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 SisterSydney wrote:
Scroll down to no. 2 for a cosplay model's explanation of just how impractical high heels are for, well, moving, let alone combat.

Well, to be fair, if you have super-strength / various powers / high pain threshold it is theoretical possible to use specially crafted high heels in combat. Who knows, perhaps powered-armored heels are actually quite comfortable?

It is still more efficient to just have boots though.

You could make the same argument for superheroines as well. But really, should you need future magic technology or superpowers just to wear your shoes???? This seems like a needlessly complex solution to a problem that could easily be solved by an ancient technology known as "not putting a heel on."

Yes, but if you can kick a hole in a tank and run and maneuver in heels as well as normal footwear, why not have heels, if only to show off? It's all part of the spectacle really.

If I had bulletproof skin and the ability to benchpress skyscrapers, I would totally run around naked with a bright red codpiece. Why? Because I can. It would be more logical to wear just a normal kevlar vest, but it hardly makes a difference, so why not?

Well, by the same logic, why don't the Space Marines wear heels?

... though maybe your explanation was the reason for Blanche's Primarch artwork.

Ha! That explains the wildly inconsistent heights given for the Primarchs in various sources!

In reality, Roboute Guilliman was 5' 4", he just went around in 60" heels.

 Lynata wrote:
Except you don't roll for headshots in the TT, and death by proximity is a thing with HE weapons. Keep the abstraction in mind.

For all intents and purposes, it is a lesser version of Feel No Pain, which Space Marines have access to as well.

For all intents and purposes, it's the direct opposite of FnP.

FnP provides additional survivability against small arms fire and lesser melee attacks.

SoF only actually has any effect when you are hit by really nasty melee weapons or big guns, both of which often cancel out FnP.

And would being hit by a Bastion-Breacher shell in the belly and have SoF deflect it be more reasonable?

Not that 40K is reasonable at all, of course. I just enjoy QQing on SoF.

I'm pretty sure the logic for high heels is to advertise the super sexy femme fatale look on women. This alone has been the objective for females in high heels since it was attractive to man in the olden days. Now in terms of would you wear them in battle? It's pretty clear it would be more of an idiotic attempt to mesmerize the enemy? That if they were human to begin with the effect on alien well that's uncertain

Actually, the modern high-heeled shoe started as a male fashion, inspired by military footgear, specifically Persian cavalry boots (the heel helps keep your boot from slipping in the stirrup). It was supposed to look muy macho.

And pink was originally a male color, and the current female fashion of "I will wear tights so tight they display each individual buttock and pretend they are pants" is very similar to male fashion in High Medieval and Renaissance Europe.

So the whole "only females wear attention-grabbing garments that emphasize their sexuality" thing is pretty recent.

 Lynata wrote:
Well, by the same logic, why don't the Space Marines wear heels?

They have big feet, so it's a pain to make them. Also, the techmarines get really pissed off if someone scratches their floors. Those heels leave a dent, you know?

Could be they don't like heels. Just as some might not like the idea of running around naked wearing a bright red codpiece of unusual size, just because they are nigh-indestructible. In fact, most would be sensible and just wear their every day clothes. I call these people boring.

I could totally imagine a slaashi marine, however, looking in the mirror and thinking to himself "damn, I bet I would look good in heels! I wonder if I can get the hereteks to make some?"

 SisterSydney wrote:
Actually, the modern high-heeled shoe started as a male fashion, inspired by military footgear, specifically Persian cavalry boots (the heel helps keep your boot from slipping in the stirrup). It was supposed to look muy macho.

And pink was originally a male color, and the current female fashion of "I will wear tights so tight they display each individual buttock and pretend they are pants" is very similar to male fashion in High Medieval and Renaissance Europe.

So the whole "only females wear attention-grabbing garments that emphasize their sexuality" thing is pretty recent.

Apart from the pink thing, I did not know that. Cool.

History is frequently weirder than fantasy....

 Lynata wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:Sibbering's work is simply atrocious and useless and massively conflicts with numerous published material on the appearance of Astartes outside of armor and the thickness of power armor. As for their height, the Black Library says hello. Astartes do indeed grow to ten feet if they're mutated or very, very old.

