer immolator. Priest attached with book.

Melta dominion squad with combi melta and immolator with multi melta.

Nine seraphims with two sets of hand flamers.

Exorcist with storm bolter.

Hereticus inquisiter with null rod and inferno pistol in power armour. Has the book with scout on turn one. Three servo skulls.

Three squads of five psykers. Chimera with two heavy bolters with psybolt ammo.

Aegis defense line.

I have had alot of luck with this list. I guess I will find out this weekend how much.
My gallery has some photos, I will be updating with more

Only one Exorcist? More Seraphim than Dominions in Fast Attack? Battle Sister Squads using a special weapon slot for a Storm Bolter? These are all contrary to conventional wisdom with the 6th edition codex, and I'm very interested in someone who uses them successfully. What are your tactics and experiences?

 Ovion wrote:
Feel No Pain 5+, not 4+.
T9, 6W, 3+ / 4+* w/ Feel No Pain is pretty nasty though, needing a lot of firepower (or 1-2 StrD shots) to bring down.
On the plus side, if you can get something in combat (such as a blob) that can wither the 8 attacks a turn, it's stuck there.

Don't forget it stomps.

And stomps potentially with the large blast template....

Yeah, so crusaders with priest with the rerollable 3++ work. There's not a lot of other things that do.

Curiously enough, I think Repentia might be a worthy counter for Knights, especially against a Knight-Only list.

The StrD weapons are only about as deadly as any other against them, and they hit with good old Eviscerators.

Definately viable as a counter-charge unit, possibly store them in a rhino?

I'm having a Knight painted up in Sisters colours as a counter

Yeah, so crusaders with priest with the rerollable 3++ work. There's not a lot of other things that do.

Strength D close combat weapon so they just die............

They've got a reasonable defense against the Stomp attacks though.

I'm confused, D Weapons ignore invulnerables so how are crusaders good tarpits against either the tran. ctan or the new mini titan?

Playing a 600pt game against DE tomorrow, anyone got some general advice? I know he's always runs a few raiders and/or venoms, so an exorcist is a must against his AV11 vehicles. Since it's a small game, I'll run two BSS with double melta instead of the usual F/HF, and go without dominions for a change. I was thinking of taking Celestine with seraphim bodyguard to deal with his infantry.

toocool61 wrote:
I'm confused, D Weapons ignore invulnerables so how are crusaders good tarpits against either the tran. ctan or the new mini titan?

The Knight doesn't have many attacks and has to hit first too. It'll kill 1-2 crusaders a turn maybe. The stomps aren't Strength D so you get your saves against em.