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BlaxicanX wrote: How does combat proficiency and zealotry prevent someone from being physically attractive? I've seen plenty of very attractive female soldiers in real life.
How does combat proficiency and zealotry prevent someone from being physically attractive? I've seen plenty of very attractive female soldiers in real life.
When I said sexy, I was thinking more like going for sex appeal. Revealing clothes and a flirtacious attitude, that sort of stuff. Sure, a Sister could be attractive, but the brutal fighting of 40K would likey dimish that. sooner or later.
Also, the Sisters being, as I said, extremeley orthodox zealots means that they wouldn't really actively go out of their way to look attractive. Modern female soldiers don't have such harsh restrictions on them, nor do they (usually) fight so brutally as in 40K.
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MWHistorian wrote: After reading Ward's fluff in the Grey Knights codex, I say they're the lamest faction. One guy killing THOUSANDS of demons by himself? They need to get toned down quite a bit after that. But the idea of eliminating a faction just because you personally don't like them seems infantile.
I love how a random band of Orks accomplished more than Draigo has. (See Codex: Orks)
What orks did that? They sound awesome.
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MWHistorian wrote: After reading Ward's fluff in the Grey Knights codex, I say they're the lamest faction. One guy killing THOUSANDS of demons by himself? They need to get toned down quite a bit after that. But the idea of eliminating a faction just because you personally don't like them seems infantile.
I love how a random band of Orks accomplished more than Draigo has. (See Codex: Orks)
What orks did that? They sound awesome.
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kestril wrote: Page 1: New guard topic
Page 2: FW debate
Page 3: Ailaros and Peregrine fight. TO THE DEATH
I swear I think those two have a hate-crush on each other sometimes.
If Tau are "out of place" then Orks definitely are. I mean seriously, the 40k universe is too dark, too gothic, too "serious" for an "anime" race like Tau, but not a joke race like Orks?
[Herp derp all sorts of stupid crap I never said thats being attributed to me]
Woah, cool your jets there.
What I said was that in my opinion, Tau don't fit the setting. My opinion can and should be different to yours, and this is a thread to voice that opinion in - thats something you'll have to just deal with.
I didn't say anything about their aesthetic or the anime aspect as being the issue. I love the look of the Riptide, one of my favourite movies is End of Evangelion, and I play the anime aesthetic Infinity far more than 40k these days. So quite simply, nothing you've said here actually applies to me, the guy your replying to - so why even quote me?
As for the rest of your rant, why the hell is it even directed at me? I dislike Necrons for legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with "tomb kings in space", I don't collect Space Marines, I never mentioned anything about things needing to be "dark" to fit into the game, and never said anything about players who take armies I personally dislike shouldn't be able to use them - all of that is, pure and simply, your own insecurities about your factions and the game and have *nothing* to do with the user your attributing them to.
Frankly everything about your post seems to embody what I dislike most about 40k. The shooty focus, the gak rules, the no movement gunline / no brains spam army lists, and everything that takes the game away from its more lighthearted, casual and narrative roots and "fantasy in space" and toward herp derp grimdark, players who think that "wargaming is srs business", and the more generic science fiction elements of the story.
If you haven't learned to accept the Greater Good yet, then by god you will.
No I won't. I don't have to play against anyones gaktides or Tau allies or anything if I don't want to. I'll play someone's Tau if it fits my requirements, same as any list, and never in any other situation. Get over it.
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To b fair, just because you have the right to an opinion doesn't mean that opinion has the right to be unopposed. Everyone has the right to have an opinion on your opinion, and to vocalize those opinions just like you vocalized yours.
I also have the right to have my opinions accurately represented. As I said above, I never mentioned tomb kings in space, I don't play space marines, and I don't believe that people who play armies I don't like should have them squatted.
Dakkamite wrote: I also have the right to have my opinions accurately represented. As I said above, I never mentioned tomb kings in space, I don't play space marines, and I don't believe that people who play armies I don't like should have them squatted.
I thought you where uber reasonable... I think some of the people here didnt read the whole thing and just assumed you said some things...
Well considering only two people have posted in here since that post, and one of them is you, I don't know how clever the "some people" line is.
Never said he wasn't reasonable. What I said, which was in reference to the multiple rather defensive statements he made about "his opinion", is that opinions aren't sacred things that people need to just "get over it" and accept. If you voice an opinion, people have the right to voice an opinion on your opinion. That's simply how it works.
Because opinions being sacred things is such a common misconception, I feel obligated to clarify it whenever it pops up. It's nothing personal.