Games Workshop Space Marines are 7 feet on average, up to 7.5 feet in some cases. This is consistent throughout any and all Codex fluff, can be seen on this life size drawing made by Jes Goodwin (1 square = 1ft), and has been discussed in this GW Design Podcast.

Black Library Space Marines and Primarchs or Videogame Space Marines may, in some cases, exceed GW's numbers, because 40k does not have a true canon and thus allows for considerable artistic freedom in outsourced/licensed material, which should explain for all contradictions including this one. Sadly, a lot of people, including BL's freelance novel writers, just think that "bigger = better" and so attempt to one-up each other when it comes to Astartes Protagonists. In the podcast, Jes Goodwin actually jokes about them "getting bigger in each bloody book"!

Anyways, whether you prefer outsourced or licensed Space Marines to GW's own material, that would be every single fan's own decision. They should be aware that Marines who are ~10 feet high may have a problem with boarding Rhino APCs that were originally designed for ordinary human colonists, however, and may actually grow out of their own armour. Unless they'd wish to deviate from this fluff as well.

Personally, I'd say Sibbering's work seems pretty accurate, at least if you stick to Games Workshop's original material - including the thickness of Astartes power armour as described in Codex: Angels of Death and Codex: Witch Hunters.
If you just cherrypick your preferred outsourced material, of course your opinion may differ. At the end of the day, everyone just needs to be aware that no-one here can be "wrong" since all interpretations are equally valid.

Except that concerning the codices, especially of the sixth, and every single depiction of a space marine outside of armor, ever, Sibbering's work is completely invalidated, not to mention that PA is always described as being immensely thick, and even the old Rogue Trader art depicting a cross-section of power armor displayed it as being immensely thick and full of not only the armor itself, but also the systems contained in the armor. As for Goodwin, that's also completely up in the air as he fethed up his measurements and thus nobody knows his intentions with the pics. As for the extremely gigantic Astartes, all mentioning of them I've encountered has had them wearing special armor fitted for them, as there's no reason why a Chapter with the ability to forge or modify its armor cannot adjust it for the wearer.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kTGbkhCKuFM/T5yhwkQ87HI/AAAAAAAABLg/gbaE-duUkts/s1600/Kitting_Out.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hnn2ayqBb4k/UYFkdaIxyGI/AAAAAAAAr4Q/O3gY4PpUdQU/s1600/Space_Marine_Implants_chart.jpg
http://1d4chan.org/images/f/f9/Cloten.jpg
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130304022126/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Astartesorgans.jpg
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130918032527/warhammer40k/images/c/cf/Kai_Zulan_Outpost_Dead.png
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Also note that the comics that also depict Astartes outside of armor like Last Man Standing also do not depict them as being five feet thick.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130908012453/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Power_Armour_Schematic.jpg

BrotherHaraldus wrote:For all intents and purposes, it's the direct opposite of FnP.
FnP provides additional survivability against small arms fire and lesser melee attacks.
SoF only actually has any effect when you are hit by really nasty melee weapons or big guns, both of which often cancel out FnP.

My mistake! I actually forgot about the limitations of FNP - lack of experience on my part. However, I still fail to see the problem:
The normal save represents the armour protecting the target from being hit.
The invul save from Shield of Faith represents the target being hit and injured, but continuing to fight anyways.

"The perfervid, unquestioning nature of this faith is a potent weapon, manifesting as divine inspiration that drives the Adepta Sororitas to unprecedented feats of prowess. Sisters of Battle gripped with holy fervour banish fears from their minds, shrug off wounds and summon great strength to smite their foes."
- WD #380

A miniature hit by an attack that would otherwise see her killed is essentially granted a "stay of death". The Sister could still collapse at the end of the battle, mortally wounded. But she kept fighting until all was over.
We do actually have tales of such heroic behaviour - some would say "grit" or "zeal" - from our real world history.

(for what it's worth, however, I did prefer the old Shield and Acts of Faith to what we currently got)

The Sisters are not the only ones displaying this level of grit, by the way. Yarrick can get up again after being slapped down by a nuke, too.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:And would being hit by a Bastion-Breacher shell in the belly and have SoF deflect it be more reasonable?

You also don't roll for belly hits in the tabletop. You roll for miniatures being threatened by the effects of an attack.

