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 gorgon wrote:
Felicia and ELEKTRA are a solid enough analogy to Sharon and Natasha.

I think we already figured out where the problem with that was, and even though it is funnier as Electro, I don't really find it all that apt even when talking of the right characters.

 gorgon wrote:
Taking your line of thinking to an extreme

I don't think you understand my line of reasoning, or you wouldn't make such as asinine statement as you did. I talked about a balance of fidelity to the source while being a separate entity. What you described would not begin to fit that description.

 gorgon wrote:
So yes, in fact personally I *can't* separate the movie and source material

As long as you recognize that that is your problem, and not an actual problem with the MCU.

 gorgon wrote:
I feel it's an important point in the source material that should be reflected in a Cap film. *shrug*

Except the movies do reflect the source material, they just aren't exact translations of it. Just because you put a lot of focus on that relationship doesn't mean the idea of Captain America relies solely on it when being brought to the big screen, or any other medium for that matter. If you want an exact version just go reread the comic again.

This conflation of ones own idea of a character with all ideas of the character remind me of an article about communities that hate their own members. Comics are the first listed, and mainly because comic fans become so invested in their own personal connections to characters and stories they have trouble when others have a different view of those characters.

I don't think anyone is necessarily disagreeing with you. I think the point people are saying is just simply, it's ok for it not to happen yet.

Well, apparrently there is some source material that have Cap & Widow getting together long enough to evidently have a child together, though how this works with Black Widow evidently being infertile, I dont know.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, apparrently there is some source material that have Cap & Widow getting together long enough to evidently have a child together, though how this works with Black Widow evidently being infertile, I dont know.

not only is he a super solider but hes also got super little soldiers?

Yeah I don't see Widow taking the role of Sharon Carter at all. There's no romantic entanglement with Widow and Cap. They're friendly co-workers (at best), and she needles him about being a 'fossil', and he makes self-deprecating jokes about how old he is. The movie shows how that develops into a friendship and a greater bond of trust, and that’s not a bad thing and it’s not just because “OMG! ScarJo is so hot right now” Hollywood bull gak either.

Carter was wasted in this film, but like Rumlow her presence was there to set future stories up. That doesn’t absolve the film for misusing her (it didn’t misuse Rumlow), but it does mean that we can expect to see her show up again (Emily Van Camp stars on another Disney-owned production, so she’s ‘part of the family’, so I wouldn’t expect her to go far – we’ll see her again).

 pretre wrote:
Just catching up on this thread. Saw the very end of the latest agents of shield but missed the rest.

Spoiler:

H.B.M.C. totally called it, guess they did have the balls if I understood the end correctly. Will rewatch tonight.

I called it, yes, but I don't think it'll stick. I still think the show will pussy out and have him turn good again, either due to triple-agent shenanigans or, worse, some sort of ultra-lame "power of love" plotline where he's so torn over loyalties and Skye that he comes back.

I disagree w/ H.B.M.C. re: Widow/Cap, nothing in Hollywood is accidental, the reason we are having this discussion at all is because it was presented in the film in an ambiguous enough manner to imply the possibility.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen - there are certainly plotlines in various continuities where the two of them get together. What I disagree with is the idea that Widow replaced Sharon Carter in Sharon Carter's role.

OH, yes, I see what you're getting at. Yes, thats a much more specific role than simply being his 'lover'.

 Ahtman wrote:
Except the movies do reflect the source material, they just aren't exact translations of it. Just because you put a lot of focus on that relationship doesn't mean the idea of Captain America relies solely on it when being brought to the big screen, or any other medium for that matter. If you want an exact version just go reread the comic again.

This conflation of ones own idea of a character with all ideas of the character remind me of an article about communities that hate their own members. Comics are the first listed, and mainly because comic fans become so invested in their own personal connections to characters and stories they have trouble when others have a different view of those characters.

Um...what?

Ahtman, you've once again made a mountain out of a molehill because you're in the mood for a forum tussle.

My point's been made and I stand by my opinion. Everyone else seems to understand it, even if they disagree. It really doesn't bother me if you think it invalid based on your own personal measure of "fidelity".



So I was thinking about what happens after this first batch of actors quits. Maybe it's as easy as Marvel looking to the comics? It might already be part of the plan.

After Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man left the Avengers in the comics, the next waves of new Avengers included Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Vision, among others. Aren't those three characters already cast for Avengers 2? And if they generally follow the Brubaker storyline in Cap 3, they'd have a new Cap to lead the team.

Black Panther was also a member around that time period in the comics, and they've been flirting with a BP movie for years, so that's also a possibility for a new Avenger and/or new solo franchise. Wasp could be in the Ant-Man film, making her another possibility for future Avengers installments.