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BlaxicanX wrote: Well considering only two people have posted in here since that post, and one of them is you, I don't know how clever the "some people" line is.
Never said he wasn't reasonable. What I said, which was in reference to the multiple rather defensive statements he made about "his opinion", is that opinions aren't sacred things that people need to just "get over it" and accept. If you voice an opinion, people have the right to voice an opinion on your opinion. That's simply how it works.
True anyways i havent read anything from dakka might that is even close to what the other guy is saying. Oh well enjoy.
Troike wrote: ....Sure, a Sister could be attractive, but the brutal fighting of 40K would likey dimish that. sooner or later....
On the upside, based on some calculations I ran a while back, just 10% KIA per annum keeps the average age in the low 20s, so most of them won't live long enough to become scarred, haggard, old, or otherwise unattractive!
Oh wait that's fething horrific.
BURN IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN BABY BURN IT DOWN
Psienesis wrote: Well, if you check out Sister Sydney's homebrew/expansion rules, you'll find all kinds of units the Sisters could have, that fit with the theme of the Sisters (as a tabletop army) perfectly well, and are damn-near-perfectly balanced.
Troike wrote: ....Sure, a Sister could be attractive, but the brutal fighting of 40K would likey dimish that. sooner or later....
On the upside, based on some calculations I ran a while back, just 10% KIA per annum keeps the average age in the low 20s, so most of them won't live long enough to become scarred, haggard, old, or otherwise unattractive!
Hell yes.
Nuns with guns and tight leather outfits is what we want.
Troike wrote: ....Sure, a Sister could be attractive, but the brutal fighting of 40K would likey dimish that. sooner or later....
On the upside, based on some calculations I ran a while back, just 10% KIA per annum keeps the average age in the low 20s, so most of them won't live long enough to become scarred, haggard, old, or otherwise unattractive!
Hell yes.
Nuns with guns and tight leather outfits is what we want.
Slaanesh approves!
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Full armies of Grey Knights and Daemons, both of which should be in some ally capability but restricted, the Knights for their rarity and the daemons for their limited access to reality.
The Daemon army annoys me for the same reason it does in fantasy, if full armies of daemons were marching across realspace, the game would already be over. They should be mobs in a far more random 'chaos army' imo.
Eh, I like chaos daemons as separate, at least I don't have to put Whiney Spikey B... I mean Chaos Space Marines in the army
It'd be better if they'd add the Lost and the Damned army back in though.
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Melissia wrote: Eh, I like chaos daemons as separate, at least I don't have to put Whiney Spikey B... I mean Chaos Space Marines in the army
It'd be better if they'd add the Lost and the Damned army back in though.
Please for the love of the dark gods bring back the Lost and the Damned! Oh my gosh just have a model that is all about mutations, customize them into freakish monstrosities and let them lose mwahahahaha....
Troike wrote: ....Sure, a Sister could be attractive, but the brutal fighting of 40K would likey dimish that. sooner or later....
On the upside, based on some calculations I ran a while back, just 10% KIA per annum keeps the average age in the low 20s, so most of them won't live long enough to become scarred, haggard, old, or otherwise unattractive!
Oh wait that's fething horrific.
I have a sneaking suspicion that all human warriors in the Guard/Sisters would be on a ridiculous amount of steroids and associated PEDs. I've pictured Sisters looking more like middleweight powerlifters.
And yeah, a KIA/WIA rate of 10% is pretty bad. Depending on the unit, IRL that can relegate it combat ineffective.
Wow. I didn't think I could possibly have less respect for spikey whiney marines. But somehow, that video has managed to make me hate the faction even more.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Melissia wrote: Wow. I didn't think I could possibly have less respect for spikey whiney marines. But somehow, that video has managed to make me hate the faction even more.
You're annoying. Also, your statements were the first time I heard about "whiney CSM". Where the hell did you get that idea from?
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Melissia wrote: Wow. I didn't think I could possibly have less respect for spikey whiney marines. But somehow, that video has managed to make me hate the faction even more.
Why? You realize that was a nonsensical, fan-made parody video, right? Because you're reacting as if it were officially published canon or something.
Dakkamite wrote: As for the rest of your rant, why the hell is it even directed at me?
