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Amishprn86 wrote:
Wow 74 pages, Ive read the 1st 12, and the last lol.

But I would LOVE to get into AS (SoB) I understand some of the basics and have a small amount of them so far (500points) so I dont want to spend money where I dont need (sense you know, AS cost lots of money) can you guys tell me a good 1750 TAC list that can work against Tau, Eldar, tau/dar and SM's

I know in a few weeks the rules will change, but I dont think it will change the top 2 books from what they do best.

You did not list what you own so far, but if you do not have any, 2 Exorcists is a good buy and will make rather competitive with any list you might take =)

Conversions if you're unwilling to buy, but have the 2 Exos.

 BlackTalos wrote:

Amishprn86 wrote:
Wow 74 pages, Ive read the 1st 12, and the last lol.

But I would LOVE to get into AS (SoB) I understand some of the basics and have a small amount of them so far (500points) so I dont want to spend money where I dont need (sense you know, AS cost lots of money) can you guys tell me a good 1750 TAC list that can work against Tau, Eldar, tau/dar and SM's

I know in a few weeks the rules will change, but I dont think it will change the top 2 books from what they do best.

You did not list what you own so far, but if you do not have any, 2 Exorcists is a good buy and will make rather competitive with any list you might take =)

Conversions if you're unwilling to buy, but have the 2 Exos.

Whirlwinds with Sister bling make good Exo conversions.

SJ

Amishprn86 wrote:
But I would LOVE to get into AS (SoB) I understand some of the basics and have a small amount of them so far (500points) so I dont want to spend money where I dont need (sense you know, AS cost lots of money) can you guys tell me a good 1750 TAC list that can work against Tau, Eldar, tau/dar and SM's.

Things that have been good for quite some time:

Battle Sisters - You need probably 20-30 of these with a variety of special weapons (melta, flamer, heavy flamer, MM)
Dominions - About 20 of these. I would do 6xmelta, 6xflamer. That gets you two dedicated squads and one partial.
3 Exorcists - These have always been good.
Celestine and Jacobus

That's a core list that has been good for editions and editions. If you're interested, I'm selling a bunch, btw.

To quote myself from another time:

Sisters are good, but difficult to play.
They are also incredibly expensive to get into.

To start you're going to want:
At least 20 Sisters of Battle,
1-2 Exorcists,
A Cannoness -and/or- Celestine.

From there, you'll probably want:
At least 5 Seraphim (to go with Celestine),
Some Immolators / Rhinos,
Another Exorcist, -and/or- a squad of Retributors
More BSS,
More immolators
Maybe Dominions

Optional:
Repentia
Penitent Engines

And if you're really keen, grab (or convert) 1-2 Avenger Strike Fighters.

I'd say Repentia and Penitent Engines are very optional, as in, you should chose the option to never take them.

Maybe I've just had exceptionally horrible luck with them.

No, they are bad. They look awesome, but are bad.

They are rather hard to use right.

You have to really go all out with them, or not at all.

They're very Glass Cannon, hitting like a sledgehammer but crumpling like paper, so if you're at all cautious with them they'll be dead before they do anything.

Generally, you charge them full pelt at an enemy unit.
They SHOULD survive long enough to play will-it-blend with their target.
They generally won't survive past that.

And even, then, you're probably better using a more 'sensible' list.

The one exception to this is keeping a small unit hidden for Counter-Charge, but if they get shot it'll probably die.

The problem is there's few targets they handle better than DCAs and the latter can have a few crusaders to hide behind.

 Ovion wrote:
The one exception to this is keeping a small unit hidden for Counter-Charge, but if they get shot it'll probably die.

I have played 10 repentia in a Rhino this way, and most opponents will ignore them. Then i disembark before they get too close, and charge the closest target from behind my Rhino-Bastion hideout. (Or any LoS blocker on the table)

The opponent then finds out how they love blending anything, and never approaches that building ever again.

I've had a Necron player being denied a Flank this way, and as i drove my Rhino up, cover to cover, he would simply retreat out of blending Fear =P

oh my god it's a Rhino full of half-naked crazy ladies run run runnnnnnn


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Mavnas wrote:
The problem is there's few targets they handle better than DCAs and the latter can have a few crusaders to hide behind.

Repentia can handle armored vehicles and high-toughness targets better, can't they?

They handle AP2 targets better, high t maybe? Remember they swing at I1 and FNP does nothing vs S6+. DCAs swing at I6, which means they soften the enemy up first not the other way around.

I tend to spam melta guns, so not sure of the value of engaging enemy vehicles in melee.

Repentia kill high save targets (like terminators), and vehicles better.

Repentia can also kill Superheavies pretty readily.

It all comes down to taste in a lot of ways for those two units though I think.

