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 alienvalentine wrote:
Anybody else notice GW is touting that there's a Thunder Hammer included on the sprue? That isn't even an option for a Helbrute in their codex, is it?

Helbrutes can be equipped with Power Fist, Power Scourge, or Thunder Hammer.

 Nevelon wrote:
That’s one option laden kit for the helbrute. Is it missing anything?

Not that I have much to complain about as a codex marine player, but I’d love to have all my dread options in the kit. Would be cool if you heretics got everything you need.

The only thing that looks to be missing is the heavy flamer option and of course decent rules.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 alienvalentine wrote:
Anybody else notice GW is touting that there's a Thunder Hammer included on the sprue? That isn't even an option for a Helbrute in their codex, is it?

Helbrutes can be equipped with Power Fist, Power Scourge, or Thunder Hammer.

Which, incidentally, are precisely the CCW options that came with the metal kit.

Why such a big splash for a meh performing model?

I just do not understand.

New Heavy weapon group or roll it in with Chosen, something.

My first army was Chaos.

I am uncertain why I find all this less than exciting... maybe because I have all the models and wonder:

"Why U No Make New Models??" (Except for the least competitive model in the force?)

Why a completely newcomer codex gets trotted out without anything completely different from all the other "traditional" chaos was bands?

Just looked at the pre-order page... really nothing to see here.
$60 for a supplement? Really?

GW really needs to reassess their stance on cost not mattering to the customer. I look at what they have and have zero issue with saying no to the whole thing.

I am actually disturbed about how little I care about this release, I am concerned for GW and hope they can find a means to generate more excitement.

You'd think, what with the Crimson Slaughter being recent converts to Chaos that they would have retained some Drop Pods or something...

Grarg wrote:
They'll have the warp talon bits mixed in them, unless GW has hired monkeys to cut them out of the sprues.

Kirby is too busy running the company to be cutting bits off of sprue.

I probably will get codex crimson slaughter, but is the limited edition really worth it? it just seems essentially the standard with a funky cover and a bit of ribbon!!

this supplement is good news for anyone who plays Beasts Of Annihilation though

I'm hoping the rules are a bit more complex than FoC swapping and new Warlord Traits.

New options for Units in Codex CSM or at least options they didn't have access to before.

 Chaos Emperor wrote:
This supplement is good news for anyone who plays Beasts Of Annihilation though

Very true.

I wonder if the supplement will alter the rules for the helbrute to make it more desirable.

What is Beasts of Annihilation?

 dreadnova wrote:
What is Beasts of Annihilation?

A renegade Chaos chapter that uses mass possession and thus an unusually large number of possessed.

I've been playing Chaos Marines since before they had a 3rd Edition Codex and sadly, this release barely interests me. I have Iron Warriors, Death Guard and a touch of Word Bearers from my Lost and the Damned army that GW took away from me. I have Deamons and renegade Guard as well.

I love the fluff of 40k in general and Chaos specifically but nothing about this release interests me. Heck, I haven't even played a game of 40k this edition. Forget these new Renegades, give me the Legions and the Long War.

I guess I'll have to stay with my Cryx army to get my bad guy fix.

 kronk wrote:

he Terror Begins

The Crimson Slaughter seek to wash away their sins in a tide of blood. This collection allows you to join them now in the Long War to bring down the Imperium they once willingly served.

This collection includes: 1 copy of Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Supplement and 1 Helbrute.

The Helbrute is a plastic kit that is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Thin Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.

$103.50 USD

Same price as buying separate. Why the hell haven't they figured out that even tossing a $5 discount on a bundle like this would actually move more product.

/same argument made with EVERy release...

From what I've been able to weasel out of GW reps, they cannot offer a "discount" on the bundle since it's not a single item bundled as one. It's just the two actual items being sold together.

That said, the "Chaos Space Marine Attack Force" is $255.75 USD worth of items for $205.

It goes to show that when it comes to an actual "bundle", where they have a box for the item they are starting to discount things.

