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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 12:50:44
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 is LIVE! & FUNDED!!!) ALL PLEDGES MAP page #29...
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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Replacing rather than adding kits is a very good idea!
I also think doing a single army is a good idea. I was watching for orcs but they weren't going to get something until after 60k I think, so probably best to just focus on shieldmaidens. It worked really well for Raging Heroes!
Hope you try again and take some of this onboard to tailor the offerings. In your update you mention the dragon being asked about, which makes sense, too. Having the base pledges just be awesome plastic (maybe a few resin characters) with other beasts from your webstore as add-ons would make it simple and obvious value - I didn't realize the "Army II" option that had this was something you could choose with a standard pledge until looking at the page several times.
But overall, I think it did well... some simplification and marketing could help, but if you launched again next week just for shieldmaidens, I think you'd do great!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 13:11:10
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 is LIVE! & FUNDED!!!) ALL PLEDGES MAP page #29...
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Well hopefully this helps them get some more attention to their next campaign. Showing that they are listening will help too. Maybe some tweaks to the hair on the shield maidens, or a separate sprue for alternate heads will help things along further.
Maybe the next time around I'll have the cash to join in.
Also I think a Resin Monster pledge could help out. I don't need more orcs  (yeah right), but I could use a mammoth  and a Wyvern. The Dragon is not my cup of tea either, so either make the big ugly an add-on, or give it a separate pledge level where you make money off of it and then people can add-on the plastic infantry.
so pledges could be set up as
Big bucket of plastics (all new plastics with best overall value, no add-ons at this level) easy man-power saving for them as this pledge is x boxes of kit 1, x boxes of kit 2 done +shipping (like dungeon saga core box A
A-la-carte plastics (Selection of new kits at a great price, but add-ons are a little bit more than the above) helps them get funding, but also caters to the crowd that wants a specific army goal and affords them the extra labor costs of pulling a special order.
Resin Beasties (Just big models for people who missed the first Kickstarter) value at better than their website costs, but still not as good as the first KS so those backers have something to brag about. No add-ons  , this would allow for easy to pull orders, and would just allow for getting some more value out of previous kits. (Could ship quicker and free up warehouse space, also gives them something to do while waiting for kits to get manufactured.
If people want the first and third option (or any two options) then they need to have two different pledges.
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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 13:29:03
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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Well, that's disappointing. I feel like they had high expectations that were unlikely to be met. Pity, I was looking forward the models eventually.
I'm of the same mind as the others. Have it set up so that you can run a campaign for the one army, Sheild Maidens. Essentially work to fund 3 Kits. Personally I think they should be Standard (which includes 2 hws, hw & shield, spear & shield), Heavy (Heavy armor, 2 Handed Weapon, Hand Weapon, Sheild), and Skirmish (Light armor, various ranged weapons).
Once that one is completed and tooling is underway then you can do the Orcs separately. I was actually interested in the Valley Orcs because I like orcs in heavier armor vs. the GW leather armor or the mountain naked/savage orc style.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 13:59:06
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Well that was anti climactic.... I shan't say more then that....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 14:05:46
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I did think the KS looked a bit overambitious.
Personally I'm leery of KS's that has too many options and stretchgoals. It tend to lead to problems and vastly delayed deliveries.
I'd reccomend running a simple campaign to fund the basic plastic regiment. Have the goal be what you actually need in order to produce it and have addons ready for if you do exeed that.
It's tempting to run a KS with artificially low goals to get people to flock to the campaign and unlock stretch goals but then you're not using it as a funding platform but as a advertising system. Such tactics are best left to bigger companies like CMON who don't actually need the KS money to get the product out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 14:22:01
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I want more clarity on the plastic kits themselves the next time. I blind backed this, but every csmpaign boils down to people wanting pics next to rulers, scale bitching, etc. Best to nip this in the bud and offer it right from the beginning. A campaign about a plastic kit should state possible amount of different sprues, parts per sprue, options, etc. The existing Orc sprues should've been shown as exapmles and proof and advertisement. My KS comment was longer' but I think more people would've backed if the $ per mini was advertised more aggressively, the kit(s) described more detailed and more and more useful pictures shown.