The level of abstraction in the tabletop allows for a lot of leeway in how you want to explain the outcomes of your rolls in a narrative way. Above, you see how I deal with the Shield of Faith. Space Marines being gunned down by a single lasgun attack are another popular example - I rationalise this with the Guardsman in question not having shot once but several times, or the Marine already being wounded from previous attacks. It fits better to the fluff and GW's own d100 game, which provides a more "granular" system for analysing the power of various weapons, or the resilience of various people and creatures.

Wyzilla wrote:Except that concerning the codices, especially of the sixth, and every single depiction of a space marine outside of armor, ever, Sibbering's work is completely invalidated, not to mention that PA is always described as being immensely thick, and even the old Rogue Trader art depicting a cross-section of power armor displayed it as being immensely thick and full of not only the armor itself, but also the systems contained in the armor.

As per Codex: Angels of Death, the thickest spot on Marine PA armour plating is 1 inch, so about 2 1/2 cm. Considerably more than RL feudal platemail, but less than what I usually see Marine players argue. The thing is that this thickness would not be equal everywhere, thus allowing the suit to feature a variety of bonus systems and adapt to its owner's physiology without turning into an absolutely weird shape.

What Sibbering did is, it seems, take the profile of Space Marine power armour and then attempt to fill it with a humanoid form. His Marines are comparatively bulky because Marine PA is bulky, and whilst in some places this could simply be attributed to the suit being fatter than necessary (likely to include aforementioned gadgets), there are some places where it needs to perfectly surround the inhabitant. These places are the joints. A Space Marine needs to move their arms, and if the shoulders on the armour are that far out, then his chest must be of a certain size to accomodate this.

It is essentially a reverse-engineering of what GW did, though it's probably safe to say that GW originally designed the armour without actually considering whether it could be worn in a sensible way, which might be the real problem here.

Wyzilla wrote:As for the extremely gigantic Astartes, all mentioning of them I've encountered has had them wearing special armor fitted for them, as there's no reason why a Chapter with the ability to forge or modify its armor cannot adjust it for the wearer.

I'd say that power armour is "too arcane" to be adjusted just like that (which would require taking it apart and assembling it anew) - they would have to swap entire components, and whilst this is possible, it kind of goes against the "heirloom" theme the Marines have going on with their stuff.

Wyzilla wrote:As for Goodwin, that's also completely up in the air as he fethed up his measurements and thus nobody knows his intentions with the pics.

Spoiler:

The scale starts at 2 instead of 1. Jes actually addresses this error in the podcast, thus clarifying his intentions - if you had clicked my links, you'd know this.

As for the rest of your links - it would help, and is considered common courtesy, if you added the sources to allow others to verify whatever it is you are claiming. Fortunately, my google-fu is fairly adept, and I have read most of GW's own material on Space Marines myself.

Wyzilla wrote:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kTGbkhCKuFM/T5yhwkQ87HI/AAAAAAAABLg/gbaE-duUkts/s1600/Kitting_Out.jpg

How does this "invalidate Sibbering's work"?
More than that, it would seem to invalidatecontradict your statement regarding Marine height.

Wyzilla wrote:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hnn2ayqBb4k/UYFkdaIxyGI/AAAAAAAAr4Q/O3gY4PpUdQU/s1600/Space_Marine_Implants_chart.jpg

Fantasy Flight Games.

Wyzilla wrote:http://1d4chan.org/images/f/f9/Cloten.jpg

Black Library.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130918032527/warhammer40k/images/c/cf/Kai_Zulan_Outpost_Dead.png

Again, Black Library.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130914023154/warhammer40k/images/3/38/Neophyte_receiving_Organs.png

Note how the image link says Neophyte? This is no full Space Marine ... yet.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130304022126/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Astartesorgans.jpg

This is the only useful picture, actually. That being said, it is still somewhat problematic in that it is (a) obviously an in-universe piece with a potentially romanticised depiction, and (b) we don't actually know if it is supposed to show a Space Marine at the end of the implantation process, or a Neophyte at the start.
However, it still seems bulky enough that I personally would consider it a viable display.

I'm a bit surprised that you are argueing for "slim" Marines, by the way - most Marine fans here would do the opposite, making them even bulkier than Sibbering.