Are there new Crimson Slaughter transfers in these boxes?

Their Icon is actually pretty nice as far as Chaos Warbands go.

Supposedly, in the white dwarf, theyr is a box saying: next week im alpharius. wonder what it means. Might be a hidden announcement for a cultist box, since in codex 3.5, alpha legion was the only legion who could take them

I find it rather fun that they go to such great lengths to pretend that the Legions are shattered and non-existent in 40k, and then release 5 of the 6 Helbrute pictures in Legion colours and iconography.

It's a decent enough model but I much prefer the armoured juggernaut look of the Forge World Chaos Dreadnoughts to the fleshy madness of these ones, particularly when applied to the Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors. I hope that the rumoured Havocs and Cultists are in the pipeline as well.

That said, the gesture is largely redundant unless the Codex introduces some pretty hefty buffs to Possessed and Helbrutes because as it stands, it's just about the worst foundations to an army.

 Medium of Death wrote:
You'd think, what with the Crimson Slaughter being recent converts to Chaos that they would have retained some Drop Pods or something...

Seriously! I can understand grav weapons, some land raider variants, and centurions, but everything else should be available!

But I do understand that this has been said before I. This thread


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Mozzamanx wrote:
I find it rather fun that they go to such great lengths to pretend that the Legions are shattered and non-existent in 40k, and then release 5 of the 6 Helbrute pictures in Legion colours and iconography.

It's a decent enough model but I much prefer the armoured juggernaut look of the Forge World Chaos Dreadnoughts to the fleshy madness of these ones, particularly when applied to the Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors. I hope that the rumoured Havocs and Cultists are in the pipeline as well.

That said, the gesture is largely redundant unless the Codex introduces some pretty hefty buffs to Possessed and Helbrutes because as it stands, it's just about the worst foundations to an army.

Aaaaaaaagreed!

As you can see Kranon is a Special IC with 3 named artifacts, wonder if they are only for him or if you can get them for other Lords?...

Now i admit that we all went ballistic with this book and faction, its true its not what we waited and wanted , but now that its here might as well check the Fluff if its any interesting, and maybe outside the Possesed as troops thing, the Artifacts or any other additional rules, make it interesting to take as Allies.

Doesn't hurt to wait and see whats in store, don't have many options anyway.

I'm hoping it's vague enough to allow for a more Warped representation of Chaos Marines.

It's a shame we've still got the same old kits to work with though.

Hoping for chosen next week.

Grarg wrote:
Only the helbrute has that option

Hellbrutes maintain the closes ties to the imperium, visiting yearly Dreadnought conventions and participating in "iron veteran"-days, therefore they have access to stuff that rest of chaos forces can't afford anymore, such as hammers and plasma cannons.

 Nicorex wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That’s one option laden kit for the helbrute. Is it missing anything?

Not that I have much to complain about as a codex marine player, but I’d love to have all my dread options in the kit. Would be cool if you heretics got everything you need.

The only thing that looks to be missing is the heavy flamer option and of course decent rules.

From the GW site:

The power fists can be upgraded to include a combi-bolter or a heavy flamer and you can choose to power your Helbrutes’ weapons with pipes or blood tanks.

Decent rules still missing though.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yeah, that is one of the dickiest move GW can do. They also did that with squat, chaos dwarves, dogs of war/mercenaries, kroot mercenary, the lost and the damned, genestealer cults, and maybe a few other.

That's why I pre-empted them and started armies that don't even have rules (Deathwatch, AdMech). Can't take away what you never had to begin with!

Wrecker wrote:

 alienvalentine wrote:
Anybody else notice GW is touting that there's a Thunder Hammer included on the sprue? That isn't even an option for a Helbrute in their codex, is it?

Funny that it is for the Hell brute, but not for the troops... One would suggest it would be for both as well, not to mention that some how they retained power weapons and no thunder..