And, possibly, one of the multiple maiden kits should maybe be full of bikini armour, as sad as this sounds. Maybe the Warmaidens, explain it away with magic demon- warding scars and tattoos and stuff, make $$$ of people into that stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 14:36:19
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Yeah, I'm getting the impression that they were expecting much more than is/was realistic. The stuff about competitors and knife to a gunfight is a bit silly. SW isn't in competition with Mantic, and Mantic certainly isn't in competition with SW! Without being rude, I doubt that SW is even on Mantic's radar, and I can't think of any other "competitors" really in the same space. Mierce? Different Ballgame. CMON? Even more different. Mantic took a fair few years to get to the point where they are now, and really, they took a fair few years to get to the point where they were with their first KS. KoW has a solid following at this point in time, and their last KS was before AoS killed WHFB with a solid enough following and more than a few campaigns under their belts.
Even so, with a successful game in 1.5 edition and a dedicated following for both the game and their company - In Mantic's second KoW KS, they they only took in $366k before the pledge manager and funded a total of what? four HIPS kits? Abyssals, Succubi, Lizardmen, Naiads. Many of the resins and metals were already sculpted/in progress and were pretty much part of their normal business. To have funded in three(?) days and have taken in more than 10% of Mantic's KoW2 total in a week is actually pretty good. If you were expecting $150 or $200k, I'd suggest those to be unrealistic goals. $60k would have been pretty good for funding two kits (or 1.5 kits) and anything more would have been amazing.
While I was happy enough to back with only the base-level pledge on offer and would have been quite satisfied to get to 60k, the stretch goals weren't especially helpful. To be blunt, no-one really cares about a bits box - especially one that's 10 months away when they can and do buy similar from the local hardware store for a couple of dollars, and they care even less for a PDF with art and background (as a "stretch goal" anyway..) Lowering the $60k reward to one bonus box instead of two, but offering it to everyone and perhaps offering a single sprue per $5k or $7.5k to every backer in the interim would have been more attractive to people who are just there for the figures - which frankly is going to be most of the backers and pretty much all of the backers coming on board after the initial surge. I can absolutely see how Orc backers who were hoping for more would have felt put out when the SM backers were potentially getting so much more for essentially the same financial commitment. A $30k or $27.5k gap between (meaningful) stretch goals for a campaign from a company the size of Shieldwolf may as well just say "that's it for the stretch goals, guys." They need to be both achievable and meaningful in order to build and maintain momentum. They were achievable but not meaningful, and the ones that were known about may have served to alienate up to half of your backers - and potential backers (the Orcs).
To elaborate on the PDF not being meaningful as a stretch goal - At this point people have no investment in the game that may or may not come out at some unspecified time in the future. Dreamforge is supposed to have a game. Their KS ended in 2012 and finished delivering a year or more ago. Mierce who have been pretty successful in their many KS campaigns was supposed to have a game out a year or two ago by now. Tre Manor from Red Box has been talking about his game for the past 3-4 years. Basically, until it comes out, anyone's game is tarred with the same brush. Big fans/supporters will care, but no-one else will. The people who will care almost all backed on Day 1, so it's not something that's going to draw in additional backers.
To revisit Mantic again, they got their $355k by offering up pretty much everything in their back catalogue, which has a lot more depth than SW does.
10 different mega-starter armies
10 different starter armies
7 different army boosters
It took all this to fund the book ($25k) and four kits. They only funded four HIPS kits from $355k + PM monies.
Shieldwolf has one army/one HIPS kit in the existing catalogue really - Orcs. Two if we count(ed) the Shieldmaidens. You had one HIPS kit funded pretty safely and were well on target for a second.
There's also a bit of a problem setting the goal for $30k and then cancelling it a week in having achieved $40k, or 33% over. I imagine that a few bridges have just been burned there and certainly impacts on trust in terms of the next campaign. It kind of makes the initial pledge target as well as everything we saw into worse than "fake stretch goals" but "fake targets" instead. Was the actual target $80k? $100? $150? $200? Whatever it was, backers will now have uncertainty about whether a future funding target is a real one, and others will have enough of a bad taste on their mouth to skip it entirely.