It wasn't. Literally the only part of that post that was directed specifically at you was the opening part about Orks. Everything else was a general rant tacked on after that because it was something I wanted to say before I ever saw your post, which is why I go on about Necrons and other races you never really brought up. Honestly I don't know why I quoted you at all since I was more or less ranting at the thread in general and everyone in it, and could have done without that. You were just the last one I saw trying to "defend" Orks I guess and I wanted to pick on them first because in my mind they don't fit in any better than Tau do, but they get none of the hate. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
In case you couldn't tell this is a subject I take personally, probably too personally (though in my defense I've spent a lot of time and money collecting Tau so it should be no surprise I have a vested interest), and this is mainly the result of years worth of pent-up rage, and me getting bored enough one night and deciding to have a good bitch about what I perceive as an injustice instead of ignoring these threads like I usually do for the pointless bullgak they usually are. In fact for a long time I never even looked at this section of the forum because I knew what I'd probably find and wanted to save myself the trouble. I guess I just happened to see "Lamest Faction?" pop up while scrolling down and curiosity got the best of me. And none of the replies surprised me either, though I did see a lot more votes for Necrons than I expected. I guess I never realized their new fluff was that unpopular, I assumed everyone liked it because the C'tan were gone and Necrons had character, the two biggest complaints about the old fluff both dealt with.
As for wishing armies would get Squatted, that may or may not be all that common on Dakka in particular, but as it was pointed out earlier that sentiment isn't exactly uncommon in the community as a whole. I know for a fact I've seen people come out and say it directly many times, or otherwise imply that they wouldn't shed any tears should they happen to get eaten by Tyranids or the Imperium decides to finish it's abandoned crusade. And when it comes to the Squats especially you often see people defend GW's decision because "Dwarves in space were lame anyway!"
Archonate wrote: Some examples:
Unhealthy Tau firecaste babies mysteriously disappear.
Tau Firewarriors who don't perform to a certain standard mysteriously disappear.
Tau who question why some Tau mysteriously disappear will also mysteriously disappear.
A Tau trial by fire is often a Matrix-style mind game where you don't realize you're in a simulation, until you either experience your own horrifying death (at which point you wake up, utterly traumatized but having passed the test.) or you act toward self preservation and survive (at which point you wake up, having failed... and mysteriously disappear.)
Why does Aun'va want Farsight's head on a platter, despite Farsight still fighting for and being loyal to the Tau empire? Because Farsight disobeyed an order. (Even though it was for the greater good.)
Why does Farsight stay the hell away from the empire, aside from Aun'va wanting him dead? Because he figured out some of the scary-ass stuff the Ethereals are doing... And that's only because he's a genius who managed to make some frightening correlations over the course of his long life.
Tau who don't deny all sympathy for Farsight mysteriously disappear.
Pretty soon, races who reject assimilation into the Tau empire will mysteriously disappear.
It's a very "Big Brother is watching you" society... Creepy.
I also wanted to add that it seems like GW is dropping hints that Aun'Va is unnaturally extending his life span way beyond that of a normal Tau, and that other ethereals might be doing it as well since it says they're all longer-lived. But Aun'Va in particular, assuming I read the fluff right, must be very old himself since he was apparently around during the time when Farsight was in Puretide's tutelage, and he also ordered Shadowsun and O'Kais to be put into stasis indefinitely upon Puretide's death so that his vast knowledge could live on in as many forms as possible (they didn't even let him rest in peace, they took his body behind closed doors, dissected his brain and then rebuilt it into an advanced AI). If he doesn't match Farsight in age then he's still at least 100+ years old. It goes without saying that extending one's own lifespan kinda flies in the face of the concept of the Greater Good and making personal sacrifices for the benefit of the race as a whole, which Aun'Va demands of all Tau. The ethereals don't practice what they preach.
Everyone also likes to bring up the Tau's naivete and how they think they're so high-and-mighty while being so hilariously ignorant of the horrors of the universe...but in the Farsight supplement, it seems that the ethereals not only know about the horrors of the universe, but that they're purposely hiding that knowledge from the Tau and keeping the Empire in obedient ignorance. It's one of the revelations Farsight has after the incident on Arthas Moloch, which as you might have guessed, involves daemons and the Warp, and it shakes him so much that he goes into self-imposed exile over it.
There's definitely not something right about the ethereals. They're committing atrocities and war crimes left and right and no one questions them because they've got the Empire convinced it's all cold, hard logic or some other bs. It isn't until Farsight's expedition loses all of its ethereals in the battle on Arthas Moloch and the colonies continue to be prosperous despite their lack of spiritual guidance that Farsight starts looking back on the events of his life and drawing several conclusions.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote: Full armies of Grey Knights and Daemons, both of which should be in some ally capability but restricted, the Knights for their rarity and the daemons for their limited access to reality.
