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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 23:16:22
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Well face to face games work differently. You have more room to be verbose. You don't have to type spell check or read everything. Also people have the ability to interrupt you when your talking. With text, I say the bigger problem I see is people typing too much. It slows things down. Often it's not because people are being overly descriptive, but more that they are trying to do too much in one action.
As a whole I like to be conservative with my word count though. I take consideration that people have to read what I type and try to stick to the important bits well cramming as much detail as I can into as small a space as I can. Using the right adverbs can help. Also a proper use of colored text can snip out a lot of words from a description.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 23:31:06
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Nasty Nob
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Never been a big deal in my games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 00:47:46
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Solahma
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Elemental wrote:I think it's because I like to have a certain distance from my character, an area in which they are decidedly Not Me
That's a very good point and why I ever played a female character in the first place. Funny enough, in that group no one batted an eye. But I've seen hostility to it, ranging from GM's ouright disallowing it to no one in the group even considering it to be a possibility, in other groups. I was recently tasked to play a female character with my current group in a game that had pregen characters because the GM considered me to be "the only one who could roleplay the character without being a fool," which I suppose is a compliment. Only trouble is, I was not really interested in the character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 03:27:34
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I dislike pregenerated characters for a similar reason.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 03:45:48
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Melissia wrote:True, text chat is almost wholly superior to voice or face to face. I've never done online text roleplay, so I can't say anything about it, but don't knock old-fashioned face-to-face -- even for cross-gender characters: All the really great ones I've seen have been in face-to-face (because that's all I've ever played) and I totally believed that the somewhat pudgy woman across from me was a strapping male warrior or that the bald guy was a dark-haired female assassin..... And I'm an overweight, middle-aged, 5' 10" blond guy with glasses who has, apparently, gotten people to go along with the idea that he's a frail 4' 10" Victorian/gothic girl of about age 10.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 06:11:45
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Yeah, I've never had a good experience with online roleplaying. Face-to-face is pretty much all I'm willing to put myself out there for, anymore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 09:30:11
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Online RP's are like face to face - of ypu have angood group it is great, if you have a bad group it can be terrible. A single player can wreck either by being a tool.
I like online RP's because you have the time to write interesting posts. I don't like them because they take forever because you have to spend ages writing and reading interesting posts. I also have a terrible memory for names and find it hard to remember characters and players online sometimes. Face to face is much easier and much more social.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 12:26:20
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Really, for me, issue has never come up. I can see that it could be a problem with some immature/jerky players. I've seen plenty of female characters played by men (I often play a female myself), not one of them has been a stereotypical Boris Vallejo-style slutty sword chick (well, some have been close) or Anime sex kitten. I guess I have been lucky with the people I have played with.
Coincidentally, recently I began to play in L5R campaign too, and it happens I play a female Shugenja. Setting of L5R is such that it essentially impossible to fit a stereotypical Red Sonja-knockoff in chainmail bikini in it anyway. My co-players (all of them male playing male samurai) have not had any problems with my characters' gender. They do have lots of problems with my character having gone to Soshi school...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 12:42:30
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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[DCM]
Coastal Bliss in the Shadow of Sizewell
Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.
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Ah fates bless the Scorpion Clan.
As to the text comments, I have enjoyed a couple of well done text adventures on line, but in general I do prefer face to face.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 12:44:52
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I did play one character who resembled the sexy enchantress archtype. I got an amusing reaction out of one of the other players when he realised she was in fact infecting her enemies with brain-eating tumors.
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"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 13:07:31
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Cosmic Joe
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My roleplaying group is a bunch of writers, so we're all published with the exception of one newbie who still managed to do an exceptional job. We're people that understand what it is to be in character's heads and be a part of the story. Those sessions were the best RPG sessions of my life.
The game was L5R and every Friday, Larry Correia (Monster Hunter International.) posts the fiction we write about our gaming sessions on his blog.That's the only game where a tea ceremony can be as dangerous as a fight with an oni.
What I'm saying is that we're all experienced in RPG's, story telling, and are mature. If the group is good, there will be no problem playing gender swapped characters. If the group is less than ideal then....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/03 13:17:11
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Ah fates bless the Scorpion Clan.