Chaos Dreadnoughts, as massive war machines from the galaxy's past, were some of the only places that the huge power resources that the plasma cannon and thunder hammer could be housed, protected and yet remain mobile enough to be used in combat. Through the millennia, plasma technology was improved and reduced to a level that the cannon could be carried by a power armoured marine, and the same with thunder hammer technology. In fact, for a long time only tactical dreadnought armour was considered suitable for the thunder hammer, but technology must have made some further progress.

 bubber wrote:
Also, as mentioned ages ago, no god-specific add-ons & no Slaanesh weapon options like the FW sonic blaster (link) or blastmaster (link)

Shame :(

Are either of those things in the Chaos Space Marine Codex?

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

Wrecker wrote:

 alienvalentine wrote:
Anybody else notice GW is touting that there's a Thunder Hammer included on the sprue? That isn't even an option for a Helbrute in their codex, is it?

Funny that it is for the Hell brute, but not for the troops... One would suggest it would be for both as well, not to mention that some how they retained power weapons and no thunder..

Chaos Dreadnoughts, as massive war machines from the galaxy's past, were some of the only places that the huge power resources that the plasma cannon and thunder hammer could be housed, protected and yet remain mobile enough to be used in combat. Through the millennia, plasma technology was improved and reduced to a level that the cannon could be carried by a power armoured marine, and the same with thunder hammer technology. In fact, for a long time only tactical dreadnought armour was considered suitable for the thunder hammer, but technology must have made some further progress.

The havoc launcher was also something only dreads (or bigger) could take...and now it can't take it...heck even the defiler can take one and it can't even use it!!!

Wrecker wrote:
Funny that it is for the Hell brute, but not for the troops... One would suggest it would be for both as well, not to mention that some how they retained power weapons and no thunder..

It's a call back to 2nd Ed.

In 2nd Ed Chaos Marines were actually of a lower tech-level than Loyalist Marines. Their plasma weapons overheated (the origin of the Gets Hot! rule in 3rd Ed), they didn't have access to Jump Packs or Power Sword (unless they paid 150% the cost), and Thunder Hammers were exceptionally rare, only available on Chaos Dreads.

 Kanluwen wrote:
From what I've been able to weasel out of GW reps, they cannot offer a "discount" on the bundle since it's not a single item bundled as one. It's just the two actual items being sold together.

Oh that is total bull gak. They set the prices, right? All they have to do is set it $5 lower than the total separate cost. You really believe they don't have the ability to do that?

Hbmc you know 2.5 + 2.5 is a real hard calculation when you tryto give total discount on 2 items

Ok, so the pricing for this Chaos stuff is actually *highly* amusing to me.

So, for the Knight release, Australia got a fairly decent price; they didn't get screwed with an enormous markup, meanwhile, us in Soviet Canuckistan got a huge markup to the point where I know the FLGS's which do US pricing have sold out, and the sole GW still has most of theirs, as does any store which doesn't price match.

So, Chaos stuff comes along, what happens? The usual Aussie tax kicks back in, hard. $78 helbrute (and 54 US is a bit much for such a points-light and mediocre unit), $300 bundle, whereas back here in Canada, we're almost at a reasonable exchange rate, not quite, but the you don't live in 'murcia tax is slightly more restrained, and less, as a percentage, than the Knight was.

I find this both amusing, and proof that GW has no rational method of regionalizing prices. At least books are consistently 20% more, regardless of exchange rate, shipping, etc, they're jackasses, but consistent jackasses! GW, well, they're GW.

You can download the Preview on BL site.

You get like usual a few pages of fluff, 2 pictures, 1 illustration and 2 "dioramas" but this time, something never seen before, you get One Altar of War mission.

The Mission is pretty classic, 3 objectives on the table, CS player deploys and plays first and all the secondary objectives, but..., there is something intersting, Spectrale Hurricane.

This Spectrale Hurricane makes you put a marker in the center of the table, at the begining of each of the CS player you roll 2D6, and the CS player can move the marker this much in any direction, each ennemy units in 12" of the Hurricane takes 2D6 S3 AP- hits.

Now its not Awesome or ultimate, buts its kinda funny.