I don't know how much the banner ad art helped or didn't, but I personally found it to be sub-par. It looks like late-80's-early '90's RPG art, and I feel like I could probably do something better. I'm a decent painter and I can draw pretty well too, but I absolutely shouldn't ever feel like I can do better than the art that a professional company puts front and centre in 2015. The art should make me feel like a kindergartener.. there's a ton of great artists on Deviantart. I assume that more was expected from the advertising on Beasts of War as well, but that's out of all of our hands. Perhaps sending them an Orc or Mammoth kits (or both) or even 3-d printing them some prototypes or 3-ups of the Shieldmaidens to play with would get "media" like that more engaged with the product to talk about the Kickstarter instead of leaving it as a footnote of "Kickstarters starting this weekend".
Anyway this is a bit rambling. I'd PM it, but I think the open discussion here is probably more useful as people can agree or disagree with my various points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 14:59:07
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Azazelx wrote:To be blunt, no-one really cares about a bits box - especially one that's 10 months away when they can and do buy similar from the local hardware store for a couple of dollars, and they care even less for a PDF with art and background (as a "stretch goal" anyway..)
I was an EB backer and pretty much this. I also found the page layout terrible. When I give up trying to find what the stretch goals are and resort to posting asking about them, the page needs work. Ive backed a lot of KS projects.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 15:42:36
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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There's also a bit of a problem setting the goal for $30k and then cancelling it a week in having achieved $40k, or 33% over. I imagine that a few bridges have just been burned there and certainly impacts on trust in terms of the next campaign. It kind of makes the initial pledge target as well as everything we saw into worse than "fake stretch goals" but "fake targets" instead. Was the actual target $80k? $100? $150? $200? Whatever it was, backers will now have uncertainty about whether a future funding target is a real one, and others will have enough of a bad taste on their mouth to skip it entirely.
So much this. Cancelling after funding because you didn't explode like some of the banner miniature Kickstarters (that, incidentally, had way more breadth than yours) seems super disingenuous. I'm curious what your true goal was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 15:48:44
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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Binabik15 wrote:I want more clarity on the plastic kits themselves the next time. I blind backed this, but every csmpaign boils down to people wanting pics next to rulers, scale bitching, etc. Best to nip this in the bud and offer it right from the beginning. A campaign about a plastic kit should state possible amount of different sprues, parts per sprue, options, etc. The existing Orc sprues should've been shown as exapmles and proof and advertisement. My KS comment was longer' but I think more people would've backed if the $ per mini was advertised more aggressively, the kit(s) described more detailed and more and more useful pictures shown
This. I only went in for the cheapest $9 pledge, with the view to upping to one of the larger pledges once they gave us a bit more info/pics of the sprues/kits.
But, i also agree with what other people have said about them cancelling a Kickstarter that had met its funding goal, and even exceeded it by a third.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 16:18:42
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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skarsol wrote:There's also a bit of a problem setting the goal for $30k and then cancelling it a week in having achieved $40k, or 33% over. I imagine that a few bridges have just been burned there and certainly impacts on trust in terms of the next campaign. It kind of makes the initial pledge target as well as everything we saw into worse than "fake stretch goals" but "fake targets" instead. Was the actual target $80k? $100? $150? $200? Whatever it was, backers will now have uncertainty about whether a future funding target is a real one, and others will have enough of a bad taste on their mouth to skip it entirely.
So much this. Cancelling after funding because you didn't explode like some of the banner miniature Kickstarters (that, incidentally, had way more breadth than yours) seems super disingenuous. I'm curious what your true goal was.
Yeah, canceling after funding is just odd, and is a bit of a bummer. I was excited at having just backed the KS and grabbed the last open EB, now, eh, I don't know if I'll back it again, will it just get cancelled again or what? Might check in the last few days to see if it's definitely not cancelled again and then pledge.
If they reboot quickly, they'll keep a lot of their previous backers, but it is a ticking clock kinda thing.