As to the text comments, I have enjoyed a couple of well done text adventures on line, but in general I do prefer face to face.
Ah, that's the best part, she is not a Scorpion, but Unicorn who was sent to Soshi school (Different School advantage). Oh, and we play 2nd edition, and in that setting, Scorpion Coup is a recent event, so she gets a loads of funny looks from her kinsmen...
Text adventures can be fun, but my problem with them is that combat can be real slow. A chat session takes like 2 times more time than a live session.
Also, some players may have some attention issues in chat sessions if they only check the screen like every 3-4 minutes whilst they're playing WoW/surfing pr0n/whatever....
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Mr Vetock, give back my Multi-tracker! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/04 05:45:31
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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As a GM that ran (still running my DH campaign for close to 3 years now) multiple games on mIRC, played in much, much less (so hard getting to play) text is great as it concentrate a bit more on the game proper, not to mention, for me at least, allows to develop better writing skills and using words as imagery. Play by post is also good as you can write more and add details to your post.
A disadvantage or two would be that combat is longer to do on mIRC/PbP and it does take a bit to get things moving, as people need/begin to write something down, then they charge their minds about it-that is if they simply drop out of the blue because of unknown reasons (mostly saw it during games that took a more political/social turn instead of combat-combat-loot-shop-combat). Also, if some are not paying attention, it slows the action down. Not to mention a 5 minutes planning something in face-to-face, generally OOC, is longer to do on mIRC as it generally keeps the planning and discussions in character, so everyone got their own way of doing things and sharing info, not to mention character conflict and interest concerning the mission/goal
BUT, it does keep things focus on the current game, while face-to-face generally,at least in my case, goes off the rails pretty fast; starts at 7, but we do social and talk about this and that, starts at 7:30, then we goof off during the game, as this or that situation happens in game or out of it, take a braek as the chips come out and we talk about XYZ.....I do got to admit my weekly face-to-face game is mostly the only time I can actually speak of RPG/40k/other stuff I like 'in the flesh' with people without them not knowing what I'm talking/finding it boring or a waste of time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/15 08:07:43
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Been Around the Block
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So, here's a kindof odd question. How would people feel about a transgendered or crossdressing character? I had an idea for a Warpriest of Calistria that was a transvestite, but discarded it because I was afraid it would devolve into absurdity too quickly with other players. I've considered playing the character several times, but I can't see any way to keep people from going slowed with it, so the character sheet just sits there, and that is a bummer, because I tihnk it would be a really interesting thing to do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/15 10:40:08
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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MIni MIehm wrote:So, here's a kindof odd question. How would people feel about a transgendered or crossdressing character? I had an idea for a Warpriest of Calistria that was a transvestite, but discarded it because I was afraid it would devolve into absurdity too quickly with other players. I've considered playing the character several times, but I can't see any way to keep people from going slowed with it, so the character sheet just sits there, and that is a bummer, because I tihnk it would be a really interesting thing to do.
The concept of a female crossdresser hardly exists any more, so that would be a non-issue. I would have no issue with a male crossdresser as long as it doesn't turn into "Have I mentioned today that I'm a crossdresser?" and if someone does, it seems like it would be easy to defuse the situation just by playing with the usual "robes are dresses" joke:
"...He's wearing an ankle-length green dress."
"Wait, did you say a dress?"
"I'm sorry, I mean a robe. Philistine."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/15 17:27:00
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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I played around with the idea of a cross dressing character. They where a drow and I had all this fluff though up around the concept, but the funny thing was that the cross dressing aspect rarely came up and there wasn't too much to actually do with it when it did. The cross dressing aspect ended up being a character artifact. Still around, but kind of buried under other details that mattered more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/20 08:58:06
Subject: Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Yellin' Yoof on a Scooter
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Made some very bad experiences with cross-gender Characters and developed a habit to stay way from groups where Chars like that are present.
I have one big RP group where we established that we would not play Chars of the other gender. OFC, when meeting other groups you have situations where such Chars are present, but then you're either pleasantly surprised to see someone play competently, or there is plenty of room to excuse yourself from playing until we moved on again.
