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 BlackTalos wrote:
So, anyone looking forward to the new Kickstarter tomorrow?

I haven't got much to throw at it, but i will try... =P

Sheesh - 300k in two hours isn't too shabby. I'm thinking about jumping in just because I've always wanted a small sisters allied force, but there's just something about raging heroes's sculpts... They just rub me the wrong way. I mean, they're beautiful. They really are. Some of their dark elf stuff is reeeeaaaally tempting for a DE Haemonculus stand in - but do you get the feeling that every single model is like, *strike a pose!*? To an obnoxious extent? I understand that design impulse for character models. You want them to stand out after all. But if I'm picking up ~20+ sisters, at least some of them just need to be standing there holding a bolt gun, right? Instead of hopping on one leg, doing a handstand, or just twerking her high-heeled butt off?

Yep.

As an aside, I did the math and you can get all the infantry for an SOB army for about $192 before shipping.

It's 12 Command Squads. This gives you 60 sisters: 24 specials/heavies (before converting), 12 Sergeants, 24 Bolters.

Yeah, I don't really like their design. Besides, I have over 100 SoB infantry models.

Mavnas wrote:
Yeah, I don't really like their design. Besides, I have over 100 SoB infantry models.

Yeah, I'm falling out with it. I'd have to spend a good 300-400 (which is cheap) to redo my army with them and I'd have to repaint everything.

The good news is that it would be practically free since I could just sell my old SOB, but still...

Also, I was thinking of just getting one or two models (Revallia and Ascended Erzebel) but shipping being 20-30 is killing it for me.

 Hoitash wrote:
I was thinking about ally potential as well, but then a fluff thought occurred to me. Don't the AdMech and AS not get along very well? I mean sure the AdMech keeps our cranky Exorcists in tune and gear, but besides that, there's that whole Machine God thing to think about.

Or am I misremembering again? (I hope so, those infantry models are sweet.)

No, you are right. The Mechanicus don't follow the Imperial Cult, instead following their own Cult Mechanicus which views the Emperor as the Omnissiah, and the Ecclesiarchy has some pretty major issues with that. But kinda like the Space Marine chapters, they're reluctantly allowed to get away with it because the Imperium can't afford to lose them.

 pretre wrote:

Mavnas wrote:
Yeah, I don't really like their design. Besides, I have over 100 SoB infantry models.

Yeah, I'm falling out with it. I'd have to spend a good 300-400 (which is cheap) to redo my army with them and I'd have to repaint everything.

The good news is that it would be practically free since I could just sell my old SOB, but still...

Also, I was thinking of just getting one or two models (Revallia and Ascended Erzebel) but shipping being 20-30 is killing it for me.

I'm quite happy joining some more feet on the ground to my current forces. Just some "higher up" sisters to be part of my main army.
Count-as Celestians (That's a hope for the new Codex...), even on a fluff point of view: play them as standard BSS but call them celestians.
Also, looks like their versions of Penitent Engines are coming up. I do not own any, so my purchase might just be 9 of those.

I can go on for ideas, but the conclusion would be the same: I'm in for it

I'm liking "Arthenia VI, the Arch-Papess" more and more as a form of Cardinal for the fluff side. It started when i realised she did not have daemon horns but a Victorian Queen-type collar....

Aye, I am planning on picking up a handful of squads and using them to add some much needed diversity to my already existing SOB army. Being able to point to the unit and say "yes, those are dominions" because the miniatures are different (and standout!) rather than just because they have a different hair color will be much appreciated.

I'm loving the minis but am still on the fence about it as I've heard that the company is slow to produce the models. I understand that KS can sometimes take a while, but from what I've seen / heard they only just shipped out the final models from the initial one, and it ended about a year and a half ago. Basically I'm wondering what experiences people have had with them in the past? Is it worth it to wait over a year for the models? I already have a full sisters army so this would just be gravy, which is what is making me hesitate, especially with rumors getting louder that Sisters may actually get a plastic release (I know, I know, but the rumors do seem to be getting more legit lately).

So in other words there's a non-trivial chance GW will put out actual sisters before you get these.

confoo22 wrote:
I'm loving the minis but am still on the fence about it as I've heard that the company is slow to produce the models. I understand that KS can sometimes take a while, but from what I've seen / heard they only just shipped out the final models from the initial one, and it ended about a year and a half ago. Basically I'm wondering what experiences people have had with them in the past? Is it worth it to wait over a year for the models? I already have a full sisters army so this would just be gravy, which is what is making me hesitate, especially with rumors getting louder that Sisters may actually get a plastic release (I know, I know, but the rumors do seem to be getting more legit lately).