Shieldmaidens only, aim for $30k - $60k - $90k with 3 plastic infantry kits and see where it goes.
TBH, the original campaign was still gaining a solid $1-2k per day when it got cancelled, it was on track to have reached the $60k goal before the final few days, at which point the boost at the end could have easily got them to $90-$100k.
No idea what the expectations were but if it was canceled because it was clear it wasn't going to get $250k+ then that's really not so good.
Miniatures Kickstarters don't do as well as board games, fantasy doesn't do as well as sci-fi, mass-batlles doesn't do as well as skirmish. New companies don't do as well as established ones. All things considered, $ 40k after a few days of the KS was actually a huge achievement for shieldwolf, their first KS only got $30k total, no idea how getting a third more than that in a quarter of the time counts as a failure.
The only conclusion is that they ran the maths and realized they couldn't deliver the KS without putting the company into debt. Not quite sure what the point was about them losing money on the mammoth at $50, but if that's a problem, then surely the solution is to raise the price to $80-$100 (still a really good price for a gigantic mini?).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 16:23:49
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Dankhold Troggoth
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I think it's necessary for a campaign like this to have tiered goals:
1. Base goal, the basic product can be made. The creator may need to chip in a bit, but it's at least their minimum target for successfully delivering the product.
2. Stretch goal, expanding the offerings a bit but still the same amount of manpower / company resources allocated to get the job done.
3. Over the top funding, a plan needs to be in place to expand manpower / company resources to get the extra work done.
I feel like #1 was already met and #2 (a second plastic kit by the end of the campaign) was likely, and this should have been enough to continue.
After you think it over, I hope you'll try again and if the campaign does similarly, view it as a success! Who gets to make hard plastic sprues like that, without having to take a huge gamble with a loan or wait years to save up for it? I think it'd be awesome and I hope you guys do it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:00:16
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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RiTides wrote:I think it's necessary for a campaign like this to have tiered goals:
1. Base goal, the basic product can be made. The creator may need to chip in a bit, but it's at least their minimum target for successfully delivering the product.
2. Stretch goal, expanding the offerings a bit but still the same amount of manpower / company resources allocated to get the job done.
3. Over the top funding, a plan needs to be in place to expand manpower / company resources to get the extra work done.
I feel like #1 was already met and #2 (a second plastic kit by the end of the campaign) was likely, and this should have been enough to continue.
After you think it over, I hope you'll try again and if the campaign does similarly, view it as a success! Who gets to make hard plastic sprues like that, without having to take a huge gamble with a loan or wait years to save up for it? I think it'd be awesome and I hope you guys do it
Oh what do you know about running a successful Kickstarter that arrives on time  (Next time schedule your spawning out of the kickstarter cycle  ).
Just kidding, You ran a tight KS, well thought out, no fake stretch goals and production was almost ready at the get go, not still in 3d render phase. It's nice to have tangible things to show the client ahead of time.
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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:04:52
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Disappointed to hear about this. I'm surprised as well but mostly just disappointed. I really believe that if they'd stuck with it things would have picked up.
Good luck to 'em anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:06:34
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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I'm pretty bummed.
I was looking forward to getting these.
Heck, even my daughter was coming around to the idea of having a bunch of warrior women to fight her father's reptilian hordes.
I'll be keeping an eye on Dakka to find out how things are going to progress.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:16:47
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Bummed this ended. I was looking for at least 100$ of pledge, and poking local folks to jump in as well. I think lots of the advice given here is good, making it just about maidens and not orcs, actually setting your funding goal at the "good enough" level, and clarifying what you get when.
Hopefully when this relaunches that will be taken into account and this will work out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:17:09
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Azazelx wrote:There's also a bit of a problem setting the goal for $30k and then cancelling it a week in having achieved $ 40k, or 33% over. I imagine that a few bridges have just been burned there and certainly impacts on trust in terms of the next campaign. It kind of makes the initial pledge target as well as everything we saw into worse than "fake stretch goals" but "fake targets" instead. Was the actual target $80k? $100? $150? $200? Whatever it was, backers will now have uncertainty about whether a future funding target is a real one, and others will have enough of a bad taste on their mouth to skip it entirely.