Its less of a problem over Text since the voice isnt distracting from the Chars gender, and its easier to stay way from creepy-stuff when doing Online-RP. This is also one of the major reasons I will never play face-to-face. I need my comfort zone when Roleplaying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/12 09:00:24
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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http://rosswatson.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/roleplaying-as-another-gender.html
Greetings readers, I’m interested to find out how people feel about this particular blog post, because I consider it to be yet another (somewhat) controversial topic: playing RPG characters of a gender other than your own.
I should begin by stating that my personal opinion is that the whole point of roleplaying is to be someone other than yourself, and that can certainly include things like race (such as playing an elf) as well as social class (say, a king or prince) and, naturally, gender as well.
To reiterate: My opinion is that roleplaying a character of another gender from your own is just fine.
Also, just to clarify, I’m talking about a player roleplaying as another gender in a gaming group over a campaign, not the DM and not generally in one-shot games (such as ones found at gaming conventions).
This topic is somewhat controversial because there are many gaming groups out there where playing a character of another gender is discouraged or considered “weird.”
In my experience, many all-male groups find a male player roleplaying as a female character (aside from the GM) to be taboo. There are many other resources on the internet discussing this topic (such as Sandy Antunes' article) as well.
My Take
I think it is important to start out this topic by stating that I’ve played several female characters over the years, and many of them are amongst the most memorable characters I’ve ever created. So, keep in mind that I’m speaking from experience as a gamer who enjoys occasionally playing characters of another gender. I’m not going to classify myself as an expert by any means, however!
Our world is going through some interesting changes with how gender is perceived, especially with regards to gender roles, their perception (quite recently and prominently in the gaming space), human sexuality, and people who are transgender. I think now is a good time to continue the conversation about these issues through the lens of our shared hobby.
Why Play Another Gender?
This was not an easy blog post to write. My inner procrastinator actively attempted to discourage me from writing this by offering distraction after distraction, but… ooh, shiny! Seriously though, this is a topic I’ve wanted to cover for some time on Rogue Warden.
As I mentioned above, I think roleplaying as another gender is fine—it’s something I’ve done myself on many occasions. In addition, I think there’s something very rewarding about opening up and seeing things through the eyes of someone completely different from myself. This, of course, ncludes gender, expectations of gender roles, and how that gender is involved with the society of the game’s setting.
Roleplaying as a different gender, in my opinion, helps people understand gender issues like stereotypes, the reactions from people that other genders are exposed to, and the ramifications of a gender-separated society. For example, the Zentraedi race in the Robotech RPG are strictly segregated by gender. The males and females go so far as to have their own separate military formations, command structures, and unique war machines. It can be very interesting to explore some of the social issues that flow from such an usual structure.
To look at it from one perspective, I once wrote up an NPC who was the first woman paladin of a specific knightly order. This situation was interesting to me because of the idea of breaking down the social barriers barring women from fighting, and exploring some of the really unique elements (such as the way Paladins in this setting were focused on facing and defeating supernatural evil) that made this setup different. Another perspective is a legacy character I once designed based on the DC Comics setting, involving the son of Batman and Wonder Woman. The direction I wanted to go involved the boy learning to fight from his mother’s people, the Amazons, who have only very rarely welcomed men onto their secluded island.
Ultimately, roleplaying as a different gender is an experience that I would unhesitatingly recommend to most mature roleplayers. It provides a chance to see things through fresh eyes and can add some unique dynamics to make a particular character or campaign that much more memorable. Before I go on, however, let’s talk a bit about character concepts.
Gender and Character Concepts
I’ve been roleplaying now for over 29 years, and in that time, I’ve played a very large amount of different RPGs. My experience has taught me that I can come up with a character concept for just about any particular setting or campaign. However, I have also learned that, for me, some character concepts inherently possess characteristics that move them towards a particular gender.
For example, many of my character concepts are inherently masculine in my imagination. If I want to play Jack Burton, Jr., (from the film Big Trouble in Little China), I simply can’t imagine the character as anything other than a man. Similarly, I came up with a superhero-in-powered armor vigilante character idea called Technicality that just wouldn’t fit anything other than a woman.
Below is a brief selection of characters that I felt were inherently a feminine concept:
Technicality
As mentioned above, Technicality was one of the darker characters I ever played. She was featured in my good friend Grady Elliot's campaign, Vendetta Rhapsody. You can find her character sheet here.