If you have a full Sisters army, I think investing in this KS would be a mistake. You will not take delivery of your full investment for a significant period of time, and I'm highly dubious of any company that relies on Kickstarter as a means of running a business.

Yeah, there's a reason the word "starter" is there in Kickstarter.

 GoonBandito wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I was thinking about ally potential as well, but then a fluff thought occurred to me. Don't the AdMech and AS not get along very well? I mean sure the AdMech keeps our cranky Exorcists in tune and gear, but besides that, there's that whole Machine God thing to think about.

Or am I misremembering again? (I hope so, those infantry models are sweet.)

No, you are right. The Mechanicus don't follow the Imperial Cult, instead following their own Cult Mechanicus which views the Emperor as the Omnissiah, and the Ecclesiarchy has some pretty major issues with that. But kinda like the Space Marine chapters, they're reluctantly allowed to get away with it because the Imperium can't afford to lose them.

As a rules matter, though, I'd imagine GW will stick with the rule that "all forces of the Imperium are Battle Brothers to each other." And fluffwise, you could say your Canoness/Cardinal is unusually ecumenical, pragmatic, or desperate.


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For example:

CANONESS: Welcome, ally, in the name of the God-Emperor!
MAGOS: You. Mean. Omnissiah.
CANONESS: We all adore in our own way, brother. Just as long as you feel His love in your heart!
MAGOS: My. Heart. Is. Plastic.
CANONESS: As long as you feel His love in whatever part of you is still human!
MAGOS: My. Brain. Spinal column. Left kidney. And. Prostate.
CANONESS: As long as you feel His love in your prostate!
MAGOS: You. Nuns. Don't. Even. Know. Why. That. Sounds. Wrong. Do. You?
CANONESS: Nope!

 the_Armyman wrote:

If you have a full Sisters army, I think investing in this KS would be a mistake. You will not take delivery of your full investment for a significant period of time, and I'm highly dubious of any company that relies on Kickstarter as a means of running a business.

I disagree, for me at least, since the KS has so many other armies involved I always have the option of taking the sister freebies and using some of the dark elves to add to my dark elf wyches "counts as" daemonettes army.

They have already dropped the "scout" freebie which makes me hopeful that they will have something that can replace my daughters of the flame "counts as" flesh tearer scouts that unlock drop pods for my penitent engines as well as a jump pack sanguinary priest for fnp on my seraphim Celestine bodyguards.

Of course I am looking more for the dark elves, but the sister stuff has some possibilities as far as filling some niches in my "counts as" units. For those looking to start a new Sisters army, like Petre said, you can get a lot of models cheap. To each their own thoug, the KS works for me.

BTW, is it actually possible to drag this thread OT?

IMO, the Mantic stuff doesn't fit the GW aesthetic very well. And that's discounting the fact that the vast majority of the line is just concept art at this point. We have no idea what it will look like when the rubber meets the road. It's important to me that my army look like an army, not a collection of stuff that shares the same paint scheme.

When will the last wave reach your doorstep? This is six completely new factions. I just don't see this being fulfilled in 12 months. Too many variables between here and there. I'll bet a lot of people didn't count on a port strike in the US, right? If I didn't have an existing Sisters army, I'd be more than a little concerned that plastic Sisters showed up before all of this stuff did.

But, if none of the above bothers you, or you just love the way Mantic's stuff looks, or your willing to compromise a bit to save some money, then your opinion is just as valid as mine. I'm just sharing why I would avoid the investment.

I have some Raging heroes models already. I bought some preying mantis models from them a few months back (they look like daemonettes if anyone is wondering).

Firstly, I must say I have extremely happy with the sculpt, it was clean and crisp and the details were beautiful. The build method allows for a good amounts of poses too, they have these ball-jointed shoulders that allow total control of where the arm is posed. The only part that bothered me is the... size, kinda. You see they were prettymuch the same height as the GW daemonettes, maybe a hair shorter, but they are wildly thinner, like stick thin. Putting them next to any GW model they seem so thin and frail and definitely stand out from the other GW stuff, you can tell they are made from a different company.

Don't get me wrong, I love them and they still look superb but I can clearly see what the_armyman is getting at when he says he wants his units to have some aesthetic cohesion. If you are building an army out of Raging heroes models then it'll look fantastic but mixing them in with GW models they do look different in scale and style. In the end I'm still happy with how they look in my army, especially since GW newer daemonettes look so terrible. Just wanted to give some firsthand knowledge with my experiences with the company doing this "sisters clone" army KS. By the way the company is filled with wonderful and fun people, I emailed them about address changes and for updates on the TGG KS and they are super-quick to reply with lots of info and everything. As a company, regardless of how they fund their projects, I can say I like them.