I find it a bit amusing when people talk about "fake stretch goals" for a such small project like this when we've seen projects like Zomibicide put up stretch goals for 200,000 USD to produce a single plastic miniature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:21:09
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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200k for a single model isn't actually nuts. Remember that model is going to every backer (assuming it is free and not an add on). People have to touch that model to put it in boxes, count that there is the right amount, etc. A lot of Kickstarters become victims of their success because they underestimate the costs of new freebies etc., thinking the 100th model will cost as much as the first 10 to get running.
Besides, it isn't as though the company isn't trying to make money off the KS. No one is interested in giving out stuff at cost, they need a paycheck too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:34:45
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Theophony - Good points  . On that note, Shieldwolf's first campaign (which I backed and loved the mini I got!) was both successful and on time! They reference it in that update like it was a big letdown, but I thought it was a great first campaign, and they were obviously already building on it - this one was double the total of the first, with a lot of time left.
I really hope they decide to relaunch for the shieldmaidens, it just seems very worthwhile to have them made, and they could work on other things in the interim (I could even break my personal rule and back another campaign of theirs before the first delivered, as long as it was obvious the first was progressing well with tooling).
Hoping for the best here once they get their heads together and decide how they want to proceed!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:49:05
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I'm sure it was a letdown in that it didn't produce like Reaper Bones did.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 18:50:50
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I hope they have tiers geared more towards plastics only. I got the add on pledge and a box of shieldmaidens because I really didn't want to pay slightly more for a bunch of resin minis I'll never use. A $50 pledge for two boxes of shieldmaidens, with maybe a stretch goal of a war maiden sprue if the project really takes off, would have been ideal in my eyes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 20:13:03
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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First of all: Hello! (Created the account for my two cents):
Shieldwolf has presented this project with great value from the start. With their first KS they have shown their abiltity not only to create great products, but keeping timelines, having very good communication and last, not least, beeing faithful to concepts. What could a backer wanting more, I don`t know, but after backing several Mantic KS that was exactly what I wanted.
But altough beeing successful, SW cancelled the project for not beeing successful enough. That just means they took a huge hidden risk and started this project beeing overoptimistic. As Azazelx has already outlined, the assumtion they might end near the result of the KoW2 KS is ... just wow! Reducing KoW2 KS to the 2 new armies (4 HIPS), with some add-ons, would also reduce the final result not in a minor way (my guess: only one third of final amount was pledged for the new armies). Given the fact that Mantic was by the time of KoW2 KS an established company (in the sense of networking, product line...) already, for SW every result between 50-60K would have been a great result. But aiming at more ...
So where to go from here for SW?
Frankly, I hope SW reconsiders the use of the KS-platform for the moment.
They might achieve a slightly better result next time, but honestly I think the now cancelled KS was already very good, and a slightly better result might not be what SW has in mind. They believe in their products, and rightly so. So why not change the plan. Work on the product line, do promo, let the word of mouth spread, then maybe 2 years later do a - limited - KS. Or, as another possibility, why not cooperate with the competion? Why not speak with warlord games or mantic games? SW may have abilities or products they lack...
In one way or another, I hope the great concepts SW has shown for the shieldmaidens become reality
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 23:16:39
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Swamp Troll
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Well.. huh..
If they expected this to be like Bones KS then they're missing the variety. There's also not an immediate demand that I'm aware of for an all female fantasy army outside of their own fledgling system.. Granted they could easily be Chaos Marauders or whatever.. but a little market research would've gone a long way. Instead we got months of hints and promises on how awesome it would be that at times felt brazen considering how many times we've seen KS prove that nothing is certain.
I think SW has fantastic potential. I like that they are doing their own thing. While they expected more $$ from backers, I suspect that many of us expected more from them as far as what we were going to see.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/19 23:45:56
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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grefven wrote: Azazelx wrote:There's also a bit of a problem setting the goal for $30k and then cancelling it a week in having achieved $ 40k, or 33% over. I imagine that a few bridges have just been burned there and certainly impacts on trust in terms of the next campaign. It kind of makes the initial pledge target as well as everything we saw into worse than "fake stretch goals" but "fake targets" instead. Was the actual target $80k? $100? $150? $200? Whatever it was, backers will now have uncertainty about whether a future funding target is a real one, and others will have enough of a bad taste on their mouth to skip it entirely.