Wyzilla wrote:Also note that the comics that also depict Astartes outside of armor like Last Man Standing also do not depict them as being five feet thick.

Perhaps, but the comics are a product by the Black Library, and thus "suffer" from artistic licence.
Not that I don't enjoy the comics myself - it's just that they were written by different people, who at times may have different opinions. Exactly like with the novels.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130908012453/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Power_Armour_Schematic.jpg

A problem with this otherwise cool cutaway is that the author didn't quite consider how it would work if you put someone inside. Check out the joints and imagine putting someone inside that thing. This is an issue with most people just looking at either the armour, or the Marine, but not the combination ... the irony here being that I usually use this to argue against too bulky Marines, too, so now you're kind of coming at me with my own weapons.

Still, thanks for posting this one - I only have a rather dirty scan of it and can certainly use a "clean" version of it in my personal archives. *saves*

Oh, I agree about the whole narrative thing. It is salvageable, of course.

But I doubt it was GW's intention.

And to be fair, C:AoD is older than a large part of the playerbase. Many things from that era have been retconned or are just plain weird. My eyebrow tends to ascend higher and higher the older a source is.

And assembling armour out of many different parts is a common practice. See the relationship of MK6 and MK7 armour, where parts of both are not uncommonly worn simultaneously.

I know it's not what you meant, Hari, but I now have the mental image of a Marine wearing two breastplates.

*gigglesnort* ...

Anyways ... yes, that's what I was getting at, actually! The Marines don't mind mix-and-matching, because those individual parts mean a lot to them. It would suck if you couldn't wear that famous chestplate anymore that's been a Chapter relic ever since Captain Awesome of the 3rd Company carried it in the Battle of Epikus 3.000 years ago and which has been granted to you as a gift by the Chapter Master himself. You keep trying to put it on, but it's starting to chafe uncomfortably and your Battle-Brothers are starting to snicker behind your back at the little gaps between the plates you keep trying to patch with repair cement...

Just use Green Stuff, then.


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[horrified realization]Oh god that's why the models have so much flash and gaps and gaks, it's actually to make them MORE ACCURATE aaaaaah[/horrified realization]

TIL green stuff is an in-universe thing for Astartes suffering from gigantism.



Learning never stops!

ok slightly moving off topic but keeping with the height comparisons - we seem to of agreed somewhat the heights of the sisters of battle now what about the females in the Eldar / dark Eldar races? I know Eldar are taller than humans but are super thin but what are the heights of the women next to humans / space marines?

Eldar males and females are almost identical, physically and culturally, and I believe Eldar are usually six to seven feet tall.

Doesn't hight depend mostly on the amount of oxygen and the gravitation of the planet you come from . The higher the gravitationthe smaller and stockier the SoB . SoBs living on a low gravitation , but high oxygen planet could be realy big specialy , if they had a high on iron diet.

Really tall and potentially really fragile if they're adapted for relatively low gravity.

Most such worlds, though, if any, have a Schola Progenium. In fact, most of the Imperium's worlds inhabited by the teeming millions-to-trillions seem to be fairly Earth-standard. The environmental dangers inherent to most Hive Worlds seem to be man-made, at least in the main.

So while you could have a young girl go from one of these low-G worlds to the Schola Progenium and later become a Sister, it is likely that her formative years spent on a standard-G planet will reduce the likelihood of her being abnormally tall and skinny, at least to the point that it would be unusually so for human physiology.

Makumba wrote:
Doesn't hight depend mostly on the amount of oxygen and the gravitation of the planet you come from . The higher the gravitationthe smaller and stockier the SoB . SoBs living on a low gravitation , but high oxygen planet could be realy big specialy , if they had a high on iron diet.

I would normally agree but in these cases advanced species are modifying with genetic codes and connected are all sort of mutations which have various effects. So that plus the fact advanced races tend to never stick around too long on a planet for gravity to have a chance to effect it becomes the dominator factor that DNA mods seem to be a decisive factor with the look and feel of an advanced space race

just my thoughts

 Lynata wrote:

BrotherHaraldus wrote:For all intents and purposes, it's the direct opposite of FnP.
FnP provides additional survivability against small arms fire and lesser melee attacks.
SoF only actually has any effect when you are hit by really nasty melee weapons or big guns, both of which often cancel out FnP.