Monolith
Featured in Digital Hero, this character was originally built for the old Marvel Super Heroes game by TSR. I especially enjoyed the playing-against-type bit in our high school game where she was one of the better football players in her school.
Ramien Meltides
One of my favorite tropes is the young innocent thrust into a world of adventure, and my first character to really take advantage of this was Ramien. She was a farmgirl fresh from the orchards of her homeland when she was plunged into a grand quest.
Miss Junior Olympia
A pastiche of Mary Marvel, this character was actually created by my good friend Robert Dorf for his Young Titans game, but I quickly adopted her. I love the idea of a “Mary Marvel”-esque character, especially with Robert’s particular twist that, in his campaign, each of the young heroes has a particular mentor. Miss Junior Olympia is being trained by Ithicles, a great hero who occasionally gets his ward into trouble.
Shadows Angelus
Now, this example is from the standpoint of a GM rather than a player. I ran two campaigns set in Shadows Angelus, both times with an all-male group of players. In the second game, I ended up with 4 female characters and 2 male characters. This made for an interesting dynamic that we nicknamed “Charlie’s Angels.” Having a group with the majority as female characters made for some very intriguing situations (especially when the characters were off-duty).
Fun Uber Alles
For me, roleplaying games are all about having fun above all. So, while I am an advocate for trying out roleplaying as another gender, and while for me personally, having something like that in a game is never a dealbreaker, I’d recommend testing the waters out with your group (i.e., talk it over!) before jumping in with both feet. I believe that (in general) having fun is optimized when everyone feels safe and comfortable! This next section of the post talks about the best practices (in my experience) that people should keep in mind when roleplaying as another gender.
For the Player
Maturity
This should go without saying, but I am a big believer in getting everything out in the open up front as much as possible: you should be a mature roleplayer to roleplay a gender other than your own. Portraying another gender in an immature or inappropriate manner makes everyone sad. It makes you sad, because doing this is tantamount to admitting idiocy. It also makes everyone else sad, because most gamers don’t show up to the table to see crude portrayals of other genders (especially with stereotypical or exaggerated social tropes).
This is not to say that you should never, ever roleplay as a character that exemplifies a stereotype—it can be done, and it can be done well. Even then, however, I would only entrust such a portrayal to a mature roleplayer.
Consistency
Roleplaying any character consistently is a vital element to making the other folks at the table understand what your character is about. I would say that consistency is even more important when you are roleplaying as another gender.
Separation from Reality
Roleplaying as another gender can be awkward, especially if other gamers around the table are focusing on the player’s appearance and mannerisms rather than his or her character’s. One possible solution for this is a tactic that helps separate the two.
One thing that has worked well for me is to have a picture of my character at the table, either printed out or present on an ipad or tablet. Putting this image up so that it is visible during roleplaying scenes can make it easier for other players to imagine interacting with your character rather than the player.
This separation works especially well over the internet. When I was playing on MUXes back in the day, the medium of pure text made the player’s real-life gender more or less irrelevant.
For the GM
Romance and Sex
In a character-driven campaign, it is not unlikely for characters to get into meaningful relationships—either with each other or prominent NPCs in the game setting. This can include situations such as romance and sex, both of which should be treated with respect when you are roleplaying as someone of the opposite gender. Gamemasters often roleplay as males and females of various races during the course of a campaign, and thus, GMs are the kinds of roleplayers who are generally most experienced at accurately and respectfully portraying someone of another gender from their own. Now, the subject of romance and sex in games is a large one—far too big for a single post to cover comprehensively—so all I will say here is that the GM should carefully consider how he approaches these issues in a campaign when the players are roleplaying as another gender. This consideration is just to ensure that (again) everyone feels comfortable during the game and that the most fun is had by all.
In Closing
Here are some interesting links discussing the concept of a man roleplaying as a woman and vice versa. I won’t say I agree with everything in these threads, but I think there’s some very interesting and thought-provoking material there for those who want to know more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/12 11:45:20
Subject: Re:Question about RPGs and cross gender characters.
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Mad Gyrocopter Pilot
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It's never even been an issue in all my years as a player/GM. But thankfully the regular groups I am in are made of good RPers.
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