If Guardians of the Galaxy is a success, Marvel might not need Iron Man, Thor, original Cap, etc. They'll probably feel very confident about dipping deeper into their catalog. But it's hard to imagine it all working without RDJ. I still think he deserves about half a billion dollars from Marvel for his role in helping build the whole franchise.

 gorgon wrote:
Ahtman, you've once again made a mountain out of a molehill because you're in the mood for a forum tussle.

Such a thing would never happen!

Which one was Sharon anyways?

The blonde one.

Well that was an awesome movie. But one question -

Did you see the episode that's set during/directly after The Winter Soldier?

Nope. I've missed the last few.

 -Loki- wrote:
Nope. I've missed the last few.

Well, go watch those before you ask about it.

Yeah. The last episode was set during/right after The Winter Soldier. The episode before that is set directly before The Winter Soldier. The episodes before them are the episodes leading up to that, where tons of gak happens (and the show starts being good).

Meanwhile, those in the UK just got the 'Lady Sif' episode last night.

Winter Soldier will be out on DVD by the time we end up reaching the relevant parts, I think!

Stupid channel 4.

 Compel wrote:
Meanwhile, those in the UK just got the 'Lady Sif' episode last night.

Winter Soldier will be out on DVD by the time we end up reaching the relevant parts, I think!

Stupid channel 4.

Heh. Australia hasn't even had the one before the Sif episode yet.

I just realized why Thor would have left the staff on Earth, though not necessarily a good idea. Spoilers ahed from other Marvel films, so be warned.

At the end of Dark World they take the Aether to The Collector becuase 'it is to dangerous to have two infinity gems in one place". On Asgaard they already have the Tesseract (Space) so they don't want the Aether there as well. The gem in Loki's scepter is the Mind gem, so Thor left it on Earth with his friends at SHIELD aka HYDRA so that they wouldn't have that as well. If he had taken it at the end of Dark World they would have had three of the five gems on Asgaard, and that is probably not a good idea.

So far we have Infinity Gem of:
Mind ~ Loki's Staff
Space ~ Tesseract
Power ~ Aether

Introducing Dr. Strange allows them to introduce the Soul Gem in some form, I think. Didn't Adam Warlock have it? Been awhile since I read Infinity Gauntlet.

Apparently James Gunn (director of Guardians of the Galaxy) recently stated that it would tie into Avengers 3.

Yeah, and that they're doing MoCap for Thanos, meaning he's in it and moving around. Who knows if he'll speak, but still.

Having read the prequel comic for Guardians of the Galaxy, it looks like that orb Starlord is caught stealing at the beginning of the trailer is going to be our next Infinity Gem. No idea what any of them are so no idea which it would be.

 AduroT wrote:
Having read the prequel comic for Guardians of the Galaxy, it looks like that orb Starlord is caught stealing at the beginning of the trailer is going to be our next Infinity Gem. No idea what any of them are so no idea which it would be.

Is that the one with Nebula? I got the impression that that was a separate relic, not the one in the trailer.

For one thing the tomb was, you know, flying, which it wasn't in the trailer.

I thought the tomb thing was flyng in the trailer?


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But yes, the nebula comic.

I went and looked up the gems as it has been some time since I read the Infinity Gauntlet story and it turns out there are six gems, not five.

Mind
Soul
Power
Space
Reality
Time

 AduroT wrote:
I thought the tomb thing was flyng in the trailer?


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But yes, the nebula comic.

I certainly didn't get that impression, it seemed like it was solidly built into the ground, which is why Korath was able to Pursue him to the sphere. It might have been slight artistic licence, but the stone that the tombs were made from seemed to be different as well; the comic rock was much brighter, almost marble white, whereas the rock in the trailer was dark grey approaching black.

Liked the movie actually cared about Captain America this time around, two questions though why does the Winter Soldier have communist iconography on his metal arm (the red star) when he is an American who was experimented on by Nazis and what was the significance of the scene

when Captain America and Black Widow were in Falcon's house and he was showing them the papers?

 Cheesecat wrote:
Liked the movie actually cared about Captain America this time around, two questions though why does the Winter Soldier have communist iconography on his metal arm (the red star) when he is an American who was experimented on by Nazis and what was the significance of the scene

when Captain America and Black Widow were in Falcon's house and he was showing them the papers?

CA thought Falcon was a pilot, when he was using an experimental flight device, the papers where of him using it.

And they tried to keep Winter Soldier accurate in appearance to the comics. The star on the metal arm is kind of his "thing". I'm glad they kept it, even if in the movie it was Nazis. In the comics, the Russians got ahold of him.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
And they tried to keep Winter Soldier accurate in appearance to the comics. The star on the metal arm is kind of his "thing". I'm glad they kept it, even if in the movie it was Nazis. In the comics, the Russians got ahold of him.

Thanks for the quick responses timetowaste and hotsauceman.