My mistake! I actually forgot about the limitations of FNP - lack of experience on my part. However, I still fail to see the problem:
The normal save represents the armour protecting the target from being hit.
The invul save from Shield of Faith represents the target being hit and injured, but continuing to fight anyways.

"The perfervid, unquestioning nature of this faith is a potent weapon, manifesting as divine inspiration that drives the Adepta Sororitas to unprecedented feats of prowess. Sisters of Battle gripped with holy fervour banish fears from their minds, shrug off wounds and summon great strength to smite their foes."
- WD #380

A miniature hit by an attack that would otherwise see her killed is essentially granted a "stay of death". The Sister could still collapse at the end of the battle, mortally wounded. But she kept fighting until all was over.
We do actually have tales of such heroic behaviour - some would say "grit" or "zeal" - from our real world history.

(for what it's worth, however, I did prefer the old Shield and Acts of Faith to what we currently got)

The Sisters are not the only ones displaying this level of grit, by the way. Yarrick can get up again after being slapped down by a nuke, too.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:And would being hit by a Bastion-Breacher shell in the belly and have SoF deflect it be more reasonable?

You also don't roll for belly hits in the tabletop. You roll for miniatures being threatened by the effects of an attack.

The level of abstraction in the tabletop allows for a lot of leeway in how you want to explain the outcomes of your rolls in a narrative way. Above, you see how I deal with the Shield of Faith. Space Marines being gunned down by a single lasgun attack are another popular example - I rationalise this with the Guardsman in question not having shot once but several times, or the Marine already being wounded from previous attacks. It fits better to the fluff and GW's own d100 game, which provides a more "granular" system for analysing the power of various weapons, or the resilience of various people and creatures.

Wyzilla wrote:Except that concerning the codices, especially of the sixth, and every single depiction of a space marine outside of armor, ever, Sibbering's work is completely invalidated, not to mention that PA is always described as being immensely thick, and even the old Rogue Trader art depicting a cross-section of power armor displayed it as being immensely thick and full of not only the armor itself, but also the systems contained in the armor.

As per Codex: Angels of Death, the thickest spot on Marine PA armour plating is 1 inch, so about 2 1/2 cm. Considerably more than RL feudal platemail, but less than what I usually see Marine players argue. The thing is that this thickness would not be equal everywhere, thus allowing the suit to feature a variety of bonus systems and adapt to its owner's physiology without turning into an absolutely weird shape.

What Sibbering did is, it seems, take the profile of Space Marine power armour and then attempt to fill it with a humanoid form. His Marines are comparatively bulky because Marine PA is bulky, and whilst in some places this could simply be attributed to the suit being fatter than necessary (likely to include aforementioned gadgets), there are some places where it needs to perfectly surround the inhabitant. These places are the joints. A Space Marine needs to move their arms, and if the shoulders on the armour are that far out, then his chest must be of a certain size to accomodate this.

It is essentially a reverse-engineering of what GW did, though it's probably safe to say that GW originally designed the armour without actually considering whether it could be worn in a sensible way, which might be the real problem here.

Wyzilla wrote:As for the extremely gigantic Astartes, all mentioning of them I've encountered has had them wearing special armor fitted for them, as there's no reason why a Chapter with the ability to forge or modify its armor cannot adjust it for the wearer.

I'd say that power armour is "too arcane" to be adjusted just like that (which would require taking it apart and assembling it anew) - they would have to swap entire components, and whilst this is possible, it kind of goes against the "heirloom" theme the Marines have going on with their stuff.

Wyzilla wrote:As for Goodwin, that's also completely up in the air as he fethed up his measurements and thus nobody knows his intentions with the pics.

Spoiler:

The scale starts at 2 instead of 1. Jes actually addresses this error in the podcast, thus clarifying his intentions - if you had clicked my links, you'd know this.

As for the rest of your links - it would help, and is considered common courtesy, if you added the sources to allow others to verify whatever it is you are claiming. Fortunately, my google-fu is fairly adept, and I have read most of GW's own material on Space Marines myself.

Wyzilla wrote:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kTGbkhCKuFM/T5yhwkQ87HI/AAAAAAAABLg/gbaE-duUkts/s1600/Kitting_Out.jpg

How does this "invalidate Sibbering's work"?
More than that, it would seem to invalidatecontradict your statement regarding Marine height.