Taste, what the rest of your army is packing, and who your opponent is. I've faced a depressing lack of vehicles. There is nothing sadder than 14 melta guns and no large point sink metal box to melt.

Snipe TEQ with meltas and laugh at their 2+ save. Or snipe Grots and just laugh....

I've always loved popping the Monolith Turn 1 =)

Bit of an odd question, does anyone know Sisters ranks in regards to the higher levels? I'm aware of Canoness, and Palatine, but any others known? I'm incorporating Grey Knights (using Sisters models) into my army to give it some CC punch (just matches my idea of Sororitas, beating the heretics to a paste in CC), and am renaming them. I'll be using either a Hereticus Inquisitor, Grand Master or Brother-Captain, some strike squads and Paladins. The whole 'Brotherhood of Pyskers" matches the whole belief idea, which would undoubtedly be stronger in the upper echelons, as do the increased stats (better equipment, stronger belief, 'upgrades'). Paladins fit Palatines (both stats and name wise), but I'm stuck on HQ and Troops. Ideas anyone?

Sorry for the hijack.

To my knowledge:
Cannonesses are heads of orders.
Then it's the Ecclesiarchy issuing orders and such.

Canoness is the highest "rank", however, it's what a Sister is Canoness of that determines her standing in the Sororitas hierarchy. A Canoness of a small order would be much in line with a company commander, while a Canoness of a larger order approaches Lord Commander status, and a Canoness leading a major order very well has equivalent power of a High Lord of Terra.

In terms of Grey Knights, a Canoness is a Grand Master, while a Palatine is a Sisterhood-Captain, and Paladins match well with Celestials. Justicars and Superiors are equivalent ranks/positions. Since Sisters were introduced back in 2nd, I've always hoped GW would give us Terminator equivalents called Archons, Dreadnought equivalents called Thrones, Knight equivalents called a Powers, and small Titans known as Principalities. When Karamazov was introduced in 3rd with his Throne of Judgment, it was like GW had read my mind! Too bad they dropped the ball with Sisters of Battle.

Now, when the WD mini-Dex came out, I was so pissed off with GW that I bought a Blood Angels codex and started running my Sister models as an Angelic Choir, with fast "Immolators", fast Rhinos, and Whirlwind "Exocists". Was working on Celestial Thrones (Furioso Dreads) and a Repentia cohort (Death Company). With the newest Digi-Dex, I just shelved my little Ladies for the time being.

SJ

I have seemed to have made a mistake. Carry on for the Emperor!

So.. unbound armies.

At the 2500 level we could field 20 Exorcists.


Is there anything that could reliably deal with this at 2500?

Voldrak wrote:
So.. unbound armies.

At the 2500 level we could field 20 Exorcists.


Is there anything that could reliably deal with this at 2500?

Pretty much any other 2500 point army. 20 exorcists is really not very good. Especially at 2500 points.

Also not very fun, unless you like Yahtzee.

If you're going to go for an Unbound list, go with an all scouting Dominion list. At least that has a bit more depth than 20 exorcists.

Thirty Penitent Engines.

(Which still leaves points for one basic Battle Sister squad if you ever need to take an objective).

 SisterSydney wrote:
[iThirty Penitent Engines[/i].

(Which still leaves points for one basic Battle Sister squad if you ever need to take an objective).

At least with that, you can take 30 separate PE instead of squadrons. They are still horrible though.

Well it'll allow me to take all 9 of my engines separately at least, which hopefully means 1 or 2 will leave to charge something!

100 Ministorum Priests?

That's reductio ad absurdum, there. 40K doesn't have great tactical balance or depiction of combined arms, but if you spam one unit type as your entire army, no matter how good the unit, you are still going to have problems. The Sisters' best "monoculture" build probably is Pretre's "all scouting Dominions," with a mix of flamer and melta squads & Immolators, and even there you'll be short any kind of anti-air and long-range firepower.

I think that an average of 35 str8 ap2 missiles per turn would be pretty nasty.

Horde lists however would laugh at 20 exorcists for sure however.


Do we know if Unbound will allow for more than 1 fortification?

If so I could see myself playing 2-3 aegis defense lines for the quad guns.

AP1.

 SisterSydney wrote:
100 Ministorum Priests?

That's reductio ad absurdum, there. 40K doesn't have great tactical balance or depiction of combined arms, but if you spam one unit type as your entire army, no matter how good the unit, you are still going to have problems. The Sisters' best "monoculture" build probably is Pretre's "all scouting Dominions," with a mix of flamer and melta squads & Immolators, and even there you'll be short any kind of anti-air and long-range firepower.

Bad example, you can already bring as many priests as you can afford in an inquisition list.