I find it a bit amusing when people talk about "fake stretch goals" for a such small project like this when we've seen projects like Zomibicide put up stretch goals for 200,000 USD to produce a single plastic miniature.
Try reading what I actually wrote instead of what you think I might have written. If $ 40k of a $30k target wasn't enough to continue with the project, then clearly the $30k was a "fake target". We do get those in lots of other campaigns as an already-funded project is more likely to attract additional backers, but those tend to be much larger projects started by much larger, and more well-established "Kickstarter Companies" who have a much larger built-in following. I assume these are the ones that SW feel they're in direct competition with (Mantic, CMoN, Mierce, etc).
Further, Zombicide and what CMON do with fake stretch goals for an alternative sculpt doesn't have anything to do with feedback for Shieldwolf, either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 04:34:38
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Yeah, pledged for this but mostly on whotta deal impulse. Don't really need ''realistic'' (boring ) female warriors as others have noted. And more orcs.
Some over the top curvy chainmail bikini army would be nice tho!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 08:02:04
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Impassive Inquisitorial Interrogator
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scarletsquig wrote:TBH, the original campaign was still gaining a solid $1-2k per day when it got cancelled, it was on track to have reached the $60k goal before the final few days, at which point the boost at the end could have easily got them to $90-$100k.
Worth noting though that one the last day they actually dropped nearly a grand - the mid-campaign 'deadzone' most KSs face has become a free-fall instead for a lot of projects... I think they could see that coming and realised it was all going to fall apart. I don't think $60K was possible at all, TBH.
RiTides wrote:... Shieldwolf's first campaign (which I backed and loved the mini I got!) was both successful and on time! They reference it in that update like it was a big letdown, but I thought it was a great first campaign, and they were obviously already building on it - this one was double the total of the first, with a lot of time left.
I can understand why they thought it was a letdown - $20k sounds like a good sum; but Kicktraq tells a different story. They had over $30K, and lost ten grand as people backed out. That must have been a nightmare for them, and they obviously felt they couldn't face it again.
So I get why they cancelled... but I do agree, it was the wrong thing to do. It needed another week just to see for sure which way things were headed. I reckon they let their emotions get the better of them; but to be fair, that's very easy when you are running a KS!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 09:41:19
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Very difficult and sad situation - I have not lost anything at all apart from a bit of time on kickstarter and talking about it. It must be really difficult to try and do these things -I only back them so no idea how much work it is - I assume a lot.
I pledged for the campaign army and all the related add ons and then was really waiting for new stuff to come up so I can spend the money on it I had a couple of hundred ready to go. I will also welcome free minis - but was not really bothered - I was getting more than enough and was interested in buying the other variants of the Shieldmaidens.
I was also more than happy to pledge based on the basic mock ups but I could see that some people might ask what exactly would the finished products look like and it was a little vague.
I hope they are able to move forward and produce the models so I can buy them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 11:22:00
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I agree with most comments, feels like they backed out too early. almost all campaigns have a mid-campaign-slump. But they probably had waaay higher expectations. Which were probably kond of unrealistic for a new company.
Still I feel that the product seems very good and the demand for more female sci-fi and fantasy minis is definatley there (see raging heroes and so on).
Next time!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 15:10:06
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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I messaged them both on the KS and on Facebook, they will be back next week after their time off..They are "cooling their heads" so I imagine emotions were running abit high recently, which Like Lovejoy said is perfectly understandable.
I am sure they will explain all when they return and I really do hope that the re-launch will be a huge success as the guys deserve it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/20 15:10:27
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - Official News thread (KS-2 has been cancelled)
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Has anyone heard from anyone at Shieldwolf recently?
I know they must be a in bad place but good to know what they are thinking and anyway to help them out
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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