Wyzilla wrote:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hnn2ayqBb4k/UYFkdaIxyGI/AAAAAAAAr4Q/O3gY4PpUdQU/s1600/Space_Marine_Implants_chart.jpg

Fantasy Flight Games.

Wyzilla wrote:http://1d4chan.org/images/f/f9/Cloten.jpg

Black Library.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130918032527/warhammer40k/images/c/cf/Kai_Zulan_Outpost_Dead.png

Again, Black Library.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130914023154/warhammer40k/images/3/38/Neophyte_receiving_Organs.png

Note how the image link says Neophyte? This is no full Space Marine ... yet.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130304022126/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Astartesorgans.jpg

This is the only useful picture, actually. That being said, it is still somewhat problematic in that it is (a) obviously an in-universe piece with a potentially romanticised depiction, and (b) we don't actually know if it is supposed to show a Space Marine at the end of the implantation process, or a Neophyte at the start.
However, it still seems bulky enough that I personally would consider it a viable display.

I'm a bit surprised that you are argueing for "slim" Marines, by the way - most Marine fans here would do the opposite, making them even bulkier than Sibbering.

Wyzilla wrote:Also note that the comics that also depict Astartes outside of armor like Last Man Standing also do not depict them as being five feet thick.

Perhaps, but the comics are a product by the Black Library, and thus "suffer" from artistic licence.
Not that I don't enjoy the comics myself - it's just that they were written by different people, who at times may have different opinions. Exactly like with the novels.

Wyzilla wrote:http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130908012453/warhammer40k/images/8/84/Power_Armour_Schematic.jpg

A problem with this otherwise cool cutaway is that the author didn't quite consider how it would work if you put someone inside. Check out the joints and imagine putting someone inside that thing. This is an issue with most people just looking at either the armour, or the Marine, but not the combination ... the irony here being that I usually use this to argue against too bulky Marines, too, so now you're kind of coming at me with my own weapons.

Still, thanks for posting this one - I only have a rather dirty scan of it and can certainly use a "clean" version of it in my personal archives. *saves*

1) One inch of armor simply is the armor. This doesn't cover the internal mechanics of power, or the muscle undersuit. Although the inch thickness is also bull sh*t as well, considering pauldrons are known to be at least two inches thick, if not more. As for the problem with GW's lackeys scaling and Sibbering is that they scale the horrendous space marine models, or just GW's models, which for comparison-
Is horribly [url=http://itsacoyoteworkshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/100_0243-450x280.jpg]scaled. As, if we simply bloat the size of a guardsmen, we end up with some strange-looking human with a bulbous head and oddly squat.

Although Sibbering also makes the hilarious mistake of thinking the armor is purely the armor layer, despite us knowing it's quite a bit thicker, especially coupled with how it's powered armor.

2) We know armor is specifically fitted for Astartes, and that the gigantic Astartes have armor specially made for them, as power armor can be made in the current date of 40K, even by the Chapter itself. Salamanders are the largest example.

3) The sources doesn't matter. What does matter is that GW takes it large green stamp of approval and publishes them in their own direct material and licensed material. This is a statement by the IP owner that they approve of the art and commission it actively.

4) The point isn't that they're comics. The point is that almost all fluff and material from the Black Library, licensed, produced, and commissioned by GW as owners of the IP, approve of it being published. The majority is always right, even when it's wrong.

5) What podcasts? Those links lead to 404 or the main GW site, nowhere else.

6) There's little difference between a Neophyte and an Astartes at the end of augmentation save the black carapace.

So which race has the tallest beings in the warhammer universe in general ? Females included of course

 kerikhaos wrote:
So which race has the tallest beings in the warhammer universe in general ? Females included of course

You really have to ask that question?

 kerikhaos wrote:
So which race has the tallest beings in the warhammer universe in general ? Females included of course

Tyranids. Bit of a silly question, really, when there are things like Bio-titans roaming around.

Yes but are these roamers mutated or enhanced or was their race naturally like that from the beginning

 kerikhaos wrote:
Yes but are these roamers mutated or enhanced or was their race naturally like that from the beginning

Yes to both