The Daemon army annoys me for the same reason it does in fantasy, if full armies of daemons were marching across realspace, the game would already be over. They should be mobs in a far more random 'chaos army' imo.
I agree with that somewhat.
The CSM army could bring psykers who are then able to "summon" daemons, who would then DS in as mobs of lesser daemons consisting of 5-30 daemons, and the GD could be elites choices etc.#
And as in the previous CSM codex, they could be able to not take up an FoC slot - which means that our force would be truly chaotic
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Full armies of Grey Knights and Daemons, both of which should be in some ally capability but restricted, the Knights for their rarity and the daemons for their limited access to reality.
The Daemon army annoys me for the same reason it does in fantasy, if full armies of daemons were marching across realspace, the game would already be over. They should be mobs in a far more random 'chaos army' imo.
I agree with that somewhat.
The CSM army could bring psykers who are then able to "summon" daemons, who would then DS in as mobs of lesser daemons consisting of 5-30 daemons, and the GD could be elites choices etc.#
And as in the previous CSM codex, they could be able to not take up an FoC slot - which means that our force would be truly chaotic
I'd be quite happy with them just being units on the table from the get-go, having been summoned prior to the battle.
I just remember that Daemon armies were originally created in Realm of Chaos, StD & LatD, to fight other Daemon armies, they were God specific and not to be used against regular armies because they were too damned powerful.
The whole distinction of Daemon, Marine and Renegade, along with Daemon, Warrior and Beastman in fantasy, is crazy to me, it should be a big mixing bowl of things, a howling horde of all thrown in together. Chaos shouldn't be so clearly defined and ordered...
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Melissia wrote: Wow. I didn't think I could possibly have less respect for spikey whiney marines. But somehow, that video has managed to make me hate the faction even more.
CSM is my favourite faction. They are just so best in every concievable way. From Miniwargaming's 40K Rejects series to Dawn of War II: Chaos Rising to the latest wave of models (Particularly DV Chosen and the AC model), all of it is epic.
SarisKhan wrote: Also, your statements were the first time I heard about "whiney CSM". Where the hell did you get that idea from?
The most prominent example? The Horus Heresy, wherein many of the traitor legions and their primarchs were pathetically whiney. Angron for example was mad that his father didn't let him die. WHY ME, I WANTED TO DIIIIIEEEEE!!!! Freaking emo brat. Most of the other traitor primarchs were similarly pathetic. Perhaps two or three were sympathetic, likeable characters.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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SarisKhan wrote: Also, your statements were the first time I heard about "whiney CSM". Where the hell did you get that idea from?
The most prominent example? The Horus Heresy, wherein many of the traitor legions and their primarchs were pathetically whiney. Angron for example was mad that his father didn't let him die. WHY ME, I WANTED TO DIIIIIEEEEE!!!! Freaking emo brat. Most of the other traitor primarchs were similarly pathetic.
You're not going to get me to like CSMs any more than I'm going to change the mind of a person who thinks of Orks as nothing more than stupid clowns.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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I still say that in a normal sci-fi setting, the Tau as written would be the grimdark faction that everyone fears. The bogeyman stories would make them fear what "The Tau" would do to them if they don't submit to the Greater Good and it's Utopian vision.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Yes, that's why they're the villains of Brighthammer
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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SarisKhan wrote: Also, your statements were the first time I heard about "whiney CSM". Where the hell did you get that idea from?
The most prominent example? The Horus Heresy, wherein many of the traitor legions and their primarchs were pathetically whiney. Angron for example was mad that his father didn't let him die. WHY ME, I WANTED TO DIIIIIEEEEE!!!! Freaking emo brat. Most of the other traitor primarchs were similarly pathetic. Perhaps two or three were sympathetic, likeable characters.
Angron wanted to fight and die with his gladiator friends. They were the only comrades he'd ever known in his entire life. They were the only ones who stood with him against their tyrannical overlords. They were basically family to him. Of course he'd rather not have his skin forcibly saved, only to have to watch the only friends he's ever had die. He gets vengeful as a result.
A Primarch has a somewhat realistic and understandable reaction = he's whiny.
Wow.
Just... Wow.
Imagine that Goge Vandire had been powerful enough to kill Alicia Dominica & co. Would they have been whiny if they had been upset over not being allowed to try and bring him to justice after their little revelation?
Bias is a wonderful thing.
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