Ok I'm sure I've filled this thread with enough heresy for one night so I will add this: Anyone thinking the new skiitarii stuff can add to the Sisters dex in any areas they are lacking? Perhaps the ironstriders can offer some non-melta AT or free up heavy slots for more HB rets?

For da Emprah!

So, I like the new AdMech models, but I find it hard to see how they would work well with a SoB force. The most interesting thing the troops seem to be able to do is to bring a bunch of haywire guns to bear, you know for those times when 12 melta guns and a couple of exorcists aren't enough. If they were at least long-range anti-tank then they'd bring something new. I guess I will have to see what their transports look like.

More out of curiostity than anything, but will this thread be "reset" (Abandoned) if a new Codex is released?

I mean if the Codex contains pretty much the same Units but slightly modded then most of the discussion still applies? I suppose no one is going to go civ through the thread, ever...?

I believe that's what we did last time.

(Yep this opened in 10/2013)

 pretre wrote:
I believe that's what we did last time.

(Yep this opened in 10/2013)

All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again

So say we all


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I'll hold off on the Mechanicus until I see the rules. I made a promise to GW back in 2003 that if they released a mechanicum army I would buy it. (I had Mechanicum ships for Gothic if you're wondering) Not sure how they would mesh with the Sisters but I have Space marines/Blood angels as well so I'm sure I'll find a way.

On an unrelated note, I finally edited together another battle report for the Sisters. Life keeps getting in the way.

I wouldn't hold off on the Kickstarter hoping for plastic Sisters. I sold my whole army thinking plastics were right around the corner right after the new Codex came out and we saw how those rumors panned out!

That said I am going to use this opportunity to rebuild my army. It will cost at least $300 just to replace all my troops (not even counting rebuying all the tanks) but I can actually get enough meltaguns this time and only pay $3 a piece.

Right now I am trying to figure out what all to get without going overboard. So tempting to buy 3 full units of their amazing looking Repentia for instance. I want to get a unit of the Fantasy Angels for a third unit of Seraphim (as an honor guard for Celestine) when I will probably never run three. I want some of the Fantasy Sisters to throw boltguns on and use as Celestians and I even will buy a unit of the Daughters (badass combat nuns with dual pistols) just because they look cool. Plus about 85 Sisters, almost every character, and at least one of the Thrones of Judgement.

Yeah really trying not to go overboard lol.

Anyone thought of going special weapon crazy with their BSS?

I'm talking Flamer/Melta with heavy flamer, a combo-plasma and a priest with a plasma in a 5-10 girl squad in a rhino or immolator? That's a lot of firepower IMO. Though somewhat expensive and squishy.

Yeah, too spendy.

Too spendy, although I occasionally toss a couple of plasma pistols on my melta-minion superior for lols.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Too spendy, although I occasionally toss a couple of plasma pistols on my melta-minion superior for lols.

You can do that? Give them two I mean thought that was reserved for seraphim? That does sound fun.

It's a little spendy but I don't know I rarely find my BSS do a whole lot and thought it might be a better way to get some oomph out of them. I might drop the priest though. That might be a little too much.

Anyone who can take ranged weapons from the armoury can take dual pistols. Except the seraphim superior, for some odd reason. I ran the combi plasma, flamer, heavy flamer, with priest and a plasma gun in a multimelta Immolator. I've run that a few times.I ran that against the necros up top. It's okay, a bit spendy but it's fun.

I'm slowly going through the thread here and it's almost surprising how much things are still like the tactics in the old one. I do like the allied drop pod army idea above though!

I've decided I will be using the RH Daughters of the Crucible as Scouts. About how many scouts do I reasonably need assuming I have to get them all at once? 12, 16, or go for even more? They will be in multiples of 4.

Thanks!

Usually 10 is fine. So plan accordingly.

 Malkyr wrote:
I'm slowly going through the thread here and it's almost surprising how much things are still like the tactics in the old one. I do like the allied drop pod army idea above though!

I've decided I will be using the RH Daughters of the Crucible as Scouts. About how many scouts do I reasonably need assuming I have to get them all at once? 12, 16, or go for even more? They will be in multiples of 4.

Thanks!

Daughters of the crucible?

Raging heroes kickstarter models.